I see

good differentiation:

"Starting today, join us at Sahara Poker room for $5 time rake in $2/$5 games. $200-$800 buy in. Chip up at any time to match the biggest stack on the table (up to $2000).
#SAHARALasVegas"

Yes, that is from the manager. You cut out the weird part tho:





If you won 1 hand an hour like the example he gives, then you are better off paying regular rake vs time rake. Also if you win 1 hand per hour like he says, then how are you paying rake out of every pot? lol

Also they had a chance to get 2/5 going on Friday with 13 on the list and they never opened a table.

Rec players prefer rake over time because they don't see it. The players that know time is better aren't the ones you want populating the game, although in Vegas that might be moot.

The location will keep the tourists from going. Not being on Bravo will hurt also. I will be out in May for a few weeks playing before my 6 week fun ramping up and into WSOP so I will swing in to see the place at least. But like southpoint and westgate I have no desire to play off strip.

Man the manager is really bad at math and common sense.

Let's be clear, this is not limited to the poker industry.

In my experience, there are managers that don't qualify, but they seem to be the exception.

The $5/hh time charge sounds great, but are they doing a promo drop on top of it? It's annoying when they have time charge but still need to take a promo drop, which really removes a lot of the convenience factor favoring time charge. (I've experienced this at Borgata, which has used a $5/hh time charge for 2/5 NL since they opened, but added a promo drop on top of it more recently.)

Also, I'm generally very much in favor of time charges, but really dislike time pots, so hopefully the don't move in this direction. I really hate mandatory time pots, and refuse to play in games that enforce them.

I believe I saw him say on twitter that no promo for that and they would do bomb pots if wanted and run it twice, etc.

What do you mean time pots?
A certain size pot has to pay everyone's time for the half hour?

The way I've usually seen time pots run is that each of the first two qualifying pots after a dealer change is a "time pot". Each time pot pays half the total time charge. So if time is $5 and there are 8 players at the table, $20 is taken out of each time pot. Sometimes a pot "qualifies" if it exceeds a certain threshold (e.g. $100), sometimes a pot qualifies whenever a flop is seen.

Usually, players can opt of time pots and just pay their own time (which is almost always what I do). If a player opts out of a time pot and they win a qualifying pot, the money is returned and the next pot becomes a time pot instead, until time is paid in full. It can get quite complicated with a mix of players opting in and out. But I've also seen games where you can't opt out.

Time pots are silly when there are much more efficient ways of determining a loser pays time. I like the number of the card on the next flop closest to the door card correlated to the players seat number pays time for the table.

Anyone sitting out will have time taken from their stack and won't be part of the time pot, obv.

This way the dealer sits in the box and starts dealing the next hand while saying hi to the table.

Also, it's +EV to look like you're willing to gamble it up and not be a nit when it's literally zero sum and not really gambling at all.

Time pots as Nick describes are terrible and I don't blame him for bowing out. I'll do it if that's what the table wants but only after I suggest a change.

I like making the first hand of a down a bomb pot where the winner pays time. I will also accept sticking in $100 each and running it out with no betting.

I don't understand how any of this is easier than just collecting time from each player. Especially since there is usually at least one absent stack that needs individual time taken off anyway. It's all a solution in search of a non-existent problem.

Ugh... so much drama already for a new room.

It's not harder unless you are a moron.

I would expect more 'drama' from a New room than an established room. They are looking to make the games favorable to keeping players around.

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That might even out over time if you play at the same game several times a week, every week. How many 2/5 games in Vegas meet that description? Damn few. Especially if tourists are involved.

To me it's just as dumb as betting on red/black flops, etc. It wouldn't be zero sum until you've gone through hundreds of trials, and one trial is 9 hours of play.

So far the only natural game they have is 1/3nl, any other game had to have a host bring people in, 4/8 mix, 1/2plo, 20/40OE.

So who will the 2/5nl host be? lol

You're absolutely right. We need to put time collection on the blockchain and do a coin offering for SHTT - Sahara Time Token.

Mike Matusow or some other poker boom relic would be cool. May as well shoot for that old school vegas feel.

so is the new sahara room only drawing locals...and not many at that? given the location of the room - wide open area right next to the pits - seems like a good spot to draw some tourists if the games would look friendly.

no poker room on the strip offers a low-level limit hold'em game (i.e $2/4 or $4/8), idk may try opening a couple of those tables on the weekends and just see if u can get some bodies in the room for the time being?

Bally's and Flamingo have 3/6 limit HE daily.

And from what I have seen its 99% locals. But I only went twice in the very beginning when it was drawing all the locals attention.

But I have been watching the live game data on atlas and its been pretty slow, most times only having 1 game of 1/3NL total for the room. Right now they don't even have that, but the 4/8 mix is going.

Bally's regs all playing for the free buffet.

Even if they only win 2 pots per hour, that is $16 they are paying for that buffet.
Unless they are playing the weekly free roll and cashing in it to get that money back.

I use the term "free" loosely.

Bellagio doesn't have 4/8 any more? I know it dried up at the Wynn.

Bally's only has 3/6 on their freeroll weeks, which are every other week. It's tough to make the freeroll hours because the game doesn't get going until late afternoon, and once everyone has their hours the game doesn't run.

Flamingo's game runs more frequently.