So then by July we are all good? Everyone that wants their vaccine will have one and they won’t force it upon everyone else? No vaccine passports? No masks? Nothing like that. You know, I just don’t feel like that will be the case.

For the life of me I can’t understand why we have to wear a mask if you are fully vaccinated other than for optics? Biden and Fauci are both fully vaccinated and parade around in two masks.

I have no idea how you're making the (il)logical leap from, "doses will be manufactured by May" to "By July we are all good", and the rest of the things you write.

What Biden said, if I understood it correctly, is by the end of May, we'll have enough doses for everyone. Getting them administered is a different issue, but if people are diligent about getting their doses, by July we might be able to have a "more normal" Independence Day.

Hedging his bets, while trying to encourage people to go get their vaccine when they can is what I understood.

I don't recall anything ever being said about vaccine passports. I expect masks to continue for some time; not sure if any forecast has been given around that.

On a side note, I'm kind of hoping that people here take up more like Asian cultures have for a long time. If you're going to be in a crowded public place and have a cold, wear a mask to try to slow spreading your germs.

I’m asking why people still have to wear masks if they are fully vaccinated? How is that an illogical question?

Sept 1th 2022.

Give the 50 to homeless man at gasstation.

Because the supposedly the science hasn't determined that vaccinate people can't carry the virus and infect the unvaccinated.

However even if that's true, when we get to the point 70% have take then virus and the other 30% refuse to take there's no reason the vaccinated should be forced to protect the people who refuse to take the vaccine. Let 'em die.

Hopefully there will be some common sense by the time we get that point in late spring. Keeping the mask restriction will prevent the LV tourist economy from recovering.

@cdjim....

20% do not require hospilization
Morbidity is not close to 1%
Even if both of the above were true, full hospitals would not mean every person who could not get in would die

There are multiple reasons. A key one is the mutations, or Covid variants you hear about. The current vaccines were developed based on the original strain of Covid, and are considered to be very effective against it. It is not yet known how effective they are against the three main variants (UK, South Africa, and Brazil variants), and all of these variants are known to be circulating in the United States.

It’s going to take a very long time for 70% of the US population to be vaccinated, because ~20% of the population are children who are not even eligible yet. Israel has now pretty clearly achieved herd immunity with about 55% vaccinated, so I think this is a more realistic short term goal.

Go on then, provide the figures that you believe to be accurate then, are you including asymptomatic cases or just looking at a specific state or country? - worldwide case hospitalisation rates are close to 20% and case fatality rate is close to 2 %.

It doesn't really matter, the point remains that many more people require healthcare than die from Covid, and if that healthcare is not available then many times more people will die as a result. You can argue with the figures if you want, but the point is that if healthcare is unavailable then many more people, who would have otherwise survived, will die and they are not just in the 'vulnerable' groups as hospitalizations are more evenly demographically distributed than deaths have been.

The primary purpose of the general public wearing facemasks has been to protect other people from you, rather than protect you from other people.

Being vaccinated means that you have some level of protection from catching Covid or suffering severely from it, however it remains unknown whether vaccination prevents you from spreading the virus, should you catch it and be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. Therefore people who are vaccinated still have to wear masks to protect other people from them, if you don't care about anyone other than yourself then you are probably a sociopath.

All the Phil Laak types will be wearing masks throughout the WSOP whether they fear the virus or not.

I meant of adults. The vast majority of kids don't even get sick from it. So they'll mostly build up their own immunity to it before they have a vaccine for them. Either way Nevada needs to fully open up once everyone willing to get vaccinated does so.

And that is the really good point.

We're never going to get near 70% simply because people will refuse to get it. Heck 50% of adults dont get a flu shot every year. Combine some % of that group with a large % of the "head in the sand/this doesnt exist" political BS and IMO we'll be lucky to get to 60% or so.

I've been to Vegas three times in the last 12 months and it took about 2 minutes to get used to wearing a mask. I loved wearing one around smokers too, just made it that much easier.

Personally I feel bad for people who wont go to LV just bc they refuse to wear one, its still an awesome time regardless.

Yep, plus more space at the tables and I. The casino.

Trooper look-alike ?

fyp

It's worth considering that just because restrictions are no longer mandatory, whether or not Casino/Hotels may choose to require them voluntarily to placate a certain customer base.

There is a group of people who will not come to Vegas if precautions are removed (generally older, more vulnerable, more cautious and potentially richer) and there is a group who will not come to Vegas unless precautions are removed (generally younger, less vulnerable, more reckless and potentially less affluent). Which group is more valuable to the Casino? Because they are the group that are likely to dictate the Casino stance on precautionary measures.

This is true. I would guess that with the night clubs and day clubs becoming such a huge part of their overall revenue that they would cater towards the younger crowd and not the video poker, free Buffett seeking, seniors.

You want to cater to younger crowds for sure, but I think they learned fairly quickly after reopening over the summer that they did not want the crowd that had 0 problems with traveling during a pandemic. From what I recall there were a lot of issues when they first opened up.

CDC has announced that vaccinated people can't carry the virus and infect others
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-...ovid-19-2021-3

"In other words, getting vaccinated with two shots of Pfizer or Moderna's vaccines, and then allowing those vaccines two full weeks to take effect, quite nearly zeroed out all detectable infections — whether they were asymptomatic or not.

The CDC concluded, based on those results, that Pfizer and Moderna's COVID-19 vaccines are roughly 90% effective at preventing COVID-19 infections in the real world, even the asymptomatic kind."

Nice to read, got second shot about a week ago. Still wearing a mask....

Probably wrong threat but isn't it time we questioned whether this is about a virus with a 99.99% survival rate.

I assume you're just trolling with a fresh account, because if the survival rate were actually 99.99% we'd have fewer than 6000 Covid deaths in the US.

it is close to that survival rate for an under 50 that is not obese and does not have sky high blood pressure.

from that point onwards it goes higher as you add age + health issues -

the median age of covid fatalities is around 80 -

This did not age well....

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/r...not-pass-covid