I imagine due to the amount of people and close proximity. Vegas doesn't want to be the next Typhoid Mary...

In case you guys didn't see it. Yesterday the Gov said he plans to open to 100% capacity on June 1st. But mask mandate will remain for undetermined amount of time.

There are set rules for large gatherings, conventions, etc.

That's not what he said. He's still leaving it up to the counties. He just says he's expecting it in most counties. Gatherings and conventions on the strip will be up to Clark county. Masks and plexiglass will still be up to the gaming commission. Haven't heard from either of them.

He said mask mandate is statewide, and counties cannot override. Yes he did say gaming controls the casinos.

Coming out in early June. If there is a poker room that says no plexiglass for players who are fully vaccinated they will get my business.

The dividers a) kill any social vibe at all; b) lead to disagreements about what the action is; c) slow everything down.

There's no way to prove you're vaccinated those cards can be forged.

Can you see stack sizes in tournaments?

Can't believe you guys have vaccine cards like it's the 80s

Somewhat but not perfectly. Sitting in 3 or 6 seats it is often hard to see across through multiple dividers. And in my experience in one where the plexiglass is in place players often struggle to know what the bet is.

P1 "shglwer zounsand"

P2 "How much is it?

P1 says nothing

P2 to dealer "How much did he bet?"

Dealer: "What?"

P2 loudly "How much?"

P1 loudly "Seventy five thousand"

And some iteration of that over and over and over. And inevitably "I though he said x" "Dealer i heard him say "y" "Floor!!!"

Your disbelief strains credulity, you "don't" live in the same reality us guys do ?

(Who had vaccine cards in the 80s ?)

Spot on. Dividers are annoying enough to make poker "not fun", leading to a severe drop off in my recreational play.

(It is more the loss of interaction and eavesdropping that bothers me. In low level cash games, where there are only a couple of chip denominations in play, and players seem to use stacks of 20, the chips problem does not seem as severe.)

Fwiw, in the early days of the pandemic, the Golden Nugget ran 6 or 5 handed games games with masks, wthout dividers. It was WAY better for play than with dividers.

No idea of the public health efficacy however. That seems one for the wise men of Chelm*, but the experience will seem 100% better than with dividers.

(* Now, also take the cow out of your "small" house. Much better, nu ?)

Me!

I still have the yellow immunization book from childhood. It's old enough that my name is in my mother's handwriting on the cover, so I assume it used to be handed out back in the old days when a kid got their first shots.

A little less wide than a passport, maybe a little taller, it has a record from all my shots as a kid, plus notes for immunizations I'd gotten for travel as an adult (when I remembered to bring it). Some loose cards for other immunizations like the COVID-19 card.

I've still got mine, and that **** is from the 70's.

Probably time for a booster or two. DTP, anyone?

It would lose mine. That said, if you'd be happy to play in such a venue, one would assume you've been vaccinated. If so, why would you care if someone who hadn't had it sits down at the same table?

Because vaccines aren't 100% effective, and the chance of a fully vaccinated person contracting Covid increases with the amount of virus particles they're exposed to. Vaccinated individuals aren't going to be shedding many virus particles even if they do get infected, while the unvaccinated people continue to shed tons of them.

Agree with this ^ but the meaning of the original comment was "I don't want to play with plexiglass, even if it means a vaccine requirement."

The context of joansing's posts doesn't suggest they are primarily concerned with all players being vaccinated - but that they would prefer to play in games without plexiglass.

You may have missed my condition: that everyone at the table be fully vaccinated.

That way, i do not have to worry about the current theory that a person who has been vaccinated might still have some small chance of spreading it to someone who is not. If everyone at my table has had the vaccination, even if it is possible to transmit to someone who has not, the issue is now irrelevant.

No. I am saying that if you can have a table where every person has been vaccinated, there is no need for plexiglass at that table. Would you not agree?

I would, yes. And I would love it if the vaccine wasn't a controversial subject for some. Sorry for misstating your position. I was really trying to push back on sixfour's comment about how if you're vaccinated, you shouldn't care if others aren't. Even if that were true, it doesn't resolve the plexiglass issue.

I agree we should be concerned about those not getting vaccinated. But I don't think we should keep plexiglass because of them. Vaccinated people will need to know they are 95% protected not 100%, that's about a 2 outer, and take the risk if they want.

I'm not sure how effective the plexiglass is anyways. Covid spreads air born and it doesn't stick to the plexiglass like it does to a mask. I'm fine with keeping the masks.

95% efficacy is much better than a two outer. It means the vaccinated person is twenty times less likely to catch it than a non vaccinated person. So if the unvaccinated has a 10% chance than the vaccinated has a 0.5% chan

Which doesn't sound too bad if you discount the fact that without vaccination or mitigation your chances of catching Covid are significantly higher than 10% when spending an extended period of time, in close contact, indoors with no/poor ventilation with someone who is infected.

Can you cite your source for this claim? I have actually heard much lower numbers than 10%. But it really depends on the specific circumstances. And none of this mentions the severity protection the vaccines also provide. The chance of severe case or death is even lower.

Btw my 10% was not a claim that the chances are 10%. I have heard lower and higher. It was just a number that made tha math easy. The reality is that if we can get reasonable penetration of the vaccines into the population, particularly among the more vulnerable, we can move past this and head back toward more normal. Covid very unlikely to disappear but also unlikely to be a major scourge in ten years or even five. The risk of severe cases or death among the vaccinated are very low in most all cases now. Should remain so unless a specific breakthrough mutation occurs. That is a risk but not only with covid but all viral diseases. Also while transmissibilypty will be selected toward the more successful variants so will the less lethal or severe mutations. That is that overtime a virus tends to spread easier but also be less deadly. IN GENERAL.

The breakthrough infection rates that have been observed so far actually suggest that the true efficacy rate of the vaccines is actually signficantly higher than 95% once fully vaccinated; probably closer to 99% or even 99.5%. Once you are fully vaccinated, the chance of catching the virus becomes so small that it truly isn’t worth going out of your way to guard against.

The mask requirement mostly just gives people a false sense of security. It's definitely not a big deterrent to the spread, at least it hasn't been in the way I've seen the mask requirements implemented.

If people don't want to be vaccinated that's their choice (their health). The chances that someone even gets the disease, much less suffers terribly from the disease after being vaccinated are minute. If people still don't feel safe after being vaccinated they should stay at home.

Here in TX everyone has had ample time to get multiple doses of the vaccine. The idea that I should be forced to wear a mask now, whether I'm vaccinated or not, is ridiculous. At this point, it's pretty much akin to requiring people to wear a mask to prevent the spread of the flu (which while not as deadly as covid-19, kills a ton of people in the US each year despite a large % of the population getting vaccinated).

False sense of security? Throw out a guess of how many people’s (USA) lives have been saved by masks alone. Hint: its not zero.


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