If only there were a way that you could go to a location and find out if you had Covid...

Actually, you're out of date. The CDC just announced that reinfections of both vaccinated and unvaccinated people by the Delta variant are sharply on the rise.

But this "discussion" was never about that--it was about you justifying your actions. And I've already said, rock on. You'll never know who you've infected. Party like it's 2019!

People aren't going to get themselves tested every single day. And I REALLY doubt that anyone's going to interrupt their Vegas vacation and say, "Hmmm, last couple days, I was among several thousand people, just about all of whom weren't wearing masks, I'd better go get tested again."

Rather, they're going to prance around and say, "I'm vaccinated, so I can't possibly be reinfected or infect anyone else! No worries!"

Given the sharply rising case numbers there, it's a bad idea to be in Vegas right now. But everybody is DYING to lose their money after an agonizing year-plus of having to keep it in their bank accounts.

Drunk droolers at crap tables were endemic well before the pandemic, part of the traditional Las Vegas experience.

But pre-pandemic, all they could do was nauseate you, not kill you.

I agree with the prior poster that Vegas casinos should require proof of vaccination before allowing entry. That proof could be recorded for future reference and perhaps linked to the patron's player's card, so he wouldn't have to present proof on subsequent entry.

Of course, that would diminished the casinos' bottom line, a paramount and even holy consideration in Nevada.

Honestly even it was just in check in or at the airport it would be a huge help. I was just in Hawaii, and their system was pretty good, I felt 100% safe at the resort and around town knowing all the tourists were either vaccinated or had a negative COVID test within a couple days of traveling.

Hawaii and it’s citizens acknowledge that they rely on tourism and stepped up to make it happen. I think Vegas might be a little out of touch by not fully appreciating how important having a plan for keeping the tourism industry alive and healthy for the long term.


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I don't think it's fair to compare Hawaii to LV. Hawaii doesn't have $39 flights and $79 hotel rooms, so they don't have to deal with the same hordes of YOLO trash descending on them every weekend.

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Absolutely agree, and wouldn’t expect Vegas to be that good, but they could at least try


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Hawaii seems to have an advantage of being an island/series of islands. Like New Zealand, which handled the pandemic brilliantly, they can easily control everyone coming in and out of the state. I bet a significant majority of tourists or anyone for that matter enters the state via an airport. I guess some boats come too but they can also be controlled at the ports.

Las Vegas/Nevada on the other hand, much like all the other US states (minus Alaska), can be driven into a bunch of different ways and there are no real borders or checkpoints between the different US states. So even if all international visitors or even domestic visitors flying into Las Vegas were screened somehow, there would still be a high percentage of tourists coming in by car that would get past the checkpoints/screeners.

I mean it's better than nothing but it creates a very easy loophole to circumvent. Plus, I believe that the Hawaiian government is more Democratic/liberal so they tend to take covid-19 more seriously than Nevada's more split but still pretty Republican state and local government. Even the Democratic Nevada politicians are very pro business and individual rights over other things due to Nevada's culture and history. Nevada is no Florida by any means but the laws are very pro guns, individualism, and big business.

All true, I still think doing it at hotel check in would be the most effective and least invasive. Also vaccine/negative test should be fine IMO. Obviously you can circumvent it, but most people will be at some hotel and at least knowing the elevator ride to my room is relatively safe would be a big relief. Also, Nevada should be focused on protecting its citizens and industry, I think forcing this on tourists protects them and also doesn’t really impact their “freedom” to be unvaccinated or whatever.

Honestly this is all wishful and self centered bargaining, I am heading up in a couple weeks, not too worried vaccinated/healthy, but I’d love to just degen VP for 4 days and not worry about COVID. I had to cancel a trip early last year so if this one gets compromised I’m going to be so pissed.


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I think checking people’s vaccine cards when you were already checking their IDs would work fine. Obviously the hotel check-in is once place. But you could also check it when someone wins a hand-pay. If people start hearing stories of players being denied a jackpot because they weren’t vaccinated, this might be convincing.

While a hotel check-in system would catch all the tourists staying at a hotel, it would do nothing to catch the locals or people coming for the day and not staying at a hotel.

I hate the idea of denying a jackpot to people who aren't vaccinated.

Does anyone have firsthand information as to how things are at Vegas casinos currently?

Yeah, not paying a fairly won jackpot would expose the casino to civil litigation and could easily affect its reputation. That wouldn't work, if only because right-wing media outlets would have a field day with it. The only newspaper in Vegas (worth mentioning) is a far-right propaganda rag, and would devour this one like red meat. So, unfortunately, no.

What do you mean by "how things are"? In general, or specifically re covid safety measures? The answer to the former is "insane crowds, the price of everything jacked WAY up, high limits and terrible games, and awful customer service." The answer to the latter is "We've decided to act as if there's no such thing, so come on in and spread it around."

If someone has been banned from the casino, plays there anyway, and wins a jackpot, was this a “fairly won jackpot”? Would the casinos be subject to liability if they refused to pay it?

How about if a minor plays and wins a jackpot?

If there is a blanket ban on unvaccinated people playing in the casino, I don’t see how this would be any different.

Being "banned," or barred, is a specific action targeted at one individual. Blanket rules are something else. An unvaccinated player could claim ignorance or that he is vaccinated but didn't bring proof with him.

If a minor plays and wins a jackpot, he's breaking the law, so it would be much easier to withhold payment. In a couple of past incidents, a minor did win a huge jackpot and the casino (I think the latest one was Caesars) in fact wanted to pay him, but was told by state authorities that they couldn't.

Also, if someone's barred, in returning, they are breaking a civil contract (in the agreement that they must make) as well as committing criminal trespass. It would be very easy to withhold payment in that case. Having been told personally "don't ever play here again" is much stronger than a general warning "if you don't X, then don't play here."

I’m proposing that a law be passed prohibiting unvaccinated players from playing in casinos. A lot of people say they would favor such a law, but don’t know how it would be enforced without massive inconvenience. Voiding jackpots won by such players could be an effective way of enforcement.

I was wondering how the public is acting given the rising levels of infection.

As a vaccinated person, I do not like that.

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The public is buying the casinos' message that Covid is a thing of the past. Also, most of the vaccinated think--incorrectly--that they are immune and can't infect others. So, it's "party like it's 2019" and masks and social distancing are bygone practices.

I agree that not paying jackpots might be an effective incentive/deterrent, but the odds of that happening are less than zero; don't forget that the casinos are the government in Nevada (which has a lot to do with Vegas' premature reopening BTW).

I was under the impression that vaccinated people realized that even if infected the rate of hospitalization was greatly reduced. I also thought that the entire reason that covid was so bad was because of hospital resources.

But I'm told that I should be worried about infecting the airport/driver/casino worker's kid instead of those actual people worried about their own family.

Making generalizations about how people think/feel/act doesn't seem right, but I guess you do you.

never will happen unless the state govt mandates. and with the lobbyists this will be tough.

this nonsense with eligible people who refuse the vaccinations is very similar to the push for seat belt mandates in the 70s and will likely end up the same way, eventually. just wish there wasnt a need to pull teeth with pliers on this one.

There's quite the statist circle jerk going on in here

The reality is the the risk is essentially zero if a) you are vaccinated or b) you are not elderly and in bad health. Those of you thinking you're going to get to get your little statist dream are going to be disapointed. Just get vaccinated if you want and that's the end of it.

Well, Disney just canceled an in-person presentation at a Las Vegas convention.

I'm not sure if employees didn't want to provide vaccination status or they were embarrassed by their recent movies.

Reality:

The risk to YOU is minimal, but considerably greater than zero, if you're vaccinated. However, the risk to OTHERS who are unvaccinated is still substantial. It's not all about YOU (I realize this is an alien concept to many folks).

The above asinine comment typifies the prevailing and baffling effort to bring politics into the discussion. First it was showing solidarity with the Dear Orange Leader. Now, it's resisting the sinister pull of "statism" and (I'm sure) SOOOOOOCIALISM.

So yeah, dude, we're all commies. That's why we want Las Vegas to pay better attention to the new dangers posed by the Delta variant. Because we're all statist socialist commies.