magnets man. its the gosh darn magnets.

I'm not worried about the unjabbed. But right now people can't get cancer surgery because of the ujabbed.

https://apnews.com/article/health-pu...deccaffeabea0c

Jesus, this is such a lazy (yet, all too frequent) response. I sometimes wonder if people pushing this stance even mean it.

It is a WE vs ME argument. Obviously anyone pushing that narrative only cares about themselves and not society as a whole. The mentality is, hospitals overrun and people getting turned away? Well, its not me, so **** em. That is until it is them and then they beg for treatment and lament the fact that they didn't get vaxxed due to listening to the wrong people and being ill informed.

Because it works even better when more people around you are vaccinated.

The protected need protection from the unprotected idiots who keep getting the covid and letting it mutate, so at some point it might become resilient to the vaccine and at that point we're all just effed.

Active case up; daily cases down means either the masks made cases last longer or daily caeses went up but have now declined. I suspect the latter so why did daily cases go up after mask mandate?

Studies reported by the CDC have shown mask efficacies between 10% and 50%. The cloth masks that are popular had the lowest efficacy. At 10%, they are nearly useless

No one “keeps getting” covid. People who have contracted covid have as good or stronger immune response as those vaccinated. Theo reinfsction rate is on par with the vaccinated break through cases. Yes there are exceptions but that is true for vaccinated people also.

And the best data we have indicate immunity from infection is likely more durable than from vaccinations.

- Because 2000 of them are dying every day in the US at the moment
- Because the unvaccinated are causing problems for other seriously ill people who need intensive care
- Because until the severity of the pandemic is markedly lower, breakthrough infections will still occur far too often
- Because so long as the unvaccinated continue to harbor so much virus and be responsible for so many new cases, more mutant strains will continue to appear
- Because the unvaccinated have made workplaces unsafe, contributing to labor shortages and supply chain problems across the country; people want safe work environments

Cases go up after a mask mandate as people don't show symptoms right away or they feel sick for a few days before acting on it. Symptoms can take up to 2 weeks to show up. I know several people that waited until they had to be put on oxygen before they even sought treatment. So if a mask mandate went into effect on 9/1 it stands to reason that people that were exposed on 8/30 could not have symptoms until up to 9/12 or 9/13. If they then wait several days to get tested or treated then they show up on the data for 9/15 or 9/16 as having tested positive. That is why you need to wait 3 weeks to a month after a mandate goes into effect to actually see what it happening.

its a little shortsighted too, as overran hospitals due to covid means if you suffer a heart attack or need help with any other issue, you'd SOL as well. its odd.

Wrong. Yes you need to account for the delay from exposure to contraction to symptoms to testing. But you don’t use the maximums for those because while some cases take that long some also proceed much quicker. That is why you use the median times.

Also if it takes masks to peak the trend, how do states or other populations peak without masks mandates? Why don’t those rates just continue to climb until herd immunity is reached?

You are assuming correlation implies causation but not only are there numerous other factors at play each of these have their own time constants. You can’t just change X and wait ‘forever’ and say see X lowered the infection rate. The reality is much more complicated than that simplistic use of the numbers. Masks can help but the R0 of delta variant is so great and the best mask efficacy low enough that masking alone won’t turn the tide.

I think a lot of people just aren’t believing what much of the media is trying to tell them.

The media have done their job. The clinical data and real world post-approval data for a billion people are out there for everyone to see. The recommendations of every major Public Health organization are out there for everyone to see. It's stupidity, paranoia, fear, politization of public health, and mistrust that's to blame. 'Believing' is a decision to reach about Santa Claus. The pandemic response is medicine and science.

That lack of confidence garnered the United States an unenviable distinction – in mid-September it became the least vaccinated member of the world’s seven most populous and wealthy democracies, or “G7,” which includes Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy and Japan.

Now, a surge of the Delta Covid-19 variant has killed on average more than 2,000 Americans per day and forced the US death toll past the symbolic milestone of 675,000 deaths, the estimated number of Americans who perished in the 1918 influenza pandemic, even as hospitalization and death from Covid-19 is largely preventable.

I know you can't use the maximums, but was just trying to use an example to show how far down the road a case can be from the initial exposure. I also agree that masks are not the only reason that cases are going down, I was simply replying to a previous comment where someone said there was 0 correlation to masks and preventing COVID, so I pointed out the only active areas with mask mandates had cases decrease within a month of implementing a mandate. Obviously there are other things at play, but if 100% of areas that implement a mandate have cases go down I would think you would at least want to look into it and agree that the masks probably have something to do with it.

That is true, but also in this day in age you can seek out media to tell you what you want to hear. Whether that is only reading certain websites, following certain people on social media, or only watching certain news channels. That way you only see/hear what you want to and it is affirmation to your beliefs. You can then simply not listen to the other side and just call everyone on the other side a bunch of quacks and you can find plenty of people that agree with you and will feed you the narrative you want.

dont believe the media

dont believe the president

do believe the scientists and doctors who actually do this for a living

.... and, since you like that loop, you keep consuming more.

Welcome to Facebook's business model.

Is there still a Mask policy in the casinos?

Yes.

Yes but it's not enforced. As long as you have a drink in your hand security won't bother you. I was at the club Saturday and no one was wearing a mask.

It will probably last a few more months at least.

Yeah according to the doctors and politicians you might kill people if you don’t wear a mask but almost nobody seems to give a ****. Masks were called a game changer but much of the public doesn’t act like they really believe that, or they just don’t care.

YMMV but I saw mask-wearing being enforced fairly well/consistent at Caesars/Golden Nugget poker rooms, but the bigger rooms more spread out may be a different story