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07-15-2021 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by McMelchior
Needless to say 'you are entitled to your opinion'.

But so am I.

In NYC restaurants we usually pay $80 - $100 for two entrees of no exceptional quality, with two drinks.

In LV, the same setup run between $35 and $65, and the quality is more often than not outstanding.

There is not really any comparison.

You are not getting two entrees with two drinks for $65 anywhere on the strip. Also, NYC is the over priced capitol of the world so of course almost any city is going to be reasonably priced compared to NYC.
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07-15-2021 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Your Mom
If you're below 50 and healthy and you're worried about covid, you must be illiterate.
Tell that to my healthy 28 year old friend who died from covid jackass
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07-15-2021 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Your Mom
It's arrogant to think anything you can do will stop an endemic virus from being transmitted.
Wow, there are some moronic things being said in this thread. It's actually helping me to understand why our addled country has been so anti-science and anti-Covid mitigation measures.

Of COURSE no one person can stop the virus from being transmitted. But a COLLECTIVE effort can do exactly that. DUHHHHHHH! If enough people get vaccinated, the virus will be unable to propagate. That's basic science. Transmissions will gradually drop to zero.

What I consider highly arrogant is to excuse oneself from being responsible on the pretext that one person can't solve a global problem all by himself. I can't stop it all alone, so why try?

That's along the lines of, people will die in traffic accidents no matter what I do, so I might as well drive 100 mph. Or there will always be forest fires, so what's the difference if I toss a lit cigarette out the window?

Jesus!
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07-15-2021 , 11:51 PM
Yeah Corona has done a really good job of showcasing who is stupid, a terrible person or both
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07-15-2021 , 11:52 PM
How many people are dying that are fully vaccinated and below age 70?

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07-16-2021 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
Yeah Corona has done a really good job of showcasing who is stupid, a terrible person or both
Yes! Exactly! It really has!

Widespread crises and disasters produce that effect. In fact, that might be seen as their only positive aspect.
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07-16-2021 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
How many people are dying that are fully vaccinated and below age 70?
Relatively few. But that isn't the sole consideration. How many people have died/are dying/will die from the virus, transmitted to them from someone else who is immune? Remember, immunity (to whatever degree) doesn't mean you can't be a carrier.

Also, let's pretend that the virus only makes people sick, and doesn't kill them. Wouldn't we still want to avoid transmitting it? Especially since the avoidance measures are trivially easy and cost next to nothing.
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07-16-2021 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
Also, let's pretend that the virus only makes people sick, and doesn't kill them. Wouldn't we still want to avoid transmitting it? Especially since the avoidance measures are trivially easy and cost next to nothing.
We don't have to pretend. It's called the common cold and seasonal flu. Should we all wear masks every fall through the winter now?
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07-16-2021 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BigWhale
As graphs and numbers show on Worldometer, Nevada seems to have a small uptick in cases last few weeks:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/nevada/

I'm fully vaccinated and wouldn't have a second of concern if I was allowed to travel to Vegas tomorrow (FU closed borders). I would also not for a second consider wearing a mask. And yet the biggest risk of anything severe happening to me would probably be the taxi to the airport, and not the actual stay in Vegas.

But if you seriously are worried about stuff like the Delta-variant (as if it's something special) and lack of distancing while playing poker, then you should probably stay home. Sounds like you will be too nervous to fully enjoy it.
Holy crap, the EU is STILL locked out of the U.S.?
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07-16-2021 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
You are not getting two entrees with two drinks for $65 anywhere on the strip. Also, NYC is the over priced capitol of the world so of course almost any city is going to be reasonably priced compared to NYC.
Maybe if the entrees are tacos or burritos or cheeseburgers.
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07-16-2021 , 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
Even if you're immune to the virus, you can still transmit it. And there's actually no such thing as complete immunity.
That is not science. If you think it is, provide a cite.
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07-16-2021 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Holy crap, the EU is STILL locked out of the U.S.?
Yep. Americans can travel here on vacation, but we are not allowed to do the same. There are apparently some ways around this, but I haven't really looked into this. It would just be too impractical (and too many holidays used) to quarantine in South America for 14 days or something before then being allowed to travel in.

Anyway, all the responses above is exactly why I'm not gonna bother posting in this thread. It's downright scary to see how people have lost all sense of reasoning and ability to consider risk.
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07-16-2021 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
That is not science. If you think it is, provide a cite.
"The sun rises in the east and sets in the west."

Furious internet poster: YOU MUST PROVIDE A CITATION!!!! I HEREBY DEMAND IT!!!!!
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07-16-2021 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Koshka
We don't have to pretend. It's called the common cold and seasonal flu. Should we all wear masks every fall through the winter now?
If we are experiencing symptoms, yes indeedy. Actually, people in high population density countries do that as a matter of habit. It's a combination of common sense and common courtesy.
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07-16-2021 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Randall Stevens
I think you're comparing non-strip prices to NYC prices, which is probably not correct (but I am guessing).
Curious to why you think it is "probably not correct" to compare the casual dining scene/neighborhood restaurant prices in two markets?

We are not talking high-end eateries here, and even if we were, I know from ample personal experience, that LV restaurant prices would come in lower compared to NYC.

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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
You are not getting two entrees with two drinks for $65 anywhere on the strip. Also, NYC is the over priced capitol of the world so of course almost any city is going to be reasonably priced compared to NYC.
Last I checked this was the LVL forum - not the "Strip Only Lifestyle" forum.

Or are you now going to claim, that 600+ yearly entries in the Las Vegas Casual Dining thread are not widely reflective of the local dining scene?

FYI., D.C., not NYC, is the capital of the US, and dining prices in NYC are largely comparable to those in US cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco.

And according to Business Insider, they are lower compared to thirteen other world cities like Zurich, Copenhagen, Paris, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, etc.
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07-16-2021 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by McMelchior
Curious to why you think it is "probably not correct" to compare the casual dining scene/neighborhood restaurant prices in two markets?

We are not talking high-end eateries here, and even if we were, I know from ample personal experience, that LV restaurant prices would come in lower compared to NYC.

Last I checked this was the LVL forum - not the "Strip Only Lifestyle" forum.
Because cost per square foot off the strip doesn't relate to Manhattan whereas on the strip definitely does.
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07-16-2021 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Your Mom
It's arrogant to think anything you can do will stop an endemic virus from being transmitted.
Jackpot! the thing is Governments and Quangos propaganda have convinced a significant percentage of the population the onus is on them to stop the spread of the virus.
Anyone with medium understanding on Data Analysis can see how little correlation there is in between harder/softer/no lockdowns and fatalities.

In my opinion this virus goes periodically into overdrive and underdrive; when it's in overdrive the numbers go up and when it's in underdrive they go down, independently of lockdown measures.

Of course all that defies common sense because we all think that if we mix less infection rates would go down, the data is clear though - I would have loved to spend the last 18 months in South Dakota, Texas or Florida instead of London.

But as I said we're going to need some years for the mainstream media to catch up to the horrors of lockdown and coercive measures.
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07-16-2021 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by McMelchior
And according to Business Insider, they are lower compared to thirteen other world cities like Zurich, Copenhagen, Paris, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, etc.
Just for reference, streetcar drivers in Zürich make up to $85k+/year.
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07-16-2021 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by astrobel
In my opinion this virus goes periodically into overdrive and underdrive; when it's in overdrive the numbers go up and when it's in underdrive they go down, independently of lockdown measures.
This is how serious our current societal dynamic has become. People equating the weight of their half-baked, unscientific, magical thinking with the science-driven work of lifelong medical professionals. The sheer narcissism required to think that your gut feelings and tea leaf divinations are more correct than the world's leading experts -- I can't relate on any level to a mind that operates that way, it's absolutely nauseating to me.
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07-16-2021 , 07:31 PM
Quangos though
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07-17-2021 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BigWhale
Yep. Americans can travel here on vacation, but we are not allowed to do the same. There are apparently some ways around this, but I haven't really looked into this. It would just be too impractical (and too many holidays used) to quarantine in South America for 14 days or something before then being allowed to travel in.

Anyway, all the responses above is exactly why I'm not gonna bother posting in this thread. It's downright scary to see how people have lost all sense of reasoning and ability to consider risk.
I found out today that Americans still can't go into Canada, but they can come here. I don't travel internationally, so I had no idea this stuff was still going on. What about the WSOP in October, are they telling you it should be open then?
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07-17-2021 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by brianr
Quangos though
I like the nacho cheese ones.
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07-17-2021 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by astrobel
Jackpot! the thing is Governments and Quangos propaganda have convinced a significant percentage of the population the onus is on them to stop the spread of the virus.
Anyone with medium understanding on Data Ana
Considering that the US is but one of many countries now beginning to experience another surge in case numbers, and in which hospitalizations are once again on the rise, and the timing immediately follows the cancellation of most/all public health restrictions, your claim isn't supported by facts.

The picture is even more clear looking at the county by county case histories. It's precisely in hundreds of counties spread throughout the US midwest, south, and southwest with the lowest vaccination rates that the per capita new case numbers are highest. With about 99% of all hospitalizations in the US now being those who aren't vaccinated, once again the public responsibility is clear.

Finally, the onus is always on the population to comply with public health recommendations and business and school requirements to be vaccinated, as demonstrated historically by the eradication of smallpox and virtual elimination of poliovirus.

Bottom line is that if it weren't for the Death Cult of Disinformation and politicization of the vaccination process, the nation could have achieved herd immunity across large parts of the country.
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07-17-2021 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by namisgr11
Considering that the US is but one of many countries now beginning to experience another surge in case numbers, and in which hospitalizations are once again on the rise, and the timing immediately follows the cancellation of most/all public health restrictions, your claim isn't supported by facts.
That has been proven wrong in so many instances, the UK cases went steadily down throughout the year as the activity levels increased. Only when the virus went into overdrive with the delta variant cases shot up.

Similarly Texas ended restrictions around March 10th, at that point 7-day average cases were around 5000; they went down to below 1000 on June 1st ... more mixing, fewer cases ... it's not rocket science, human activity is not the main driver.
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07-17-2021 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I found out today that Americans still can't go into Canada, but they can come here. I don't travel internationally, so I had no idea this stuff was still going on. What about the WSOP in October, are they telling you it should be open then?
For what it's worth, Canada will open borders for Americans in mid-August as per this link, but only if vaccinated:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzanne...h=2a78cf1a569d

As for Europeans traveling to the US, no idea. Not particularly bothered about WSOP as I have no plans playing it. But in the current landscape with "cases rising" (as if this is important), I don't foresee it happening any time soon.

There were talks yesterday between Joe Biden and Angela Merkel (Germany), and they are already mentioning Delta-variant etc. - will for sure be a convenient excuse to continue the delay in reopening borders:

https://www.ft.com/content/c101ed07-...4-cb0c87cc74af

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