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Old 02-28-2015, 09:58 PM   #276
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Regarding the Cabbie/doormen dynamic, do cabbies ever give kickbacks to doormen to get the high kickback rides?
Yes, absolutely. Personally I have had my opportunities to set up long term arrangements before and could do it now but I despise the practice so much I can't bring myself to do it. It's infuriating when youre in line and you see this **** go down. This practice is carried out by probably 90% limos however. There are some stands where cabbies and doorman do this, usually only for a few guys or less, like 3. MGM is one of the worst, MB is horrible. You'll see cabs parked right at the ropes all the time over there. As such, as I said I chose MGM to latch on too and haven't picked up there in years.

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The reason I ask this is because I was in a long taxi line (there was a long line of taxi's, our personal wait was short). When my group of 3 guys got to the front of the line we asked to go to a crazy horse 3, and instead of getting the next cab in the line the doorman whistled to the parking lot and another cab came up out of nowhere completely cutting the cab line and whisked us away (he gave us the standard coupon for free drink upon entry or whatever promotion which I assume are just used to track the cabbie and give them their kickback).
Let me guess, a Pakistani dude driving an SUV. Has one of those skin pigment conditions on his arms?

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This was originating from the MGM as well so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with your distaste of them, just wondering if that cabbie had a deal with the doorman to get priority on that ride, and also was it legal for the doorman to do so? I assume the other cabs waiting in line would have had a legitimate gripe (but probably not able to do anything about it), especially the next cab for potentially losing out on a ride with kickbacks but also every other cab in the line being forced to wait one more turn?

Thank you for your post in general. But this in particular is 100% correct. Your testimonial above was great because it's the other side of the problem as I describe it. We got to see it from the perspective on the guest. But here you've managed to cut right through to the heart of the issue faster than anyone I've encountered, that's outside the business anyway. So bravo.

I'll leave you with a link to a blog post where I published the letter I wrote to MGM expressing my grievances. Nothing ever came of it, of course. I never even received a reply.

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Old 02-28-2015, 10:29 PM   #277
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this is how things gets changed. do you think we could out lobby the cab companies to get the ordinances changed to allow ride sharing for money? not gonna happen.
There's that we again... And what do you mean, not gonna happen. It ALREADY has happened. And is happening...

Uber has already spent a $475,000 lobbying in their home state of California for favorable legislation. Spent $600,000 in Illinois to a get a ride sharing bill passed. Spent a similar amount of money in Colorado for the same. They are doing the same thing in my home state of Nevada as I type this. And countless other markets. They are hiring and partnering with some of the most talented and most powerful and influential individuals in Washington and nationwide. They generate petitions, they bring the money, they bring the heat. These guys are playing hard ball. Stop trying to act like the $40 Billion dollar evaluated company is an innocent creature with it's tale ducked between it's legs. Did you really just suggest that a company with a national base and $5Billion in capital couldn't out lobby a mom & pop cab company in any one market? How does that kool aid taste man?

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if i don't trust Uber, i don't get the app. i don't see how anybody can be upset about Uber operating in your town unless they're taking money out of your pocket.
You said that already and in response I posed a question that you never addressed...How many Sophia Liu's will there need to be before you will reevaluate that position? How many times will the $40 Billion company declare themselves not responsible before you will say that's bull****?
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Old 03-01-2015, 01:01 AM   #278
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Telling the same story again and again doesn't make it relevant

The market is correcting itself and doing a pretty good job despite the cab company efforts to block it
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Old 03-01-2015, 07:57 AM   #279
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As was already stated Uber does not currently operate anywhere in NV., due to a recent preliminary injunction. When they did operate it was only for 4 weeks or so and they didn't attempt to service the Strip whatsoever. That was their own choice, I guess you could say.

"I guess you could say". I mean, I guess you could say I am ten feet tall but doesn't make it so.

They were told to stay off the strip. You know this. I wonder what entity was the driving force behind arrests of Uber drivers who operated on the strip? The injunction? The highly favorable to the taxi industry change in venue? Hmmmmmmmmm
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Old 03-01-2015, 01:50 PM   #280
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Back to the strip club/taxi dynamic-

Read the blog post you linked and the RJ article. Has anything changed for the better in the 5 years since (has the IRS actually gotten involved, for example) or is it status quo? I think I already know the answer.
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Old 03-01-2015, 09:59 PM   #281
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As was already stated Uber does not currently operate anywhere in NV., due to a recent preliminary injunction. When they did operate it was only for 4 weeks or so and they didn't attempt to service the Strip whatsoever. That was their own choice, I guess you could say.

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"I guess you could say". I mean, I guess you could say I am ten feet tall but doesn't make it so.
It's not my saying so that makes it so. Uber announced their intentions to begin operations in NV. They were told by the State NOT to do that as they had not even applied for a business licenses let alone a motor carrier permit or medallions. They were told they were not to operate ANYWHERE IN NEVADA until these stipulations were met.

Despite this, they began operations anyway. They have no regard for any instructions from any State. As such, they began operating. They made their OWN DECISION to not service the Strip. They easily could have, but they decided to start on just in the local valley. Again, that was entirely their decision. Hence they, "I guess you could say."

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They were told to stay off the strip. You know this. I wonder what entity was the driving force behind arrests of Uber drivers who operated on the strip? The injunction? The highly favorable to the taxi industry change in venue? Hmmmmmmmmm
I don't know that. Once again, they weren't told to stay off the Strip, they were told to stay out of Nevada (until requirements are met). Uber decided to begin operations in spite of this, making their own decision to not service the Strip.

I even made the joke on twitter about how Uber's account was talking about they "weren't allowed to operate on the Strip yet", spoken as if they were allowed to operate anywhere in else Nevada.

Regarding the rest of this paragraph. You can be speculative and suggestive all you'd like, but what you should be doing is explaining to us how Uber was not in violation of NV. law. The entity behind the apprehension of drivers was the TA. That is their role, the regulatory enforcement of the transportation industry in Las Vegas. Just like they apprehended the aforementioned Craigslist driver for operating without, they apprehended Uber drivers for operating without a permit. That is precisely what they were cited and cars were impounded for. To date, that is literally the only role TA has played in this. If Uber were to ever apply for medallions and permits, then it would be in TA's wheelhouse. But that never happened, and that is a very crucial point, Uber never even applied. And they operated anyway.

So the NV. AG filed for a temporary restraining order in NV. District court. (not TA's jurisdiction whatsoever). This hearing took place in Las Vegas and the motion was denied. What's that? Corrupt system in cab co's back pocket rules in favor of Uber? wth? That's right, motion is denied because action was against Uber Corp. and State must show Uber Corp is a danger to society. Now personally I thought it was a mistake for the AG to try a to get a TRO against Uber Corp and AG walked right into Uber's hands because...the Judge ruled that while Uber Drivers Inc. may indeed be operating illegally and endangering the public eg. no permit, Uber Corp itself is not a danger to the public because they are just some firm from San Fran so it could not be them that was endangering the public as they are not even present. A colossal win for Uber Corp, not because an otherwise meaningless restraining order was avoided, but because the Court saw a distinction between Uber Corp. and Uber Driver Inc's. That was the trap.


So then, the AG pursues a preliminary injunction. It's not a legal preceding that I know near enough about, I know it differs greatly from a TRO and the basic question is; is X against the law and if so the Judge can make a decision about what to do about activity X. I do know that there was some really interesting testimony on both sides. Biggest part was Uber Corp claims they are just a tech/app company and the Judge asks how is it Uber makes their money? Their fee system is explained and it was then asks, so the app that Uber claims is their business is free for anyone to download and they generate no income from it?? It's actually a huge costs for them, so that they can generate money via taking people to places in exchange for money. (Keep in mind, all of Uber Rider's payment goes straight to Uber Corp, then it's distributed to Uber Driver Inc's from there.) Then it's revealed that Uber Corp. actually sat down with NTA prior to opening of operations at which time NTA layed out five criteria that if Uber could come to terms with these 5 bullet points then they would talk seriously about licensing them. Pretty reasonable, the State came to the table with an offer prior to day one and Uber promptly rejected all 5 requirements and months later began their operations anyway. The Judge ruled, like I have been arguing in this very thread, that the NV. laws that exist to regulate the transportation industry apply to Uber Corp & Uber Driver Inc's activities. The Judge ordered Uber to cease operations. However the ruling was left open ended with the basic tenant, report back when you're either compliant, you've come to an agreement with NTA or you get the rule books changed. Until then, you're not to be operating in NV. ...and so it is today.

To recap: Uber met w/ State and State said, do A,B,C,D & F and we'll license you. Uber said eff that we are doing none of those things. Uber began operating w/o license, Judge said you're breaking the law. And you did it on purpose. So, stop.

And from that you're trying to suggest that the Cab Co's are responsible for Uber's condition? It's nonsense. That's Occam's Razor ***** right there. Massive Cab Co. conspiracy? Or, Uber broke the law? Which is a more simple explanation? You're busy with speculations when what you should be doing is explaining why the court decision was unjust. Corrupt Judge or not, what's wrong about his decision? What's your argument on how Uber isn't breaking the law? I keep asking for that, in your defense it's no small task. Uber's high price defense team couldn't do either.
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Old 03-01-2015, 10:06 PM   #282
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Uber's refusing to even apply for a permit and then insisting that "the corrupt system won't let us in" is analogous to crying that the University never admitted you when you never even sent in an application.
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Old 03-02-2015, 10:32 AM   #283
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Why is it that Nevada chooses to fight Uber while other states allow them to operate freely and have even adapted legislation to fit the newer business models? Why does Nevada want status quo instead of giving the consumers what they want?

maybe Uber thought the demands of the state to operate were outrageous and needed to be challenged. maybe paying thousands of dollars to the state for a medallion is wasteful spending passed on to the consumer.

you can say they are just enforcing the law, but I highly doubt it's b/c nevada district attorneys are the only ones in the country paying attention. Other states are using their prosecutorial or executive discretion b/c they feel this isn't a societal problem that deserves government attention. or they're amending their laws to *GASP* make things better for the public.
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:52 AM   #284
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MrFunk, as someone who uses Uber here in Denver I find their service to be of great value. In my experience they are way more reliable and efficient than taxi's. I think they developed a platform that is far superior to a taxi company and I think that is great. I have heard and seen arguments about them having an unfair advantage and my response has been that taxi companies need to adapt to the 21st century.

With that said, I have also used Uber without doing any research or reading the fine print. You have truly opened my eyes and made me see the risks involved with using them. I do agree that Uber should have to go through the same requirements that taxi companies do, and they are obviously skirting around that with total disregard. I am all for open markets and fair competition, but they are not playing by the same rules. Now if they were required to conform to the same regulations that taxi companies are and they still crushed the taxi's, so be it. That is just one company running it's business better than the other, and I 100% believe in that. In no way should a company be "protected" because someone else is doing it better, but as I now know, Uber is not playing by the same rules.

I told my wife about this last night and said we won't use them anymore. It is a shame because it is so much easier and efficient than a taxi, but I guess I will now only have one glass of wine at dinner when we go out and will valet.
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With that said, I have also used Uber without doing any research or reading the fine print. You have truly opened my eyes and made me see the risks involved with using them.
What risks are you talking about? We already established that Uber insures passengers.
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Old 03-02-2015, 11:19 PM   #286
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Am I the only one who feels like the taxi vs. Uber argument has run its course?

I for one am interested in your thoughts on Shoe's post. Thanks for doing the thread. Any interesting rides recently?
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Let me guess, a Pakistani dude driving an SUV. Has one of those skin pigment conditions on his arms?
I don't remember exactly what he looked like or noticing anything about his skin but if I had to guess ethnicity Pakistani would be the top guess but could have been middle eastern as well.


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Thank you for your post in general. But this in particular is 100% correct. Your testimonial above was great because it's the other side of the problem as I describe it. We got to see it from the perspective on the guest. But here you've managed to cut right through to the heart of the issue faster than anyone I've encountered, that's outside the business anyway. So bravo.

I'll leave you with a link to a blog post where I published the letter I wrote to MGM expressing my grievances. Nothing ever came of it, of course. I never even received a reply.

Dear MGM,
Thanks for the reply, and read your letter. I agree it seems surprising one of the top properties on the strip would not want to completely turn a blind eye to all of this. Would you say all the MGM properties behave this way or is it pretty much isolated to MGM Grand?
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This thread just confirms that cab drivers are pissed off a holes.
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This thread just confirms that cab drivers are pissed off a holes.
If you were a cab driver and had to deal with people like you on a daily basis, you would be an a hole too.
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This might be a stupid question, but we're going to stay in an apartment in partly gated complex (it looks like from google maps that there's one entrance that has a gate and other that doesn't have), if we would need to call a cab and say the street address of the place, will the driver come inside the gated community or wait at one of the gates and if the latter, how would we know which gate?
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Why is it that Nevada chooses to fight Uber while other states allow them to operate freely and have even adapted legislation to fit the newer business models? Why does Nevada want status quo instead of giving the consumers what they want?
Dude, you're just not paying attention if you think NV. is the only State or individual market that has barred Uber from operating. I've even named over a dozen of them already in this very thread. Entire NATIONS have banned Uber. I just read today how Iowa and Georgia are sticking it to them now. Boise and Ottawa just recently banned them. They are all making the same determination as I have in this very thread, as NV. has. Do I have to name them all again? It doesn't matter, there are MORE than I can name.


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maybe Uber thought the demands of the state to operate were outrageous and needed to be challenged. maybe paying thousands of dollars to the state for a medallion is wasteful spending passed on to the consumer.
The important thing to note here is that you just proved that you don't know what you're talking about. Cab Co.'s in NV. don't pay 'thousands of dollars' to the state for a medallion. They don't purchase medallions from the State at all. They lease them for the grand total of $100, annually. But more importantly, there is nothing outrageous about demanding accountability for a $40B company when they're responsible for the death a 6 year old girl.
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A side note: The great Doug Elfman from the RJ (@VegasAnonymous) asked me to join him on his podcast this week and we discussed a wide range of Vegas related topics for a couple of hours. You'll be pleased to know only about ten minutes of it were spent on Uber. I also shared some stories so those of you seeking some stories may enjoy. Check it out if you're so inclined...

http://www.blubrry.com/dougelfmanshow/

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you're right. i don't know the cost of a taxi medallion in NV. but i can google what they're worth, and it's fair to say that plenty of cab drivers/companies across the US are paying too much for them unnecessarily and passing the cost onto the riders.

i suppose you're going to continue to ignore the massive price difference between Uber and a cab? i'd love to see where all that extra money goes. it's either a massive inefficiency or someone's making a whole lot of money.
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MrFunk, as someone who uses Uber here in Denver I find their service to be of great value. In my experience they are way more reliable and efficient than taxi's. I think they developed a platform that is far superior to a taxi company and I think that is great. I have heard and seen arguments about them having an unfair advantage and my response has been that taxi companies need to adapt to the 21st century.

With that said, I have also used Uber without doing any research or reading the fine print. You have truly opened my eyes and made me see the risks involved with using them. I do agree that Uber should have to go through the same requirements that taxi companies do, and they are obviously skirting around that with total disregard. I am all for open markets and fair competition, but they are not playing by the same rules. Now if they were required to conform to the same regulations that taxi companies are and they still crushed the taxi's, so be it. That is just one company running it's business better than the other, and I 100% believe in that. In no way should a company be "protected" because someone else is doing it better, but as I now know, Uber is not playing by the same rules.

I told my wife about this last night and said we won't use them anymore. It is a shame because it is so much easier and efficient than a taxi, but I guess I will now only have one glass of wine at dinner when we go out and will valet.

At the risk of losing your vote here lol, keep in mind that these policies are as nuanced as they are market specific. As I mentioned previously CO. once again proved forward thinking and is one of the very few states that have already passed legislation governing these outfits. I just read today how CO. PUC is already doing personal vehicle and doc. inspections, and this is an important step re my point of "who will verify that things are what they say they are?" That said, I have not read the specifics re the requirements in your state. I would suggest contacting the insurance commission in CO. which probably has a resource for consumers on what the realities are here in general and also vs regular cabs. Also important of course is exact nature of driver background checks uber drivers are taking. You're putting your wife in a car with a perfect stranger, call me sexist but it's not something I would ever let her do.

London is a good example. "The Knowledge," the test hacks in London must complete before earning a permit is the most stringent cab permitting process in the world. It's takes drivers up to 2 years to complete. It amounts to an associates degree in cab driving. Forget GPS, London is huge and they know every street like the back of their hand. And they are all hilarious. They are by far the best cab drivers on the globe.

However, strangely London allows gypsy cabs to operate. They've long since let *******s driving their personal cars pick people up for money, and undercut the professional "black cabs". It's a bit odd, I have always thought. I asked a londoner who was in my cab one time about this and he said, "If I'm just out at the pub with my mates and need a lift home then I will take a gypsy, but if my wife and kids need a cab they will be getting in a black cab every time."

So that's the way to think about it I think. In addition to your other homework, I would urge you to contact your local cab outfits again and see if they are developing an app based request system. Many are adopting this idea as their own. And it goes without saying that taking an Uber home would always be preferable to drinking and driving so don't make any excuses for that.

Lastly, there is the other question; do you want to patronize a company who seeks to do business in this illusory manner?
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i suppose you're going to continue to ignore the massive price difference between Uber and a cab? i'd love to see where all that extra money goes. it's either a massive inefficiency or someone's making a whole lot of money.
I've avoided discussions of cost because it's an incredibly arduous part of the topic and I'm already losing my audience as it is lol.

In short, I would say any claims of cheaper costs must first be weighed against the 5 and $600 rape surge rides I get to read about on the wire on a regular basis. That's TWO DAYS of work for me, Uber does it one ride. And you still get to say they're cheaper? Ok then. We'll have to agree to disagree there.

And lastly, you're vastly underestimating the cost difference between following the regs and not following the regs. And even worse than that you've failed to factor in the most important thing: THE biggest thing you've over looked is that Cab Co's have a thing called employees see, and they need to be paid. They also need workman's comp insurance, and health insurance and bonuses and you get the added benefit of paying for half of their payroll taxes. It works out nicely for me because they also represent me in the event I'm a party to a lawsuit. And I ain't even IN the union. Is it any wonder that "labor" is the biggest expense for just about every company ever. Why do you think investors are drooling over this dude?

Meanwhile the Uber driver gets none of these protections or considerations and he's basically ****ed (even Uber's new policy won't cover the drivers car even if he's loaded, ((Uber still insists driver ins. will over it)). And he's going to get bent over in the event he screws up and this is all fine and good to you if it means you get to save a few bucks on a ride, I mean pay $600 for a ride.
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This might be a stupid question, but we're going to stay in an apartment in partly gated complex (it looks like from google maps that there's one entrance that has a gate and other that doesn't have), if we would need to call a cab and say the street address of the place, will the driver come inside the gated community or wait at one of the gates and if the latter, how would we know which gate?
There are no stupid questions. Don't worry about the gate, but do see if there is a gate code that you can give to visitors. There are keypads outside with a general code you can give to the cab company when you call so we can get in. Or oftentimes we can just follow another car in. Check with your host for said code. Usually a four digit number with a pound key or a key sign. You could also just tell them to have driver wait outside the gate and call you when he arrives.
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lol at citing anecdotal evidence AGAIN. i'm sure googling expensive taxi doesn't have any results whatsoever. i've seen the huge bills on Uber as well, they're usually the rider's fault but even then i've still seen Uber step in and mediate for both driver and customer. i'm sure cab companies are very welcoming to adjusting fares AFTER a trip has ended. Uber can and does.

two words. 1. long 2. haul.

even the vegas TA says that as many as 25% of cab rides are long hauls. the system actually encourages drivers to long haul. Uber is GPS tracked so it can't happen. cabs also charge more per person. Uber is the same if you have 1 or 5 passengers.

personally, on plenty of occasions, i've taken an Uber from the same place to the same destination as friends who took a cab. my ride has always been cheaper by a lot, usually about half the cost.

maybe all this insurance and regulation, health benefits, worker comp, etc. isn't necessary. maybe, just maybe, not all industries need full time employees. if we have a large group of willing, part time drivers, why not use them? remove the unnecessary costs. driving a car isn't that complicated. it doesn't require a degree or years of training. maybe in the past a good hack would know the streets like the back of his hand, but that's no longer necessary with GPS. it's actually a pretty perfect part time job for someone working a 9-5 if they already have a vehicle and GPS. maintaining a second car to drive for work and personal reasons is redundant. that's an extra cost built into the system and tax companies simply have way too many of those costs.

that's why Uber is winning.
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MrFunk, On a slow night is it better to wait forever in a cabstand line or drive around hoping to find a fare?
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:14 PM   #299
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Also, do all the cabbies at a company get a long, or is it more like working a sales job where co-workers get competitive and mess with each other? Are there rivalries between cab companies? On the other hand, is being a cabbie more monotonous and less dramatic than my questions presume? Thank you.
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Old 03-05-2015, 04:30 PM   #300
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maybe all this insurance and regulation, health benefits, worker comp, etc. isn't necessary. maybe, just maybe, not all industries need full time employees. if we have a large group of willing, part time drivers, why not use them? remove the unnecessary costs. driving a car isn't that complicated. it doesn't require a degree or years of training. maybe in the past a good hack would know the streets like the back of his hand, but that's no longer necessary with GPS. it's actually a pretty perfect part time job for someone working a 9-5 if they already have a vehicle and GPS. maintaining a second car to drive for work and personal reasons is redundant. that's an extra cost built into the system and tax companies simply have way too many of those costs.
This paragraph is so full of errors it's not worth taking the time to point them all out. And since the author won't listen to reason, why bother?

So how about all you Uber lovers/cab haters give it a rest and let OP take back control of a good thread. We don't care how the randoms feel about Uber here.
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