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03-23-2015 , 10:44 AM
The only fair way to determine whether to chop is through a secret ballot. Each player receives a black card and a red card to use one as a ballot. Red means no. Black means chop. All players must agree to chop. Mob rule sucks! Call the Floor.
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03-23-2015 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by realpokerstud
The only fair way to determine whether to chop is through a secret ballot. Each player receives a black card and a red card to use one as a ballot. Red means no. Black means chop. All players must agree to chop. Mob rule sucks! Call the Floor.
Diplomacy at its finest!
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03-23-2015 , 01:20 PM
Wow, even chop 9 ways. That is just stupid unless you are one of the real shorties. Can't believe they weren't even talking chip chop. That is really disappointing to hear because I have always thought the V ran great tournaments. In fact, I am heading out there on Friday and planning on playing an Aria daily and the V $600.
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03-23-2015 , 02:03 PM
Ya we did a card ballot thing for paying the bubble. The problem is they only stopped action and did it for that after everyone agreed. These guys had been hyping chop since 12 people and I made the mistake of mentioning it wasn't something I wanted to consider so early... Obviously I hardly thought I'd be alone on that with some clear short stacks. Lesson learned: be the most enthusiastic one about chopping at the V, then screw them all over in the card ballot haha . Even Hollywood it further being like "OK guys I thought we had a deal WTF!?"
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03-23-2015 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wheydacheese
Lesson learned: be the most enthusiastic one about chopping at the V, then screw them all over in the card ballot haha . Even Hollywood it further being like "OK guys I thought we had a deal WTF!?"
Always a good plan when in relation to poker. Lol people in general are clowns when it comes to emotions over logic.
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03-23-2015 , 03:37 PM
yea my standard response to this is wait for cards and bet hard or push, this happens in cash games where a couple of guys will bet hard trying to get the newbies to fold can be real profitable but you cannot bluff
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03-23-2015 , 04:17 PM
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I think you should definitely talk to a floor at least in the "how should I handle this if it happens in the future?" I have gotten very good results talking with Logan and Susan(? - dark haired middle-aged lady).

My situations have been cash for me so I just "go to the bathroom" and talk to the floor by the podium and they wander over in a few minutes and just kind of discretely monitor situations (players who were being belligerent that I did not want to engage or suspected collusion).
You've had better luck than me, or maybe those specific floor you mentioned are good, but I have a low opinion of the Venetian tournament floor, especially for the DSE where they bring in more guys. I doubt there's anything they would've done for whey. I mean, wtf it was the FT, there should be a floor next to the table the entire time. They must have heard at least some of the collusion. If they didn't it's just more incompetence.
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03-23-2015 , 04:28 PM
I don't live in a state that has poker, so I get to play probably 5% as much as you guys do, but I do think that Whey was royally screwed here. Collusion is taken very seriously by legit rooms, dealers and floor persons. To have the majority of the table openly colluding is grounds for as warning and possible suspension of each guilty player for an orbit. For the floor person to respond to Whey the way he did is surprising for a room like the Venetian. I've seen dealers call players out even if they SUSPECT collusion... Call over the floor, explain the situation and players explain to the floor that they are not guilty of wrong doing. This situation last night is a real head scratcher...
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03-23-2015 , 04:30 PM
I should also note that most of the time I dealt with the floors have been very late night or early morning so it is very quiet and the floors don't have much else to do. If imagine if I asked at 10pm I would likely get less help.
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03-23-2015 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by EyeRaze
I don't live in a state that has poker, so I get to play probably 5% as much as you guys do, but I do think that Whey was royally screwed here. Collusion is taken very seriously by legit rooms, dealers and floor persons. To have the majority of the table openly colluding is grounds for as warning and possible suspension of each guilty player for an orbit. For the floor person to respond to Whey the way he did is surprising for a room like the Venetian. I've seen dealers call players out even if they SUSPECT collusion... Call over the floor, explain the situation and players explain to the floor that they are not guilty of wrong doing. This situation last night is a real head scratcher...
To take this one step further, I can picture individual floor people perhaps handling this badly, but agree with Raze that a properly indoctrinated employee would be mortified that was allowed to happen in their room. At the very least, the room manager should be shocked and disappointed to hear that was permitted to occur in their room. What happened is as damaging to the game as six of the final eight players at an FT speaking in a language other than English until the other two are eliminated. What a shame
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03-23-2015 , 04:49 PM
If this is against the gaming rules, the nevada gaming commision should be contacted.
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03-23-2015 , 05:28 PM
When I was getting payout I told floor that they really need to have standards in place to deal with that, he said he was sorry but the shift had just changed so he didn't know of the situation. Obviously dealers should have shut it down little, I also should have been more vocal about it as it was occurring but it had been long day and was sort of damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Obviously I don't expect we'll have this problem when I FT the main in a few weeks.
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03-23-2015 , 05:40 PM
Oh ya gfs bday is tomorrow gonna go out places so will just do a big update on wed with extra content ands some reviews on stuff.
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03-23-2015 , 07:25 PM
I would have stopped play and refused to continue until a competent floor person was brought to the table and put a stop to it.
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03-23-2015 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by wheydacheese
When I was getting payout I told floor that they really need to have standards in place to deal with that, he said he was sorry but the shift had just changed so he didn't know of the situation. Obviously dealers should have shut it down little, I also should have been more vocal about it as it was occurring but it had been long day and was sort of damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Obviously I don't expect we'll have this problem when I FT the main in a few weeks.
If possible, the dealers are probably worse than the floor. They bring in a ton of temps for DSE's. I was in a hand where a guy raised and I shoved. As another guy was thinking about what to do and looked over at his neighbor, the guy next to him that had already folded said "Hey, pot odds, you gotta call". Dealer said nothing, I really couldn't either, and the guy called and won the hand. Just one example.

I haven't played there in a DSE for a couple years because of this sort of crap. I had planned on playing one or two this year, but it sounds like it's as bad as ever, so I might re-think it.
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03-23-2015 , 08:19 PM
I have encountered similar situations as I rarely chop. Have learned that as soon as I hear any indication of soft play or collusion, I wait for action to get to me and ask dealer for the floor. I will ask the floor the definition of one player per a hand, collusion/soft play in addition to the penalty. Do not point any fingers however make sure the entire table including dealer hear it. Have not had to proceed any further than this
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03-23-2015 , 09:23 PM
Outstanding DNA! Was trying to think of a way to do pretty much this with out coming off as a tool but could not...very well played
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03-25-2015 , 07:06 PM
gf bailed on plans, just wanted to stay in and 'do other things' which doesn't translate well to update-able content Gotta $400 bounty tomorrow then likely back to back fri sat at the 2-5 so will likely wait and just roll all that together. follow the mtt action tomorrow on twitter @Wheydacheese at noon.
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03-26-2015 , 10:34 PM
bleh long day but busto 6 spots from backtaback ITM$, standard spot, folded around to me on button with 13bb and Ah7h...mandatory shove but bb picked up AQ.
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03-26-2015 , 10:51 PM
only real setback/hiccup was had tables break on me three times in one level after break which made it pretty hard to get in any rhythm and/or take advantage of any image/reads. was just bad luck on the table draws going to the next table break after the first one (and 2)
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04-01-2015 , 12:49 PM
What's going on?

I'm going to LV solo in May - am I going to die from the bright lights and glamour? Going for 2 weeks ...
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04-01-2015 , 06:11 PM
Long overdue update, been very busy. Unfortunately things didn't go as well as I had hoped in the Wynn ME as far as note taking and keeping track of the notes I did take. I'll take a better approach to the V ME next week so I can give a better laid out play by play. I'll have to just recap the Wynn ME as best as I quickly can.

My first table was absolutely brutal and 2 of the more solid lag mtt pros were directly on my left. There were initially 2 amateur players at the table which would prove few and far between this tournament, and virtually non-existent in the late stages. Unfortunately, rather than provide a spot to chip up from, they busted veryyy quickly in very poor spots and donated all their chips to much more threatening players. I had to spend hours just lingering below the chip average. It's not that I was inactive, just that it was taking a number of plays ect just to keep afloat. Fortunately I was moved a little past mid way through the day to a much softer table. At the new table I was able to start chipping up quickly and also played the ugliest hand/mistake of the tournament for me. I was above chip average and opened AJs small (x2/x2.5) from EP as I felt I could rep premium in this spot also. Folded around to the cutoff who 3-bet me. He was shorter stacked but appeared to have room to be possible three-bet folding here so I should have fold equity to four bet and if not it looked like I would be risking about 30% of my stack vs him. My inexperience in live mtts showed as I quickly 4-bet shoved on him...well I should have slowed down and assessed the situation better which is certainly something I have been making an effort to do. As it turned out he covered a tick over 50% of my stack, he had a ton of lower denomination chips I did not accurately count he called with AKos. Needless to say this could/should have been a bad setback but of course I binked a J in the window and gained both a sloppy image and a nice buffer of ammo to open up more and take advantage of that. Ended Day 1 well above chip average. *just a note, I did fold AKs pre twice on Day 1, once to an open-raise-shove spot and I'm in lp and once to one of the tightest players at the table who opened EP, I raised also EP, and he sizably 4 bet...I folded he showed AKs also but that had to be the bottom of his range there.

I set a nice tempo on day 2, right from the start making plays and chipping up fast. I did take a few nasty beats though and ultimately slipped just below/at average when the most critical hand of the tournament for me, and also the only hand I was in as a big dog and needed that 'one time' occurred. Eric Molina, who I had played with through a good deal of Day 1, was sitting on a big stack about 1.75X the average in the big blind and defended to a 3x raise I put in from button with Kd10d. Flop came 3s5s10h and he led out into me. With him this can mean a lot...sts, 2 pairs, combo draws, bare str draws ect. I flat and he leads out again on a Ks turn. At this point I've invested a sizable enough portion of my stack that I can't flat here, vs some players it's a fold but this guy is capable of being light here. Calling seems like the worst option (even far worse than folding). I decide vs his rather ambiguous range jamming was the best choice mentally checking off the following: can he fold a better hand? my hand reps spades enough that with the sizing he should/could fold hands like a set of 5s or 3s. can he call with a worse hand that would check-fold rivers? yes...hands like As10x. Anyhow good bad ugly I jam. He looks pretty anguished as he tanks and mutters something like no ***** way which is great news for me. It appears he is on the verge of folding when he sort of crying calls and I see he has a baby like 7 high flush. Arg I'm in trouble but I just call for a 10 on river and bink. He's pretty frustrated initially but shows why he is a pro by recollecting himself, running his chips way back up over the rest of the day, and ultimately finishing the entire mtt in 4th for 40k. We got to play together more later at other tables and talked about the hand. He didn't really begrudge me at all for it and was a pleasant person to converse with. He understood the merit of my shove there and admitted he expected to see a bigger flush a high % in that spot and was on the fence about the call which surprised me b/c while I suspected I might get sets to fold, folding out a flush seems way to optimistic.
After that hand I had a much larger than average chip stack and it looked like a great time to start pushing the envelope to getting a monster stack to wield into the final stages. Unfortunately that was not the case as I lost some ugly ones including doubling up a shorter stack with my KK < 77 all in pre.
I spent the rest of the day stuck at and below average largely due to the continued presence of Maxin Sorokin, a crazy hyperagro Russian guy who took down the mtt for 1st sitting directly on my left. He plays so bizarre, not like meta post flop bizarre like caveman shove pre weird. No less than 10 times he just !3 jammed over my opens for varying and apparently irrelevant stack sizes ranging from 30 to 90 bigs. He effectively cut off my entire open-fold range. He did this so consistently that had I picked up a real hand during this time he would have self destructed on me even before the bubble.

Being so positionally restricted and card dead, plus the fact the remaining field was sick strong, I found myself among the short stacks with 33 players remaining (27 paid). Even with the table change, Maxim Sorokin had been placed on my left again and kept up his wild pre shove antics. Around this point I got stuck in a ugly spot which is probably the closest I came (and consequently the one I regret) to calling him. I opened AsJs from MP, folds around to Maxim on the button who surprise surprise just jams 50 bigs or so. I tanked and expected to be flipping here vs small pairs mostly but he can be soooo wide it can even be more favorable. With my stack size even the bubble is far from a certainty for me so I really don't think I could afford NOT to take this spot buuuut I nit-bich folded.

We go to dinner break with 32 people left, I am among the bottom 3 chip stacks. The fact that cashing my second consecutive main holds importance to me has already proved a tremendous disadvantage at this stage vs some of these pros who could care less about anything but a top 5-6 finish. It's not that it's a super apparent thing and I'm being targeted, just more so that I haven't taken some spots that would be standard if not advantageous at this point in the tournament. I'm pretty frustrated that I'm going to be in the very situation I hate being in against a bubble where I am going to be forced into action (I don't do the crawl in with tiny stack thing no matter how bad I want to cash so I'm going to start pressuring while I still have enough chips to threaten) JimBeam and DuckU are over at the sportsbook and we have conversation where I bounce some ideas off about my planned shove/call ranges as well as why my perceived range would likely be given a number of different actions in various positions. I felt much better coming back from dinner break and proceeded as planned shoving my way back into contention. At this point it became advantageous that this pro heavy field despises any min type cash as they bubble came super quick without the drag on I'm so used to seeing.
I got reseated after the bubble broke and was looking forward to shaking off the crazy Russian. With him out of the way I am able to run my stack back up into contention and above average. Down to 2 tables we get reseated and my Russian buddy gets stuck DIRECTLY on my LEFT AGAIN...sigh. He proceeds to do his usual 3 bet ship ins with surprising success. Also at this table is who from my prospective was the strongest player in the field. I mean no disrespect to anyone else because there were some amazing and challenging players in this pro heavy field, but from what I saw and experienced this guy Stephen Graner, who went on to finish 3rd was just sickly good. He was a big meta postflop players with a style not dissimilar to my own in that he largely disregarded his holdings but a good deal superior to mine in that he attacked EVERY hint of weakness and did not miss a single opportunity to win a hand postflop. He also seemed to have the live reading ability to get away with it as I saw him take down some very large pots postflop with a crazy number of four and five bets often risking his whole tournament if he were wrong (I am positive he did this with the worse hand a number of times) but be was continually right. Sendalar also seemed to know his capabilities as he lost most of his stack !5 bet shoving pp99 over Stephan's JJ in a really weird hand (I went on to K.O. Sendalar's mini stack bragbrag bragbrag) I mostly avoided playing with him (Graner) post flop knowing that I would be a big dog. I was on to him enough to steal a few from him post by inducing threebets from him and 4 bet shoving to take any room for plays away from him (sloppy but was my only way to neutralize his edge on me). Last hand of day 2 an EP tighter older player (the last of his type remaining actually) with a shorter stack shoves from MP and while not thrilled I'm never folding AQ on the button so we end up flipping JJ > AQ, I'm left with an adequate amount of chips but would have been in top 5 or 6 coming into day 3 if I win the flip.

We bagged day 2 and were told there would be no reseating for day 3, lucky me. We came back day 3 with I think 16 players remaining. There was a pay jump at 15, then again at 12, then not again until into the final table at 9th. I went ahead and laddered into the 15 (I'm not above a lil laddering) then mixed things up a little. I managed to maneuver into the final 12 which was a goal for me because of the final pay jump before final table. At this point I had under average and my main consideration was building a competitive stack to come into the final table with, which was going to mean opening up. I had just watched the Russian on my left go from among the chip leaders to even shorter stacked than myself in one had vs Stephen Graner who I mentioned earlier and just got manhandled postflop with no showdown loosing more than 75% of his stack was really weird. He (Maxim) took his preflop shoves up a notch after that having just shoved all in pre 3 consecutive times in a row. I look down at pp77 6 handed utg+1. I know regardless of if I limp or open, Maxim is going to shove ATC a fourth time and I'm never folding (barring like him shoving and getting a reshove and a call or something) so I just rip it in also expecting him to call with a wide range. Obviously I just said why I misplayed the hand...by just opening small I get him to shove ATC which I just be thrilled to play my 77 against. As it turned out it was largely irrelevant as he woke up with KK and sent me to the curb in 12th. Maxim went on to win the thing, with 2 of the FT players mentioning to me they were surprised as he essentially just continued his no post flop pre jam antics at the final table.



My next mtt was the $600 VDS and I really wanted to go back to back cashes but ran poorly and played terrrrible (as Squintster on my table could attest to) busting out in the first level or 2. Shortly after played the $400+200 rebuy VDS that I got second in last VDS and finding the field soft was able to largely dominate down to the final table coming in in good position to win or place well before the big chop fiasco that I've mentioned plenty and am totally over had me heading out in a disappointing 9th.

Since then almost got that backtoback again essentially bubbling the $400 bounty VDS (hate making excuses but was unfortunate to have 3 table breaks in the last level I was in which is counterproductive to my play style) then played a $200 VDS (I busted out in less than 15 min ergggh AJ < QQ QJ4J5).

Between the tournaments and putting in a lot of work off the tables (both poker related and other aspects) my cash volume has been way down. I'm only playing maybe 3 nights a week live but have picked up some online volume to compensate a bit. Been playing well and winning though not keeping up the 2-5 sessions I want/need to as well as I should.

Finding myself in pretty disappointing physical shape, I'm trying to commit myself to 5 90min sessions a week to bring that back up. Also on a new diet essentially ova/pescatarian which if you follow this thread at all is very difficult for me. Iv'e cut out dairy and even poultry, mostly just eating fish for protein then fruit/veg. I am allowing myself red meat one meal a month. Gf was doing it and I had my reasons for following along and I will admit I feel pretty good from the changes.

Guess that brings me close to current, I'm playing a $200 VDS sat to the $1100 tomorrow and will hopefully win a seat, then have the $1600 VDS ME on the 9th where I'll be gunning hard to go 3 consecutive main cashes. I'll also be bringing a notepad to the VDS main so I can provide a much better/more detailed summation of the action as far as blind levels stack sizes ect in a future update. Thx for reading. Now for a ton of pics:

WYNN ME









VDS STUFF




Had a pretty sweet/intimidating homeless dude thing going on but I have an agreement with the gf that if/when I final table things I have to shave...that crappy 9th unfortunately qualified so now I'm 12 years old.



Big March Madness Crowds and Club Fare






Crowded Pokerz and My Minor Live $ Action






Got a new laptop to donk low stakes online, last one was on it's last legs


Chile Relano Omelet at EggWorks, this place is great breakfast


Took the other day off to just bask around in the nice weather at Sunset Park




Random Dogs Chilling at the Rio



Da Carz (such a sick Datsun restomod)






Ya I think that's about it, should have a poker intensive update after the VDS main. Also the weather is getting great so should be some fun outdoors Vegas stuff to come as well as a plethora of scantily clad bikini chick pics...if you're into that sort of thing. Sorry for spelling errors ect, didn't really have time to comb over this.
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04-01-2015 , 06:13 PM
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What's going on?

I'm going to LV solo in May - am I going to die from the bright lights and glamour? Going for 2 weeks ...
not first time is it? 2 weeks can be intense, would take the life out of even some salty seasoned Vegas veteran trippers so who knows?
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04-01-2015 , 06:35 PM
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not first time is it? 2 weeks can be intense, would take the life out of even some salty seasoned Vegas veteran trippers so who knows?
Yeah man, first time! Going with friends for 5 nights, thought before they get there Id hit Cali for a couple weeks and play poker in LV for a couple weeks. Sheeeeeeeeeeet.
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04-01-2015 , 07:10 PM
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Yeah man, first time! Going with friends for 5 nights, thought before they get there Id hit Cali for a couple weeks and play poker in LV for a couple weeks. Sheeeeeeeeeeet.
eh you'll be aight. just pace yourself. maybe we can up a rehab day or 2 haha.
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