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03-05-2015 , 12:13 AM
Too much FPS. Also, calling the flop bet with the sole hopes of hitting a turn scare card is really bad. The vast amount of times the turn isn't a club and you have to fold to a turn bet.

So its a situation where most of the time you fold on the turn and the few times that you turn what you want, you still have to put in a lot of money to bluff at the pot with little equity if called.

It would be one thing if you had a read that she Cbets the flop too often but if your read is she has at least TP, its a terrible spot.
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03-05-2015 , 01:48 AM
Vegas 2/5 regs open 33 in early position?
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03-05-2015 , 02:26 AM
She seemed a bit tilted like I said but yeah it was a weird EP open...she's def a reg though, see her grinding a lot.
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03-05-2015 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Vegas 2/5 regs open 33 in early position?
was fish in blind? =)
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03-05-2015 , 04:31 AM
I love seeing guys trying to outplay girls only to get owned. A5o with <100bb ? come on now..
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03-05-2015 , 05:25 AM
Yayaya I know I know...tbh though I thought I could range her EP open alot tighter than that so my call was more situational...my cards were largely irrelevant other than the Ac blocker playing a small role in my decisions... Ya maybe she owned me...maybe she made a steaming decision I dunno. Getting a $450 gift and whining is sucky either way though, and as I said I regret the play just for how unnecessary it was at this table.
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03-05-2015 , 05:28 AM
I know she was pissed about a hand earlier she opened with queens and I pushed her off a K high flop with Ax so I probably tried going to the same honeypot too many times too close together.
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03-05-2015 , 07:45 AM
Getting into lots of pots with winning regs seems like a recipe for success. You've got this game all figured out OP.

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Vegas 2/5 regs open 33 in early position?
Given the table dynamics, it definitely meets my criterion for opening in EP:

[x] Expect reg to call light and spew off with Ace high when I flop set.
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03-05-2015 , 01:41 PM
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I know she was pissed about a hand earlier she opened with queens and I pushed her off a K high flop with Ax so I probably tried going to the same honeypot too many times too close together.
this seems pretty spot on---she was tired of getting shoved around & knew she'd been bluffed so she wasn't going to fold. Her reaction if you'd rivered the flush would've been priceless tho...
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03-05-2015 , 02:49 PM
Thx never loses, it is something I'm planning to try much more going forward.
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03-05-2015 , 02:51 PM
Indeed. Optimum scenario would be river flush say "oops" with sheepish grin and watch the ensuing monkey tilt haha
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03-05-2015 , 03:12 PM
With a slowroll thrown in for good measure?
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03-05-2015 , 04:08 PM
Naturally. I would go so far as to say "dam I think you rivered me...wait...wait I have a club".
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03-05-2015 , 08:51 PM
Ha, I sorta did one of those inadvertantly in a tourney. Money went in on the turn with 3 clubs showing and I had QQ. As the money went in and we were turning over the hands I said "I don't have a flush", but the dealer put out a club river before my cards were all the way over and I had to say "Oops, I do now".
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03-06-2015 , 05:38 PM
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I love seeing guys trying to outplay girls only to get owned. A5o with <100bb ? come on now..
This is true. Good female players never fold strong hands (against unknowns) because the likelihood of a bluff is much higher than versus a male.
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03-06-2015 , 06:13 PM
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This is true. Good female players never fold strong hands (against unknowns) because the likelihood of a bluff is much higher than versus a male.
Add to that the fact that she had already been folding so much, at some point she would make a stand...and it wouldn't take flopping a set even for hand strength to make that stand at that breaking point!

Poker is an emotional game already, add in the higher level of emotion found in the female vs a male, and it's only a matter of time. (Unless of course they are truly a pro and spend a lot of time working on their mental game. Even then it will be more difficult for them to lasso that emotional response in, in game.)
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03-07-2015 , 05:50 AM
It's just a math problem. Even if she bet/folds $50 on the turn on all clubs, flop call is still highly -ev. You would need her to bet/fold $100 on a turned club 100% of the time to make the flop call +Ev.

You have some additional direct odds with a turned ace but terrible implied odds and reverse implied odds with a turned ace. Would much rather have a gutshot on the flop rather than a single over card.


It's just a terrible spot to float if your read on her $50 bet in to a 3 way pot on the flop as indicative of a real hand.
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03-07-2015 , 07:28 PM
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You would need her to bet/fold $100 on a turned club 100% of the time to make the flop call +Ev.
could you expand on this? not disagreeing necessarily just not sure I understand you here. anyhow when I floated I suspect TPTK or overpair type hand, also suspected she would bet-fold to clubs and possibly to the str coming in so when both came down I suspected she would release her entire range save for having the clubs herself. I still dislike most everything about the hand, I tend to post more hands that I feel I played poorly which still happens on occasion, usually just FPS issues seeing as posting 'I did (......) and it worked so well and it was such a good play accomplishes nothing.
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03-07-2015 , 07:42 PM
basically without going into it hes saying if a club hits turn and she bets $50 and folds 100% of the time its still not worth it for you to make the play

she would have to bet $100 on the turn and fold 100% of the time to make your play +ev
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03-07-2015 , 08:07 PM
So I had the $600 250k GTD at the Wynn on Thursday. Things started poorly within 5 minutes when I picked up AsQs on the button, 5 limpers so normally this is a great spot for a raise but it's so early in the mtt that I'd like to feel out the players more and feel like a flat on button here should be pretty safe (haha). Flop comes down QJ4 with a spade, it's checked to me and I bet 2/3 pot or so but an EP puts in a little more than a min raise. At this point I think I am behind but make the call expecting a lot of cards can improve my hand here. Turn is a 7 of spades which is just enough to keep me on the hand calling his lead out. River comes the only non-spade card that could make me call another bet...a Q, I make the grudging call and see his boat Q4. Shortly after I open EP with AKos and check-fold on a 5-9-7 flop. so between those hands and a few others I'm down to around 5k from a 15k starting stack in level one. It's easy to lose composure and punt in this scenario so I was happy that I played solid and worked my way back over starting stack. Unfortunately I lost a large pot right before second break when I opened in LP with Ac10c. One of the callers led out on a Kc-10h-Qc flop and I put in a sizable re-raise to which he flats. From this point forward in the hand I lost the minimum when we check-check a red K turn and a brick river and he shows AJos for the flopped broadway. I have to fold another AKos open from EP when I get minraised and I check-fold a 10-8-10 flop. Guy said pp KK and we play together enough I have no reason to disbelieve him. So I was back down to 8.5k after second break, I call a buttons open from the BB with Js8s, flop J high and check-call, then I turn the 8 and chk/raise all in he makes the call with QQ and he's drawing to a 9, 10, or Q, rivers the Q and I'm out.

Also last week I continued pushing into more 2-5, played 3 consecutive 2-5 sessions but the net result was -$300ish, I was disappointed with my play in the most potentially lucrative of these games so have some adjustments to make still.

Last night I got in THE best game I have seen in months (was a few good ones during CES but this was better). This guy was just luckboxing insane hitting runner runner and crazy rivers to stack people left and right then coughing all the proceeds up to anyone with a brain. A few other poor players get doubled and tippled up by him as he knocks out some decent players and next thing you know this 1-2 games is playing massively deep with mostly poor players action driven by the one I mentioned. Only 2 other players are solid and they are banking while I am laying in the grass. I had a shot with KQos against the whale's K10 on a KQ7 rainbow flop but he pushed huge flop turn river into running A - J to make broadway lol... Still this game was amazing and I had the best seat at the table. Before I could profit the biggest dumb clusterfk occurred all because of one moron. This new guy sits down with his wife behind him, buys in for like $150...meanwhile the whale has had his chips partially racked about an hour like he had been thinking about leaving, the dealer mentioned something but all of us at the table said it was fine so they let it pass. This new guy mumbles something about how you cant have racks at the table and me and the 2 regs are like dude it's fine dont worry about it. He shuts up but 30 seconds later he asks the dealer if the guy can have racks on table and dealer says yeah they said it was fine (previous dealer was working floor and was ok with it too). We are just staring at the new guy dumbfounded when 20 seconds later he makes dealer call the floor (shift just changed) and complains until floor has to casually say that the whale isn't supposed to have racks on table, to which whale says "oh it's ok I was leaving" and picks up with his $1400 he had been spewing all over table...FML...when he gets up the 2 other poor players with $900+ each decide it's late too and leave. The 2 regs have some choice words with the fkup guy before also leaving...when the dust clears we have gone down to 5 handed sucky game THEN the dipsht who complained decides to get up AND PLAY THE LIMIT GAME. So just like that we go from epic game to broken table...thx dude.

Not a lot of pics but here are a few. Cash has been only 'ok' but I'm thinking things will continue to be picking up as March goes on and I have high hopes for my tournament action too, the WYNN main on the 15th will be the largest buyin mtt I have played so I'm very excited about that.

pics:
Wynn 250k GTD


Monte Carlo




still smashing MGM but just been 1-2 this week


Bellagio, poker rooms always a zoo but some gem games if you can sift through the mess




despite trying to eat clean I've still been a sucker for these newfound TAP burgers


first I8 I have seen in person...looks better in person but the thing is sick. gonna grab me one of these when I bink a bracelet at WSOP this summer


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03-07-2015 , 08:09 PM
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she would have to bet $100 on the turn and fold 100% of the time to make your play +ev
was just curious of his calculation for this, not saying it's wrong by any means
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03-07-2015 , 08:50 PM
You might like this i8 review.

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It's not a car site but the review has lots of good photos and a decent video.
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03-07-2015 , 08:56 PM
Thx I'll have a look. Hey I just updated but look like it capped the last page so it's on previous page.
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03-07-2015 , 09:41 PM
obv that guy had it in for you and intentionally chased away the whale and then left
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03-07-2015 , 10:51 PM
Lol porkchop stop chasing ma' whales away

Seriously though...the guy threw a 6 minute tantrum stopping the game 2-3 times all about this guy having a rack on the table while everyone at tables telling him to shut up and leave it alone...whatcha gonna do
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