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11-06-2014 , 04:57 AM
played 2 sessions at GVR today 1 just over an hour 1 just under. felt really dialed in again had good reads on most of table and ran some fun/crazy lines with near perfect success...unfortunately this weird static trend continues as I ended -$7 on the first and +$22 on the second. Don't think my results reflect my play well b/c I am just losing in a lot of standard spots, lost another decent one ($170) pot to rivered flush again today.
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11-06-2014 , 06:34 AM
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I think the line looks a little FOS. What are we trying to do with that bet? If all we are trying to do is pick up the dead money, then I think it's a bad play given the 3! calling range of most 1/2 villains which is rich in AX hands.

Honestly, it looks like you're repping KK or QQ to me and I'd probably snap that off with any ace. It's the "big bet don't call me" move which really only gets us called by better.

A typical bet looks better, like 3/4 pot, should accomplish the same thing, but on dry boards we have less fold equity so anyone coming along is likely an Ax.

Kind of a crummy spot to 3! 9T, IMO. It's a hand that plays so well multiway, and we already have a multiway situation set up for only 4bb. If we flop well, we can go for a c/r with equity to spare and then maybe happen to pick up the dead money.

Unrelated, since you mentioned you were feeling good about your game..

Isn't it nice when the game gives us moments of clarity, when we are able to see right through our opponents and make expert plays that actually work? I got this to work in two pots with an aggro player today at 2/5. I checked TPGK on two flops in raised pots (he was raising way too much in LP, almost 100% BTN which gives him such an air heavy range) and induced major spew from him both times. He was doing the super angry power muck, which is really almost as good as winning the pot. But when you have such solid reads, as you say you did in the game today, you don't have to get too fancy. Whenever we catch on to frequencies that are way unbalanced we just have to show up and let our opponents value own themselves.
Great post!
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11-06-2014 , 06:41 PM
How do you get "dialed in" and "great reads on the table" by playing sessions under an hour and a little over an hour? Im not criticizing at all as i love this thread but just curious about how you do that.
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11-06-2014 , 09:31 PM
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How do you get "dialed in" and "great reads on the table" by playing sessions under an hour and a little over an hour? Im not criticizing at all as i love this thread but just curious about how you do that.
good question. I think I mean for the most part dialed in to my game and V perception/hand reading in general especially in the case of the shorter sessions. that said, some of the Vs especially at locals type games I have played with many times so can skip any analysis, others are just plain simple to classify in a very short period of time at least generalizing them to a particular style and corresponding range. in the case of like GVR though where its heavily local and I go often I will typically have played with and developed an understanding of maybe 3 or 4 players at any given table so that cuts down on that time as well.
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11-06-2014 , 09:37 PM
got my car worked on this morning so was dropped off down at the strip at MGM (before i usually wake up even)...JimBeam texted me said he was doing the 1pm @Aria and that Bacon and mrs Bacon were playing some 2-5 +the MGM game sucked and it was far too smokey so i walked over there. watched Bacon and the Mrs beat up on the 2-5 a little (more so the mrs srry bacon saw her scoop a biggy). i wasnt sure when i would get text to come get car so went the little girl route and played a few fun and productive (+$364) hours @1-3. hitting up the Orleans weekly tomorrow afternoon though i may be a late buy in.
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11-07-2014 , 08:40 AM
+1 epic thread, one of the best TR threads I've seen here in years: hotties, poker tables and food, it's got it all... keep it coming, thx
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11-08-2014 , 04:26 AM
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+1 epic thread, one of the best TR threads I've seen here in years: hotties, poker tables and food, it's got it all... keep it coming, thx
thx, should be a good update on monday



so its a disappointing bust out on the orleans weekly only a little over an hour in...guy made bad calls with gutter and hit then said...well the math said call??? I was making it 2:1...anyways that got me down to just over 8k from the 12.5 starting stack. shortly after i !3 with A10 on the button and mp caller (original raiser) donked out large on a KQJ flop, I raised and he put me the rest in with ppJJ for trips...Q on turn had me pretty much dead.

fortunately it would seem that No-lose-November continues on the cash tables as I pick up a rack and change (+$557) on the 1-3 game in a short well played 2 hour session. at one point got in a leveling war with a solid asian LAG reg where we actually were like 4 levels deep on the river action which is completely unheard of at llsnl and was about the more fun hand I can recall this year. guess I outleveled him as I came out of it smelling good whereas he ended up steam/tilting off to the rail not long after.
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11-08-2014 , 07:29 AM
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thx, should be a good update on monday



so its a disappointing bust out on the orleans weekly only a little over an hour in...guy made bad calls with gutter and hit then said...well the math said call??? I was making it 2:1...anyways that got me down to just over 8k from the 12.5 starting stack. shortly after i !3 with A10 on the button and mp caller (original raiser) donked out large on a KQJ flop, I raised and he put me the rest in with ppJJ for trips...Q on turn had me pretty much dead.

fortunately it would seem that No-lose-November continues on the cash tables as I pick up a rack and change (+$557) on the 1-3 game in a short well played 2 hour session. at one point got in a leveling war with a solid asian LAG reg where we actually were like 4 levels deep on the river action which is completely unheard of at llsnl and was about the more fun hand I can recall this year. guess I outleveled him as I came out of it smelling good whereas he ended up steam/tilting off to the rail not long after.
Haha, this usually ends up in me leveling myself because I'm in my own "inception" dream, nice work!

Gonna miss the updates for a week as I'm (not so subtle brag) headed to Miami to cruise the Caribbean, but def looking forward to catching up a good week of chip/food/womenz pron when I return!

4+ month countdown to joining the LVL and those living the dream!!
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11-08-2014 , 09:59 AM
No lose November! I'm with you. All sessions in the black this month too. Was that 1/3 at the Orleans? I wonder if it was one of the Asian LAG regs Ive played against. Was he older in a button down shirt? Or a tattooed forearm guy with earbuds?
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11-08-2014 , 04:49 PM
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a tattooed forearm guy with earbuds?
this I believe
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11-08-2014 , 05:14 PM
This sounds a lot like Sang. He is my favorite Asian hyper LAG in that room. I think between me and Mrs Bacon we are up over 4k from him alone. He can win a lot of money from tight ABC players, but against a level 3+ player, he's like an ATM. He is the only reg in the room capable of bluff shoving rivers, and normally won't get called unless he's run into the nuts. We actually love playing against each other, and have talked about our battles on the felt. I jokingly call him sensei, because he thinks he is teaching me poker. LOL. Good work!
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11-08-2014 , 05:44 PM
A+ thread

Don't know if your comfortable discussing this but what is your overall strategy for the ssnle games?

I find that when im playing them its ill advised to make any bluffs and just stick to a tag abc style.
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11-08-2014 , 07:10 PM
If you're never bluffing, you're just not making maximum profits. There's no catch. LLSNL Players have two common traits; they call too much with mediocre hands and fold too much to 'monsters under the bed'. Both traits are easily exploitable. Value bet, bet, bet relentlessly with our good hands and attack weakness with well timed bluffs (mostly semi-bluffs) when reads dictate it.
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11-08-2014 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BaconMaker
If you're never bluffing, you're just not making maximum profits. There's no catch. LLSNL Players have two common traits; they call too much with mediocre hands and fold too much to 'monsters under the bed'. Both traits are easily exploitable. Value bet, bet, bet relentlessly with our good hands and attack weakness with well timed bluffs (mostly semi-bluffs) when reads dictate it.

Good stuff. One thing that helped me that Id add is: never bluff a donkey, only bluff tight players. Bluffing against donkeys only gets you called. Bluffing against TAGs increases your fold probability.
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11-08-2014 , 07:46 PM
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This sounds a lot like Sang. He is my favorite Asian hyper LAG in that room. I think between me and Mrs Bacon we are up over 4k from him alone. He can win a lot of money from tight ABC players, but against a level 3+ player, he's like an ATM. He is the only reg in the room capable of bluff shoving rivers, and normally won't get called unless he's run into the nuts. We actually love playing against each other, and have talked about our battles on the felt. I jokingly call him sensei, because he thinks he is teaching me poker. LOL. Good work!
dunno, he had a chicago bulls hat on, headphones/buds, shades, was pulling hundos out of some sort of zipping handbag, and he liked to tank often and think things through/try to sweat opponent.

yeah he shot a 2nd level at me on river and when i thought about it i realized he wanted me to level over him b/c he expected that to give him the info he wanted, so to go another level i did the super obvious/dumb looking option which really threw him through a loop. will post the hand later tonight.

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Good stuff. One thing that helped me that Id add is: never bluff a donkey, only bluff tight players. Bluffing against donkeys only gets you called. Bluffing against TAGs increases your fold probability.
true but solid LAGs can also be bluffed b/c they are competent enough to realize where they no longer have any room for productive aggression in a hand in which case they react like a TAG

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A+ thread

Don't know if your comfortable discussing this but what is your overall strategy for the ssnle games?

I find that when im playing them its ill advised to make any bluffs and just stick to a tag abc style.
thx. anyones overall approach should be just that, ABC Tag, consistent c-bets, occasional semi bluffs and scare card bluffs. delving deeper into dry bluffs and repping a thin range (that you dont have) you really need to have a solid read on your V or its flushing $ away in the low limits.

Last edited by wheydacheese; 11-08-2014 at 07:53 PM.
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11-08-2014 , 07:54 PM
Damn, nope. Definitely not Sensei. He's too in love with himself to wear a hat over his trendy dyed hair and never carries a poker purse. That's hilarious, though. I played one night at the Orleans against an overdressed overweight Latino guy who literally had a women's Prada clutch in which he kept his giant banded stacks of Benjamins. I lol'd.
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11-08-2014 , 07:55 PM
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If you're never bluffing, you're just not making maximum profits. There's no catch. LLSNL Players have two common traits; they call too much with mediocre hands and fold too much to 'monsters under the bed'. Both traits are easily exploitable. Value bet, bet, bet relentlessly with our good hands and attack weakness with well timed bluffs (mostly semi-bluffs) when reads dictate it.
you forgot the 3rd trait, conflicting though it is...calling too light and never folding top pair ...why we need to know how to categorize someone before bluffing and/or betting value
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11-08-2014 , 07:57 PM
playing tonight bacon? heading out bout 9ish, not sure where yet
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11-08-2014 , 08:01 PM
I live about 3 minutes from South Point and was thinking about some low stress 1/2 to cap off my evening. All the 2/5 this week is giving me heartburn. Was gonna see how I feel after dinner.
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11-08-2014 , 08:03 PM
Did someone say pokerz??? I'm in if you guys want a third or maybe just grab some dinner
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11-08-2014 , 08:51 PM
yeah id be down for southpoint if anyone wants to, will probably go hit it up bout 9 then. i need a new SP card, would have comps there otherwise. text me if either of you end up going out anywhere; otter'wise will probably go PHO or something.
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11-09-2014 , 12:22 AM
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Damn, nope. Definitely not Sensei. He's too in love with himself to wear a hat over his trendy dyed hair and never carries a poker purse. That's hilarious, though. I played one night at the Orleans against an overdressed overweight Latino guy who literally had a women's Prada clutch in which he kept his giant banded stacks of Benjamins. I lol'd.
I think I played with a few times with him (the over dressed overweight Latino guy) at O8 when I was in town a couple a weeks at the V. Amusing guy. First night he built this monster chip tower from chips from his Prada clutch. Only to request a seat change and then tried to move the tower from seat 7 to seat 1. He failed and had to re-build the tower only to soon move to the bigger O8 game. I found it hilarious.
There can't be two such guy's can there?
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11-09-2014 , 07:24 AM
very fun night at south point w/ mr. bacon...naturally we won $ because well...thats what we do. he can attest to me blasting some sick three barrel bluffs w/air and a hero call or 2...that and dusting off $180 on a super villain dependent read I ended up being wrong on (well sort of right but still wrong kind of thing...) all good though, ran hot and even flopped quad aces still managing to get like $100 in the pot +got a $109 bonus for that. unfortunately didnt get to gut the other deep stack (had been tilting earlier but he ran it back up) b/c I was getting tired after 5.5ish hours from having been playing mostly shorter sessions. ended +$900ish including the quad bonus, at least three hundo of that was from bluffs and light calls though so I feel good about play run good aside. me and Bacon mostly passed off situations...no soft play by any means but I think we both know that we both can make some sick moves but also capable of coincidingly sick calls so probably neutral EV at best for us to clash +he had position on me ...anyways really fun times, will include some stuff in update Monday
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11-09-2014 , 10:55 AM
That was indeed a good time. Out of 5 tables you just happen to get sat 3 seats to my right? What a ridiculously soft table that was, and no, I don't think that was -EV for us at all given all the easy spots that were ripe for the picking. I was pretty much card dead, which I don't really believe in, but kept flopping fairly well enough in cheap pots with the bottom 20% of my range to keep me in the black. Plus, they were so bad, bottom 2 pair was the effective nuts there, or, y'know, quad fricken Aces. The earbuds guy to my right muttered something to himself like 'where'd these sharks come from' when you and I kept dragging down pots before he left. Pretty funny stuff!
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11-09-2014 , 06:11 PM
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I don't think that was -EV for us at all given all the easy spots that were ripe for the picking
oh no I meant given those soft spots it would have been neutral EV at best for the 2 of us to clash in pots, especially given your position on me

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The earbuds guy to my right muttered something to himself like 'where'd these sharks come from' when you and I kept dragging down pots before he left. Pretty funny stuff!
guy shouldn't have asked to see that big bluff earlier, no way he was playing A game after that...he probably should have called board was sooo wet but hes used to beating up on SP regs who would never put him in that spot. then he moves to get position on me and I c/r w TP 2nd nut flush draw flop and crack his Aces all in...nasty for him

I saw 2 or 3 pots (something like $125 all together at least) you would have taken easy if they hadn't made bad calls with gutters (specifically that one guy)

So anyways when I get up to go, the angry golf dude who had also accumulated a deep stack (luckboxed and I guess went off tilt) gets up immediately...like he was only there for me...yeah b/c him playing me deepstack with me having perfect position on him is just a great idea for him...people and their egos lol
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