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09-14-2020 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DBurg
Fights, other violence and an increase in petty crime around the strip and downtown has nothing to do with room rates.

The record downturn in the economy, recently followed by tens of thousands of layoffs in Las Vegas, to be followed by tens of thousands more have created a simmering powder keg in the valley.

The 18,000 employees laid-off by MGM alone accounts for upwards of $1,000,000,000, that's one billion with a "B", in salaries taken out of the valley economy per year.

Barring a sudden turn around in the country's economy and covid19 miraculously disappearing, Las Vegas is on the verge of something never seen in this country. Each ten thousand out of work amounts to five hundred million dollars leaving the greater Las Vegas economy.

I wish everyone there the best.
Thanks.

Can't say you are off on your view, unfortunately.
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09-14-2020 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
IMO we're doing a pretty good job of getting cases down; today our 7-day average dropped under 300. Oregon is the only state with a higher population that has fewer new cases.

It's especially impressive considering there's hordes of YOLO trash descending upon the city every weekend.
Not to mention that potential super-spreader event last night in Henderson, with an indoor crowd of thousands of the "we don't need no stinking masks" crowd.

Thanks a lot guys. Now get the f**k out of my town.
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09-14-2020 , 02:09 PM
^^Those videos are depressing. I don’t think you’ll see this as much downtown. I think people visiting downtown are less inclined to, “keep it real”. If you have an ego you go to the strip not the El Cortez.
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09-14-2020 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by marky147
Firms knocking them out cheap, from what I've read.

Obv better to have them rented out at 50% discount or w/e, and that's the unfortunate result.
I expect Clark County can prohibit any sidewalk use of scooters by folks under 60+ years or non-handicapped. If Metro pushed that as an issue, it could be done in 2 or 3 days.
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09-14-2020 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Liveidiot
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Just a general impression of the Strip at night. Did not observe any fights, but the atmosphere was pretty toxic on Friday night in my view.

I also went to Fremont Street on Sunday, much less testy or threatening, which is kind of ironic. I was there during the day however, I'd still caution against going there after midnight .....

(I grew up on the Southside of Chicago; I'll trust my sense of when it is time to discretely "leave the vicinity". Friday night was the first time I ever got that as a general feeling on the Strip.)
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09-14-2020 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by leon
I saw there was a post earlier opining that raising room rates would bring visitors down to zero, but it seems to be gone now.

It did make an interesting case and shows how people's perspective can be vastly different. Not better or worse, just different. As a frequent visitor to Vegas (I just booked trip number three post-COVID reopen), and someone who is lucky enough not to have to pay for things at the Wynn, raising room rates DEFINITELY makes me more likely to return. I realize this is a somewhat selfish and entitled opinion, but it's the truth nonetheless. I certainly have noticed anecdotally that some of the people walking around the Wynn since the reopen are far more typical of "riff raff", for lack of a better way of putting it.

It's the little things- they're loud. They're rude. They're obnoxious. They walk around the casino without a shirt on (until they're instructed to put a shirt on). Importantly, they seem to be less willing to mask. Is everyone below a certain net worth like this? Of course not. My family grew up poor and my parents didn't make their money until I was in college. So this is not an indictment on poor people per se, but an observation on SOME of the people I've seen at the Wynn post-reopen who were not as much of a presence before.

Logic dictates that room rates, expense and environment has something to do with this. My July TR where I took my kids for the day to Circus Circus, I noticed no plexiglass and loose enforcement of masks at the craps table. That doesn't happen at the Wynn. And we know Circus Circus and the Wynn are like night and day. Room rates, environment, clientele and "feel" are all related.

To me, the more interesting question is, "if I was paying out of pocket at the Wynn, what increase would I tolerate"? Don't know exactly, but I can say if I can afford it I'm always paying more for a nicer place and NEVER paying for Circus Circus. I wouldn't stay there if they paid me.
I think the immediate remedy would be to control access, i.e require a room key from somewhere in town or a local ID to enter a "higher end" casino floor.

Foot traffic alone does not translate into net revenue for the casino.

Close all the clubs except one and make that private for hotel guests and their guests.

(As for you getting comped ....Bet they say "Good luck, Sir" when you gamble there.)
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09-14-2020 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by leon
There's just an element of humanity I will never understand. I come to Vegas to chill, have fun and maybe win some money. Some people are just looking for an excuse to posture.

There are some really frail, pathetic egos walking around out there.
A better term than riff-raff for this type of person is TRASH: It spans all ethnicities, ages, social statuses, and genders.

These are all just trash people doing trash things, because like you said, that's literally what they are there for. To be trashy and wallow in their trashiness.


Las Vegas moving forward needs to handle its trash better. Can't just let them run wild anymore. Need to up the 86ing, up the banning, up the arresting, and up the criminal charges. That's the only way to deal with trash.



Edit: And looks like Wynn is setting the tone, per usual.

Last edited by 27offsuit; 09-14-2020 at 03:12 PM.
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09-14-2020 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 27offsuit
A better term than riff-raff for this type of person is TRASH: It spans all ethnicities, ages, social statuses, and genders.

These are all just trash people doing trash things, because like you said, that's literally what they are there for. To be trashy and wallow in their trashiness.


Las Vegas moving forward needs to handle its trash better. Can't just let them run wild anymore. Need to up the 86ing, up the banning, up the arresting, and up the criminal charges. That's the only way to deal with trash.



Edit: And looks like Wynn is setting the tone, per usual.
Totally agree.
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09-14-2020 , 10:16 PM
In Vegas, Smokers are far more dangerous than “the TRASH”
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09-14-2020 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sooga
Nothing screams 'baller' more than making it rain with an extra $600/week on an unemployment check.

Well the thing is, even though it's an extra $600, many states didn't disperse it until months and months have gone by. So when these people finally get it, they're getting $10,000 deposits.

Combined with they aren't paying for food or rent anyway. So now they have a decent roll to head to vegas and be scum bags.

On a positive note, because of this money, live poker games are softer.
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09-15-2020 , 12:17 AM
Some thoughts from a Vegas regular who has visited 4 times since reopening. Things contributing to the rowdy crowds are:

1. California bars and nightclubs are closed so people using Vegas as a getaway
2. Flights are super cheap across US
3. People who come to Vegas to see shows and shop are not coming, so the rowdy crowd is more apparent

I avoid walking on the strip and freemont altogether.

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09-15-2020 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Jion_Wansu


No, you're right. "They just beat up a girl."

Wynn 'bout to get shafted some more!!!
No, the one I was thinking of is the third one down. Pretty bad and NSFW. At the Flamingo.

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Originally Posted by TheJacob
Isn't $109 a normal promo rate for slow times during the week at wynn?

Pretty sure I've seen $109 everywhere except bellagio
Sounds right. They're always looking for an excuse to raise rates. If they were charging ten grand a night it wouldn't have changed that fight because they weren't staying at the hotel.
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09-15-2020 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
No, the one I was thinking of is the third one down. Pretty bad and NSFW. At the Flamingo
Eventually Covid will be better contained, and more folks will feel safe to travel by air, stay in a hotel, gamble in a casino, and eat in a restaurant, but scenes like the video from the Flamingo brawl will greatly hamper any return to normal capacity.
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09-15-2020 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
I expect Clark County can prohibit any sidewalk use of scooters by folks under 60+ years or non-handicapped. If Metro pushed that as an issue, it could be done in 2 or 3 days.
Sounds very reasonable given the public information that keeps coming out.




Here's an 8 News NOW report from a few hours ago.


Last edited by dhubermex; 09-15-2020 at 03:19 PM.
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09-15-2020 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dhubermex
Sounds very reasonable given the public information that keeps coming out.




Here's an 8 News NOW report from a few hours ago.

Good on this stuff getting into the news. It's the only way that LVMPD and the casinos will get serious about 86ing these idiots. I just got back from a four day trip and while I didn't get ****ed with by anyone, the Strip was pretty hood and Fremont was even worse. I'm a pretty big guy but my wife is tiny and we both agreed that it would be a terrible idea for her to walk the Strip alone. On previous trips this was no problem.

The casinos have suffered quite a bit already, but if tourists start to trickle in and on their trip they get assaulted by some gangsta in a mobility scooter, then that will lead to a very negative image of Las Vegas that could keep potential tourists home. Hopefully the next wave of coronavirus isn't too bad so things back in their states open up so they can keep their garbage over there.

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Originally Posted by Gzesh
I expect Clark County can prohibit any sidewalk use of scooters by folks under 60+ years or non-handicapped. If Metro pushed that as an issue, it could be done in 2 or 3 days.
Can they even do that? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. They'll deny an able bodied 22 year old thug the scooter, then he "falls" and "hurts" himself due to not having his scooter.

Last edited by tox_classic; 09-15-2020 at 07:34 PM.
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09-16-2020 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tox_classic
Can they even do that? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. They'll deny an able bodied 22 year old thug the scooter, then he "falls" and "hurts" himself due to not having his scooter.
If they can ban bicycles from the sidewalk, they can ban scooters.

It’s pretty ironic that the Strip right now relies on exactly the clientele they tried to get rid off for the last couple of years.
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09-16-2020 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
Some thoughts from a Vegas regular who has visited 4 times since reopening. Things contributing to the rowdy crowds are:

1. California bars and nightclubs are closed so people using Vegas as a getaway
2. Flights are super cheap across US
3. People who come to Vegas to see shows and shop are not coming, so the rowdy crowd is more apparent

I avoid walking on the strip and freemont altogether.

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100% agree, I said the same thing about California closed a few pages ago. That's the biggest issue in my opinion.

I'll be in Vegas tonight for the 4th time since reopening, last 3 times I didn't have any issues or see any fights so we'll see how this weekend goes.
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09-16-2020 , 01:12 PM
I personally havent had any issues but definitely saw plenty of sketchy people on the strip. I am heading to Vegas this weekend. If I feel like gambling or visiting another hotel I will simply catch a cheap uber or taxi.

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09-17-2020 , 08:28 PM
By "assault", what does that mean? You just get yelled at or pushed? Something that can be solved with a MagLite? Or are they beating on people or sticking knives or guns in peoples' faces?
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09-17-2020 , 10:29 PM
I’ve seen some fights on the Strip before all this happened. There were plenty of drunk people and if you were outside past midnight there were always drug dealers and hookers around. If you walked around much earlier in the day however there was a much different crowd around. I walked around a few times recently and didn’t feel in any more danger. I wasn’t out there this month though.

I’ve seen several people describe Vegas as a drunkfest with sluts everywhere before all this happened.
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09-17-2020 , 10:49 PM
This is what the Strip looked like at night before the shutdowns. Looks like one of the hookers tried to reach into his pockets and rob him.

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09-18-2020 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I’ve seen some fights on the Strip before all this happened. There were plenty of drunk people and if you were outside past midnight there were always drug dealers and hookers around. If you walked around much earlier in the day however there was a much different crowd around. I walked around a few times recently and didn’t feel in any more danger. I wasn’t out there this month though.

I’ve seen several people describe Vegas as a drunkfest with sluts everywhere before all this happened.
Well... yeah! That's why we go!

I guess I should have asked specifically about these "scooter assaults". Do they just run over your foot? Or do you take a trip to the ER in a big van?
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09-18-2020 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Well... yeah! That's why we go!

I guess I should have asked specifically about these "scooter assaults". Do they just run over your foot? Or do you take a trip to the ER in a big van?
I’ve actually seen a lot of complaints about Vegas being a drunkfest with sluts everywhere (before the shutdowns). But sure, others thought that was great.
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09-19-2020 , 12:46 PM
someone did a drive by shooting last night in front of paris

on a scooter
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09-19-2020 , 01:34 PM
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Sig's, I'm coming to Vegas just to get your autograph.
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