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Originally Posted by rawdawg_7
Nobody plays hands optimally 100% of the time. I don't care who you are. My hats off to you sir for admitting this and posting hands that are misplayed. I also think this will make you a better player in the long run too.
This 88 bet/call wasn't played nearly as poorly played as Neeme played the KQ hand, in his last vlog, where he rivered trips and check/called when the board was four to a flush.
I think Trooper would improve his game if he posted more hands and would listen to criticism and debate about hands but we all know this isn't going to happen.
Dude, its not really about "nobody is flawless" or "nobody plays hands optimally 100 percent of the time". Of course, everybody makes mistakes. But its also about what kind of mistakes you do.
Its more about being able to gauge the crystal clear trends of livepoker at non high stakes, and act accordingly. At least when this is your profession, your work. One of these trends is that riverraises is value like 98 percent of the time, wich Boski also have said countless times in his videos so its obviously a dicipline kind of issue here, not a lack of knowledge about trends in livepoker.
In this particular hand when we went 4 ways to the turn and the single worst turncard in the deck geats dealt, its basic handreading and basic ranging of our 3 opponents that 1 one of these guys is extremely likely to have either a flush or a straight when that turncard hits. Once you see the guy counts out the riverraise you should just instafold and instantly know that your hand is no good. I play mostly cashgames, and i make these folds on regular basis without a second thought. If you are up against a player who is capable of making a riverraise bluff, you will notice pretty quickly. And if not, your set of 8 is beat.
It doesent matter if your high up in your own range,it doesent matter that it sucks to get that runout with top set, it doesent matter that the turn went checked around, it doesent matter that their line doesent make sense and all that kind of higher level pro thinking: all that kind of logic is trumphed by the stone accurate population read that riverraises is value and nutted hands, unless you got proven otherwise or is up against a player you know is capable or showing up with a wider range.Thats it.
This is a trend that is supported by tens of thousands of hours from countless liveplayers, and should have the highest priority when facing these kind of situations. It really is a dicipline exercise in trusting your gut,trusting your knowledge and trusting that what you see is what you get.
Edit: The guy even comments about he was afraid somebody has the A high flush, but when the turn gets checked around he felts more safe with just the second nutz. Lol, that tells you something about how the average liveplayer thinks about poker. Unless they have the stone mortal nutz, they are afraid of putting their stack in. Like is these kind of guys ever raising river for thin value? Is a guy who thinks like this ever gonna commit a large amount of chips to bluffraise a river in a 4 way pot? Its gonna rain in hell before that is happenning.
Last edited by Petrucci; 07-16-2017 at 05:34 AM.