Las Vegas Poker Player Vlogs - Page 507 - Las Vegas Lifestyle Forum - Las Vegas Entertainment and Living Information

You don't mind two friends jumping from one STSNG to another for the whole summer while they split profits 50/50, pool their money together, and imply pretty clearly in their YouTube video that they are bragging about how they play so well together. Then they refuse to play unless they are on the same table in the video?

The only thing worse than colluding is blatantly bragging about it on YouTube so everyone knows what going on.

Not in the least, makes zero difference.. You are the one constantly saying trooper sucks, hop in there and take his money detective.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:05 PM

#12653

mrducks

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,260

I don't care if this makes me public enemy #1 in this thread because it's bad for the game and the integrity of the WSOP and poker in general. This is why people say "poker is rigged" and are afraid to play in live games at casinos.

The Trooper defenders should really think about what sort of behavior they are defending in this case. He is no longer just affecting himself but the image of the WSOP, poker players in general, and the game of poker as a whole. Stop and think what you are defending when you say Trooper is okay to do this and brag about it on YouTube.

SMH

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:06 PM

#12654

mrducks

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,260

Quote:

Originally Posted by parisron

Ducks posted it on NVG.

Is that bad? I figure let people know what's going on and look into this matter.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:08 PM

#12655

parisron

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 19,758

I was just letting everyone know so they could join the show over there.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:09 PM

#12656

nutflopper

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrducks

I actually agree with what youre saying. I just think the burden of proof is a hard thing to prove in situations like these. Even if everything points to collusion. You'd need to find specific spots where they are softplaying each other, chipdumping to each other, passing up on +ev spots vs one another, etc etc.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:09 PM

#12657

gobbo

Trust the fat man.

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,623

Note: I haven't watched the video.

Straight 50/50 chopping there is straight up colluding already. They have literally no incentive to play against each other and to expect them to do so makes no sense. Even if it was 60/40 they could get the benefit of the doubt but this can't be defended.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:11 PM

#12658

nutflopper

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,153

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobbo

Maybe you can refresh us on the Melanie Weisner situation from awhile back? Did anything come of it?

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:12 PM

#12659

Thousand Tigers

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,570

What they're doing is 100% collusion

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:14 PM

#12660

gobbo

Trust the fat man.

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 15,623

Quote:

Originally Posted by nutflopper

Maybe you can refresh us on the Melanie Weisner situation from awhile back? Did anything come of it?

Heard about it vaguely but no specifics. Don't think anything came of it.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:15 PM

#12661

NickMPK

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,569

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobbo

Do you believe a husband and wife playing at the same table is always collusion?

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:17 PM

#12662

parisron

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 19,758

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickMPK

Do you believe a husband and wife playing at the same table is always collusion?

They will generally soft play each other. There are exceptions. But in most cases Yes.
But in the end they are splitting the money so it is collusion.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:20 PM

#12663

mitsi

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,237

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickMPK

Do you believe a husband and wife playing at the same table is always collusion?

a husband and wife playing a couple sngs together compared to Trooper actively skipping available seats to play at the table with his 50/50 split partner over many games and have done so in the past for 10's of thousands of dollars.....

Dont play down possible cheating, it makes you look shady too.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:30 PM

#12664

Turdzilla

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,603

How else do you explain a losing player making money at S&G?

How do you explain that Troop only plays S&G when he is the game with his friend?

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:30 PM

#12665

TexasKK

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 429

If you think there's an issue, you should contact the casino, have them investigate (i.e. watch the tape), and get back to you. Just watching a video of a couple guys playing poker together is simply not good enough to make the kinds of accusations that you're making. Be careful, ducks, you are 100% on the verge of slanderous defamation.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:33 PM

#12666

Natamus

Tripped and Fell

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 16,388

I'm with Gobbo and Thousand Tigers.

I was under the impression that they previously were playing at separate tables before today's video. Now it looks like by what he edited in from 2012 that they were always attempting to sit the same tables and split the profits 50/50.

Ehhhhhhhh that's not good.

And yes Nick, if a husband and wife look to always sit the same SNGs and then split all the profits 50/50 that's no good.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:35 PM

#12667

surfinillini

pessimist

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,405

Trooper isn't bright enough to collude.

He can't even leave his house before 7pm, or plan out a roadtrip.

Sorry dudes, he's not colluding for $125/pop. He was prob a better player back then and being coached by his friends. Now he can't even beat 1/2NL @ Bally's during the WSOP.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:42 PM

#12668

Natamus

Tripped and Fell

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 16,388

Quote:

Originally Posted by surfinillini

Did u watch the video? I've given him the benefit of the doubt on many things, but this was a bad look

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:50 PM

#12669

jfez

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 417

Ducks' exaggerated outrage is lol. Some mod needs to give him a week off so his bleeding finger stumps can heal.

Quote

07-02-2017 , 11:58 PM

#12670

R*R

I wish I was Einstein

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,753

I read all your concerns about me closing the Trooper thread in NVG. I really did want another Trooper thread but it seems this might be aqn iimportant enough issue to lend it some discussion in NVG.

Please just discuss the collusion issue in NVG. This is not going to be another Trooper97 discussion like the one in this thread. I will be deleting off topic and derail posts and banning persistent abusers of this rule.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 12:00 AM

#12671

nutflopper

adept

Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,153

Good work sir.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 12:01 AM

#12672

mitsi

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,237

Quote:

Originally Posted by R*R

nice,
I shouldnt be surprised, but I am.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 12:01 AM

#12673

Natamus

Tripped and Fell

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 16,388

Good on RR, the discussion belongs in NVG where it can be fleshed out without further mucking up this thread.

Quote

07-03-2017 , 12:01 AM

#12674

TexasDolly

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 236

Quote:

Originally Posted by Natamus

Where's our TexasDolly lawyer to clear this up? In pretty sure at this point you only have evidence of shadyness but not of intent to collude. I'm not a lawyer tho

Shadiness, yes. Provable collusion, hard to say.

Defamation by mrducks, also likely. Hey ducks, if you're concerned- talk to jack effel and stop running your mouth on 2+2. Grow up, act like an adult.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote

07-03-2017 , 12:07 AM

#12675

Art Vandelay Poker

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 260

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasDolly

Serious question- how can one truly prove poker collusion beyond a shadow of a doubt? Couldn't any soft play just be defended as an honest mistake? Seems almost impossible to truly "prove" unless you're a mind reader, beyond blatantly making signals or passing cards to each other

Quote

Page 507 of 3113

First

7 307 407 457 487 497 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 517 527 557 607 707 1007 1507

Last

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 507 of 3113

First

7 307 407 457 487 497 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 517 527 557 607 707 1007 1507

Last