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03-12-2017 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
I disagree Steve. Andrew travels more than once a year. He's creative with his camera shots/editing and brings a different type of cinematography via aerial drones, go pros, etc...
He's much more of a knowledge seeker than the OG when it comes to vlogging. I appreciate his willingness to improve and not be content with one formula and merely sticking with that.
There often is a point when Andrew starts talking about hands and I expect it to last around 15-20 minutes. And that takes up a huge percentage of the time in the video. The camera shots, drones, etc. are fun to watch but if I only watched that stuff I would skip a lot of his stuff.

I think his videos are fine; just not as great as some people say. Like I said I still watch occasionally.
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03-12-2017 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
.l;..........

Neeme gets more subs but Trooper makes more money from social media.


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#proveit

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Originally Posted by rtd353
that's because making money is not Andrew's reason for doing youtube. If you told Andrew he would never make one penny from doing youtube, he would continue putting out videos. You can't say the same for Trooper.
truth

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Originally Posted by mrducks
The "poker dream" Trooper is definitely long gone. We now have the "YouTube dream" Trooper which in many ways is the same thing.

While Trooper found a small groove in 1/2 nl games and sat on his hands for years in terms of improving his game and now finds himself just catching up to the current state of the game, which kept evolving while he sat and didn't study to improve. He was able to squeak out a minimum profit to just get by. The same is happening with YouTube Trooper. He built up a small channel and is now content on sitting on it and just churning out the same content (without improving or putting time/energy into advancing his product) for just enough money to supplement his 20 hour a week poler hobby.

I give him credit for creating multiple sources of income but if he focused on just one, he could really get it bigger than half ass-ing both.

I also like him trying to monetize his vlog but his method and timing is horrible. He's trying to cash in for a few grand now instead of building a better brand and going for a bigger score down the road. Once he sells out, it's possible the vlog will take a big hit and will begin to decline in growth rate.

His method is stupid too. Exclusive content? Lol, he has trouble filling his current daily vlog with content. Where will he get anything new if he hasn't gotten it in 1-2 years already. His 2nd option of the tourney lottery is probably illegal but more so is a poorly covered attempt at asking people to give X amount while getting back less than 5% in expected value in return. First, he's not gonna win or top 5 an Aria tourney anytime soon plus he's gonna ask for a few grand to buy into a $150 tourney. It's like Eskimo Clarke selling over 100% of himself and then tanking the tourney to keep the overlay on what he sold. His non mathematical/poker knowledgable YouTube fans probably don't see the disconnect in his ideas.

He's got to get some better business minded friends to help guide him better.
tl;dr
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03-12-2017 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
Why were people so eager to give Trooper money, but don't seem as eager to give Andrew money?
When you look at Trooper, you see a guy trying but falling short again and again so you pity him. You feel for him and his struggles and want to help. Giving him some cash isn't gonna change your life but it will help him get by.

When you look at Andrew, you see someone who is doing okay in life and see that he is on par with you and can just root for him without feeling like you need to help him.

It's a natural human reaction to try and help those that are worse off. It's why you would give money to a homeless looking person (dirty, ripped clothing) but not a guy in nice, new looking, brand name clothes asking for money on the corner.

The funny thing is that there were some vlogs where Trooper yelled and insulted some homeless guy asking for money without seeing that he was probably seeing himself in the homeless guy and was pretty much taking his anger/frustration out in a mirror image. Look at him now, he's actively asking people to give money for his channel when he already gets ad revenue from YouTube. So he's not homeless himself but he's actively soliciting charity from people.

Anyone else see the thick layer of irony here?
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03-12-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mrducks
When you look at Trooper, you see a guy trying but falling short again and again so you pity him. You feel for him and his struggles and want to help. Giving him some cash isn't gonna change your life but it will help him get by.

When you look at Andrew, you see someone who is doing okay in life and see that he is on par with you and can just root for him without feeling like you need to help him.

It's a natural human reaction to try and help those that are worse off. It's why you would give money to a homeless looking person (dirty, ripped clothing) but not a guy in nice, new looking, brand name clothes asking for money on the corner.

The funny thing is that there were some vlogs where Trooper yelled and insulted some homeless guy asking for money without seeing that he was probably seeing himself in the homeless guy and was pretty much taking his anger/frustration out in a mirror image. Look at him now, he's actively asking people to give money for his channel when he already gets ad revenue from YouTube. So he's not homeless himself but he's actively soliciting charity from people.

Anyone else see the thick layer of irony here?

I guess I just find it kind of tilting because Trooper was never really homeless or starving or suffering in any horrible way. He was just being lazy (which he admits). And people were even kind of angry with him for not taking donations sooner.
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03-12-2017 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I guess I just find it kind of tilting because Trooper was never really homeless or starving or suffering in any horrible way. He was just being lazy (which he admits). And people were even kind of angry with him for not taking donations sooner.
It's the enabler mentality. People know deep down inside that the guy isn't really doing the right thing with his life but they encourage him blindly and that helps and keeps him rolling down the hill. Not the first or last time friends or family have enabled someone down a poor path unintentionally.

Also, there are plenty of people out there who have no shame in taking charity when they really don't need it and are fine with lazily coasting through life on the kindness and pity of others.
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03-13-2017 , 12:07 AM
For anyone wondering why Trooper gets so many comments, watch the first 40 seconds of the latest video lol.

Oh and Trooper and Molly finally kissed on camera. Not a huge kiss or anything but not exactly a "we're just friends" kiss either.
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03-13-2017 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
For anyone wondering why Trooper gets so many comments, watch the first 40 seconds of the latest video lol.

Oh and Trooper and Molly finally kissed on camera. Not a huge kiss or anything but not exactly a "we're just friends" kiss either.
Wow, somebody must have said something that really set him off. Must have been something on Youtube because the criticism of him on here has been pretty tame lately.
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03-13-2017 , 12:21 AM
Troop finally felt pressured enough to show a kiss

And by his cocky attitude i guessing he finally did the deed
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03-13-2017 , 12:27 AM
Whoever linked troopers videos to 2+2 in the original trooper thread should take a lot of credit for helping turn him around..I feel without the love from here he would be in that old apt or gone from Vegas

We all pissed him off enough to try and improve
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03-13-2017 , 04:00 AM
Glad to see Neeme get back on track!

Trooper in a good place right now so that's good for him. Poker wise he's OMC as someone mentioned earlier in this thread. Two years later he's still playing 1/2 unconvincingly. At least he is taking pleasure in other outlets (YouTube, Starbucks). Very surprising to hear him say that he spent 9-10 hours editing and working on his mail time video though.
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03-13-2017 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
For anyone wondering why Trooper gets so many comments, watch the first 40 seconds of the latest video lol.
His dislikes:likes ratio is about 1:10 on average. He doesn't even know what having haters is really like. This **** is mild
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03-13-2017 , 10:07 AM
Count me among those who definitely prefers the HH portions of Neeme's vlogs to the other content, although I did like his bar crawl in New Orleans. One nitpick though - in his last vlog he shows himself cashing out before completing all the HHs, so we pretty much were spoiled that he was going to win the big hands.
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03-13-2017 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PLIKITYPLAK
Wow, somebody must have said something that really set him off. Must have been something on Youtube because the criticism of him on here has been pretty tame lately.
Frooper is so easily triggered. He plays a tough guy on camera but anyone watching the vids for a while knows he's a total snowflake.

He "doesn't read" 2p2 anymore and the YouTube comments are super lame (negative ones included), so it's prob just some CTOC type dude sending him blank Starbucks cards again.
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03-13-2017 , 10:35 AM
if Trooper ever finds traction and makes real money from youtube, he's gonna pretend he's Dan Bilzerian.

I actually thought Boski starting his vlogs with quotes from the comment section praising him was a bit tacky, but doing the whole "hi haters" schtick is literally the worst thing an internet personality can do.

guess i'm just hatin...
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03-13-2017 , 11:05 AM
Tim is very short sighted with his YouTube channel and it is the reason that;
A - He is having to scrounge money on Patreon etc
B - why Andrew has smashed him with numbers

I offered Tim some hours of my time to discuss this a year or so ago but he ignored that offer. If you go back far enough in the old 2+2 thread I even called this, the fact he would level off very soon and he overtaken by someone new.
Andrew will continue to increase subscriber base and Tim till continue to be steady with what he has.
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03-13-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OFA
Tim is very short sighted with his YouTube channel and it is the reason that;
A - He is having to scrounge money on Patreon etc
B - why Andrew has smashed him with numbers

I offered Tim some hours of my time to discuss this a year or so ago but he ignored that offer. If you go back far enough in the old 2+2 thread I even called this, the fact he would level off very soon and he overtaken by someone new.
Andrew will continue to increase subscriber base and Tim till continue to be steady with what he has.

I remember u making this offer. Several experts in their field also offered help. Myself included. He declined them all. Someone like this is IMHO destined for mediocrity.
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03-13-2017 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mrducks
When you look at Trooper, you see a guy trying but falling short again and again so you pity him. You feel for him and his struggles and want to help. Giving him some cash isn't gonna change your life but it will help him get by.

When you look at Andrew, you see someone who is doing okay in life and see that he is on par with you and can just root for him without feeling like you need to help him.

It's a natural human reaction to try and help those that are worse off. It's why you would give money to a homeless looking person (dirty, ripped clothing) but not a guy in nice, new looking, brand name clothes asking for money on the corner.

The funny thing is that there were some vlogs where Trooper yelled and insulted some homeless guy asking for money without seeing that he was probably seeing himself in the homeless guy and was pretty much taking his anger/frustration out in a mirror image. Look at him now, he's actively asking people to give money for his channel when he already gets ad revenue from YouTube. So he's not homeless himself but he's actively soliciting charity from people.

Anyone else see the thick layer of irony here?

I wouldn't call it Irony, I'd call it being a Hypocrite!
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03-13-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by surfinillini
Frooper is so easily triggered. He plays a tough guy on camera but anyone watching the vids for a while knows he's a total snowflake.

He "doesn't read" 2p2 anymore and the YouTube comments are super lame (negative ones included), so it's prob just some CTOC type dude sending him blank Starbucks cards again.
I agree on your first point, however I honestly think that he made up an account to monitor what's being said up on here. The dude is super sensitive and cares about what people say about him just look at the you tube comments. He can easily delete them or turn off comments but he keeps them all up.
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03-13-2017 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I remember u making this offer. Several experts in their field also offered help. Myself included. He declined them all. Someone like this is IMHO destined for mediocrity.

Probably because he has NPD.
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03-13-2017 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by teddtbear
Probably because he, (trooper) has Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).
absolutely
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03-13-2017 , 12:00 PM
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If you judge trooper against the youtube vlogger hemisphere, trooper would be slightly above mediocrity.

If you judge trooper against the experienced youtube bloggers, trooper would be slightly below mediocrity.

Only very recently has trooper attempted to "grow" his vlog. Trooper needs to come up with some new schtick, the Molly stuff can only carry him so far, save him so long from a his hatin' self.

Of note: trooper be a hatin' more than your average run of the mill hater
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03-13-2017 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by teddtbear
Probably because he has NPD.
Meh IDK. But I will tell this story

I met trooper when the first thread began. He would roll by the v (I was living in LV and playing full time) - and we'd shoot the breeze. Like all new people to the scene I am quite nice and if I like em I'll buy em a meal (with the excessive comps I had earned) and "give them the lay of the land"

He talked a good game and I honestly thought he had what it took to beat the games

Before he got staked by carl he came to me looking for one. There was another successful pro who I am buds with that sat in on it. The $ to stake a 1/2 player means pretty close to zero to me and I thought it would be a fun sweat and I would be helping someone out

When he outlined his proposal - based on his current (at the time) w/r and his projected hours. I felt that it would be impossible for him to build a roll AND he would be an indentured servant. I told him this and that I could not do this to him in good conscience. I countered with - I would stake him if he had part time employment so that he could build a roll and continue with his journey as an aspiring pro. He obviously declined. I realized at this point his destiny and pretty much stopped watching his videos.

I have been hesitant to post this story. I am actually posting it up in hopes that he has an account here and reads this thread and it does in fact give him a reality check.
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03-13-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Meh IDK. But I will tell this story

I met trooper when the first thread began. He would roll by the v (I was living in LV and playing full time) - and we'd shoot the breeze. Like all new people to the scene I am quite nice and if I like em I'll buy em a meal (with the excessive comps I had earned) and "give them the lay of the land"

He talked a good game and I honestly thought he had what it took to beat the games

Before he got staked by carl he came to me looking for one. There was another successful pro who I am buds with that sat in on it. The $ to stake a 1/2 player means pretty close to zero to me and I thought it would be a fun sweat and I would be helping someone out

When he outlined his proposal - based on his current (at the time) w/r and his projected hours. I felt that it would be impossible for him to build a roll AND he would be an indentured servant. I told him this and that I could not do this to him in good conscience. I countered with - I would stake him if he had part time employment so that he could build a roll and continue with his journey as an aspiring pro. He obviously declined. I realized at this point his destiny and pretty much stopped watching his videos.

I have been hesitant to post this story. I am actually posting it up in hopes that he has an account here and reads this thread and it does in fact give him a reality check.
Smart decision on your part. If Trooper had just an ounce of sensibility, he would get a dealing job during WSOP, even if it is just a couple months, to get some extra money in the coffer to help with the bills. I put it 4/1 that he doesn't get a job.
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03-13-2017 , 12:43 PM
Squid,

Had a feeling this was the actual narritive. Typical story of a poker bust-out always looking for the next stake and never being able to grind out of low level games as a result of poor br management and lack of self awareness/improvement.

I'm sure Trooper will indulge his "fans" with a WSOP tourney package this year. He set one up several years ago going 0/7 in cashes.
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03-13-2017 , 01:05 PM
Why has this thread been allowed to devolve, once again, into a handful of posters posting about how wonderful, expert and magnanimous they perceive themselves to be in relationship to one of the vloggers regularly followed?

Don't get me wrong, one of the reasons I still read this thread is to swim within the postings of borderline narcissistic sociopaths. Partially fascinated, partially disgusted and always reminded of the complexity of the human brain and its capacity for me driven cruelty, this thread and the previous thread are a psychologist's dream.

So, I guess?, keep on keep'n on? Maybe there's a chance the Narc/Socios will realize they are truly damaged souls and seek help. Or...not.

Cheers!
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