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12-29-2016 , 08:46 AM
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What you've seen in the videos is the vast majority of my play over the past few months. When I started the vlog I made a conscious decision to make it the way I wanted it to come out, quality wise, regardless of how many hours that took away from grinding. Which in turn guarantees I would be making less money, to start. Luckily I've been running amazing. So my income hasn't taken much of a dent during this stretch.

I'm going to address this in the vlog but I had a medium sized downswing just before starting the episodes. Between 9/15 and 9/28 I lost $8331. I don't have to tell you guys that looking at these tiny samples is basically meaningless. But I'm well aware of how the small sample in the videos looks skewed to look more positive. I certainly don't claim to be some poker genius and have repeatedly said in the vlog that we're (I'm) running really well, and that it doesn't always work like this.

Also, when I'm analyzing hands in the videos, I rarely if ever say something like "this is what you should do." I often say things like, "I think," "I'm not sure what's best here," "I don't like my sizing," "you can maybe do this or this, I decided to do this," etc. I'm not trying to sell myself as an expert and have no expectations of ever making strategy videos for Run It Once.

I also knew that I would never put in the work required to beat reg-heavy afternoon 5/10 games at the bellagio for a respectable clip (by professional players' standards). So I decided to make videos instead and see where that goes.

Although I have been getting lots of free coaching in the comments, so that's nice.
thx for the info, your vids are dam good so hope that translates to some $ for you. pls ignore the comment coaching, will hurt your hourly fo' sho. btw don't misinterpret me I was defending that if you say your win rate is 'x' there's no reason it cannot be (its within realm of win rate ranges I think?), guy I was responding to said was impossible.
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12-29-2016 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wheydacheese
thx for the info, your vids are dam good so hope that translates to some $ for you. pls ignore the comment coaching, will hurt your hourly fo' sho. btw don't misinterpret me I was defending that if you say your win rate is 'x' there's no reason it cannot be (its within realm of win rate ranges I think?), guy I was responding to said was impossible.
Regarding the comments coaching, you can tell who knows what's up and who's giving ridiculous suggestions. When they say to raise to see where you're at it's kind of a giveaway.

Winrates thing was directed at saltandpeppers guy. I never said I make $70/hr playing 2/5. My 5/10 winrate is closer to that but my sample is too small so it changes with every few results at this point. So I'm not sure where he's getting that number from, if it's something I need to clarify somewhere or what.
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12-29-2016 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
Winrates thing was directed at saltandpeppers guy. I never said I make $70/hr playing 2/5. My 5/10 winrate is closer to that but my sample is too small so it changes with every few results at this point. So I'm not sure where he's getting that number from, if it's something I need to clarify somewhere or what.
2+2 is a no fact checking zone. Here you'll find people just make **** up, whether someone said it or not, just to fit the narrative of the argument they're trying to start. I would take no stock in that "$70/hr" comment.

People starting throwing **** at the wall on what Andrew's "true hourly" is and somehow the number "7" started coming up. Despite the variety of game selection in your vlogs, the fools decided to run with "OOH, hez 5/10 poker player saying he make $70/hour no way! Must prove wrong!!" ....Because it's must easier to make up/fabricate a scenario to start an argument than it is to take facts on the information given and speak accordingly to it. These people live for the fight, it's their vindication. I wouldn't sweat it.
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12-29-2016 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
Regarding the comments coaching, you can tell who knows what's up and who's giving ridiculous suggestions. When they say to raise to see where you're at it's kind of a giveaway.

Winrates thing was directed at saltandpeppers guy. I never said I make $70/hr playing 2/5. My 5/10 winrate is closer to that but my sample is too small so it changes with every few results at this point. So I'm not sure where he's getting that number from, if it's something I need to clarify somewhere or what.
It's a post-truth world
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12-29-2016 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
Regarding the comments coaching, you can tell who knows what's up and who's giving ridiculous suggestions. When they say to raise to see where you're at it's kind of a giveaway.

Winrates thing was directed at saltandpeppers guy. I never said I make $70/hr playing 2/5. My 5/10 winrate is closer to that but my sample is too small so it changes with every few results at this point. So I'm not sure where he's getting that number from, if it's something I need to clarify somewhere or what.
Don't interact with the 2+2 haters and stalkers. You have nothing to explain to anyone.
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12-29-2016 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by saltnpepperr
Andrew runs hot has lots of leaks but bumhunts like crazy. He doesn't make the money he says he does.
Which banned 2+2'r hater and loser is this? Nobody knew who the f*$k you are or cares.
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12-29-2016 , 10:59 AM
The losing player mentality being displayed in this thread is amazing.

Every single person in this thread should seek some form of coaching
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12-29-2016 , 12:03 PM
as a member of this site with over 5000 posts, this is hyprocrtical to say... but reading poker conversations on the internet really is, as the kids say, aids. you're wrong, I'm right. you're bad, I'm good.
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12-29-2016 , 01:50 PM
From personal experience (>5000 lifetime hrs), somewhere between 1/10 and 2/10 players make more than 2BB/hr at $5/10 live. Sure someone can do it for 2 or 3 years, but that could be simply running good short term, for a true lifetime number, you need big hours, and big hours do not grow on trees anymore. You simply cannot find good games worth sitting at anymore in Vegas. I can't speak for L.A./CA., no more than a few hundred hrs to fall back on there.

Win rates are like fishing stories....
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12-29-2016 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
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I also knew that I would never put in the work required to beat reg-heavy afternoon 5/10 games at the bellagio for a respectable clip (by professional standards)..
Games would break shortly after you sit down if you get that good.
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12-29-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme


Although I have been getting lots of free coaching in the comments, so that's nice.
ROFL, I bet!
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12-29-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by saltnpepperr
Breakdown of taxes: Federal, State, SE. Breakdown of insurance: dental/health/vision. Breakdown of CoL in vegas etc is a much better way of presenting the facts over giving general information and expecting the average viewer to break down the numbers themselves.
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People can get that info anywhere and each person's lifestyle is different. It also saves me from being called a liar or delusional if someone misinterprets it.
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12-29-2016 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by my_nameaintearl
The losing player mentality being displayed in this thread is amazing.

Every single person in this thread should seek some form of coaching
Maybe TheTrooper97 would be willing to show you a thing or two
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12-29-2016 , 04:54 PM
^^^
We now live in a society in which some burger flipping wanker living in his moms basement feels he has the right to criticize someone making over
$50/hr.

In poker(life) if there's one rule to follow its listen to those that are better than or doing better than you.
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12-29-2016 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by my_nameaintearl
The losing player mentality being displayed in this thread is amazing.

Every single person in this thread should seek some form of coaching
BOOM replace coaching with counseling and double BOOM
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12-29-2016 , 05:00 PM
This saltnpepper guy is oddly pointed and aggro towards Andrew Neeme...

He was also oddly defensive of arguing that Trooper97 is a winning player and winning players can go 2000+ hour breakeven periods, practically redefining what a "winning player" is.

Just a curious observation.
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12-29-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by saltnpepperr
It appears you intentionally gloss over this part and are trying to sell the sexy james bond poker pro style image which is misleading and dishonest imo.
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You need to go back and watch the video a 3rd time because I literally said

"these numbers are best case scenarios,"
"these winrates come after years of work, even after you turn pro,"
"these numbers don't account for the taxes you have to pay,"
and
"If you want my opinion, keep poker as a hobby. It is extremely stressful and difficult."

Did you only hear like 2 sentences in the entire video, one of which you admittedly misinterpreted?
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12-29-2016 , 05:04 PM
Appears we have a tedious new troll in the thread
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12-29-2016 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
This saltnpepper guy is oddly pointed and aggro towards Andrew Neeme...".
Yeah he obviously holds a grudge against Andrew and seems really jealous and miserable. My prediction that Andrew would start having jealous haters came true. Not everyone is going to be happy for a guy that looks successful.
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12-29-2016 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by saltnpepperr
You're more than happy to give general info about cost of living and general non specific information about win rates in your prior videos. There's no reason why you can't or shouldn't give general information for the uninformed about how much SE and health insurance alone can cut into a professionals monthly income. It's really important.

Only 6.6% of people in the USA are self employed. I guarantee you these people have no idea how much SE taxes or out of pocket health insurance costs. To them the $40-50 winrate looks so sexy but in reality all said and done it's really not. It appears you intentionally gloss over this part and are trying to sell the sexy james bond poker pro style image which is misleading and dishonest imo.

Is it because of ego? Are you afraid you will lose subscriptions? I think you would be doing a lot of your viewers a favor by calling it how it is and being as upfront as honest as you can. I'm sure a lot of your viewers are aspiring pros, and not being honest and breaking it down for them feels kinda gross. You'd even be helping your own bottom line in the process by reducing the amount of tag shot takers in your games.
What planet are you on?

He's making 15 minute youtube videos about poker. He's not testifying at congress.

The grasping at straws here is so asinine.

6.6% of people.... shut the **** up.

Last edited by 2Pair Shakur; 12-29-2016 at 05:11 PM. Reason: Dude is either the Trooper or Andrew stole his girl.
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12-29-2016 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
This saltnpepper guy is oddly pointed and aggro towards Andrew Neeme...
I've been thinking, as social media plays a bigger and bigger role in our lives, that soon there will need to be high school/college classes taught on navigating these platforms, and there will be a section on how to interact with people who comment in various ways on your content. This is a big learning experience for me and I'm still somewhere early on that learning curve.
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12-29-2016 , 05:18 PM
The guy is obviously a multi-accounting troll. Saying that encouraging youtube watchers to play more live poker will make the games harder is just LOL.
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12-29-2016 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
I've been thinking, as social media plays a bigger and bigger role in our lives, that soon there will need to be high school/college classes taught on navigating these platforms, and there will be a section on how to interact with people who comment in various ways on your content. This is a big learning experience for me and I'm still somewhere early on that learning curve.
I'm not sure any classes or anything would help. From caveman times, I'm sure there have been miserable people/troll types, and no matter what kind of education is out there, they will always find an avenue to make their grievances public.
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12-29-2016 , 05:21 PM
We catch up with the most prolific vlogger in LV to talk trolls, trips and memes.



Go check out his channel if you are one of the few who hasn't already: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheTrooper97Vlog
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12-29-2016 , 05:21 PM
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You need to go back and watch the video a 3rd time because I literally said

"these numbers are best case scenarios,"
"these winrates come after years of work, even after you turn pro,"
"these numbers don't account for the taxes you have to pay,"
and
"If you want my opinion, keep poker as a hobby. It is extremely stressful and difficult."

Did you only hear like 2 sentences in the entire video, one of which you admittedly misinterpreted?
true, if anything I feel Andrew went with a more pessimistic view in this video to attempt to disillusion some of the people thinking they could just go and print money
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