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02-13-2018 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by killogram
For most people though the "up-front expense" would never be recouped with vlogging.
A decent camera will run you around $500. Editing software is another couple of hundred.
A computer(and most likely an external drive) will add a grand or so. If you want to go with a Mac(my choice) that'll add around $2500+ . Want to throw a drone in the mix, tack on another $1000. Tripods, memory sticks, action camera(goPro style), extended warranties, etc...So you've dropped all this money and you still don't have a single sub yet and you kind of need all that(minus the drone), just to get started.

Time is the biggest factor though BY FAR, that's why you really have to enjoy the ENTIRE process, it's almost "hobby-like". Timelapses, drone-flying, city shots, uploading, downloading, rendering, editing, etc. Poker Priest I think said it best when asked why he stopped vlogging..."It's the opportunity cost!", especially if you are playing for a living. The 6-12 hours it can take to produce one is a few missed sessions, for very little return...if any.

I think some people got into it for the $$$ and quickly found out there really isn't that much $$$ in it honestly. I'd love the $1.9 per 1000 views to be accurate but I don't think the algorithm is that easy, the $$$ fluctuates greatly, depending on what ads are shown, time of year, engagement country, etc. There are a ton of variables.

Here I'll give you some RAW numbers:
My highest viewed video to date is "I Figured Out The Secret To Poker" it has 65,655 views and a total watch time of 426,401 minutes...my revenue on that $104.
Compare that with "What Do You Mean "Lost"?" which I released about a week ago. It has 16,287 views and a total watch time of 254,859 minutes...my revenue on that is $107

However, when I dig deeper into the statistics I can see that "What Do You Mean Lost?" got a lot higher percentage of views outside of the United States. Canada, Germany, United Kingdom and Australia especially. The ad rates in those countries is higher at times than here in the states.

There are sites like SocialBlade that are pretty accurate in some aspects(views, sub count, etc), on revenue though it appears to be waaaaay off.

"I figured out the secret to poker" probably took me 3 hours to edit. I was doing very little post production work and was just sitting in a hotel room banging it out.
"What do you mean Lost" probably took me 8-10 hours to edit.

I do alot more post-production work now(all the graphical stuff), sift thru a ton of music, email some artists to get an "ok" to use their music, color-correct some things,film alot more(Day 2 of my vegas trip netted SEVEN HOURS of footage, that I edited down to 2 vlogs) thus have to edit alot more but I honestly have a really good time thru the whole process.

Hope that helps

Jaman


Thank you for your honesty. Youtube compensation is confusing to outsiders. Given the humble compensation I appreciate your efforts to entertain more.


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02-13-2018 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Semihat
What expenses are you referring to? I'm not interested in the amounts but what are you spending money on? I would have believed expenses are low if you have the camera, editing software, and computer already because you are hosting on youtube's computers. I thought the only variable is the value of your own time. Thanks.
The value of our time is the BIGGEST expense, but there are others for sure! I think time away from the tables is another large expense...assuming a winning player, an average video probably takes 8-10 hours, which is at least $250 or more per video of "opportunity cost", depending on what level of game you play. Personally, I think it is "worth it" for what I am "gaining" by doing the vlog (enjoyment, sense of accomplishment, creativity, etc) but it certainly isn't financial!

Mr Bill Poker
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02-14-2018 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by thedude404
Think I'll watch the vlog just to witness that.....oh wait the feather folded the open ender.
Then he proceeded to complain that some other guy called with 10-5 which caused him to fold.

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Originally Posted by killogram
I was doing very little post production work and was just sitting in a hotel room banging it out.
I like the way you work Jaman
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02-14-2018 , 12:57 AM
I am an optimist.

What are the chances that Troop at least got laid?

Did he give the win/loss?
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02-14-2018 , 12:57 AM
Kilogram,

Have you ever shared what you do for a living?
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02-14-2018 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by As2s3s4s5s
The bar for poker vlogging has been raised tremendously over the last year.
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Originally Posted by Playlive
If you are a Trooper fan this is what you have now and forever. Get up, no shave, talk about something that makes no sense. Curse about something. Get in car. Go eat some food. Overpay for coffee. Get into a 1/2 game with no hand analysis. Just some philosophical diatribe on why you lost. Once in awhile have Female with epic rack on to save the day. Then tell the haters off or something.

Repeat.
Feels strange that it was only a little over a year ago when Trooper was the only option. Wonder what the next 1-2 years will bring. Jaman didn’t even know about vlogs yet and Brad was just getting started 12 months ago.
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02-14-2018 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by foatie
If you're not counting your "time" as an expense, you're doing it wrong. If it's a source of income that you're treating like a business, you should be compartmentalizing your work into your rate per hour just like poker.

Time is money
Many restaurants take years (3 to 5) to give their owners back the money they've put into it. You're going to have to learn to love the process of iterating your menu, cooking, and meeting/serving people. Vlogging is more like owning a restaurant than having a job. During the early period you don't even think about paying yourself first. Labor of love paid for in sweat equity.

Jaman has the perfect attitude. He's treating his vlogging as a hobby that he enjoys and doing it with professionalism.

Having said that, I really believe that Jaman can make immediate profits from his vlogging by selling Go Gamble hats for Trooper on a consignment basis. He is in a totally different geographic area from Trooper and therefore wouldn't create a conflict of interest. He can have a "Jaman line" of Go Gamble hats.
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02-14-2018 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by thedude404
I was going to comment anyway, but nice added bonus to win a ticket. I guess the vlog was ok. Personally, I'd really like to know why you are in the market for a $100k+ car. Did you cash in some of your bitcoins? Are you really using this as an incentive to try to get to $100k in live tourny cashes? Some more background would have been nice. From a viewers standpoint, it just seems you want to own a really expensive car for whatever reason as the Jeep and the Tesla are pretty much on the opposite ends of the spectrum in several regards. I personally dont understand buying an expensive new car straight off the lot....immediate depreciation is a killer. Rather spend $40k on something like a 67 Cadillac Eldorado which is guaranteed to go UP in value, unless the economy completely tanks. Plus, it's a pretty cool car. But it's your money.....
Don't try to make sense of it, most ppl are megawhales when it comes to cars, particularly if they have some money
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02-14-2018 , 11:42 AM
Feather should quit poker , in pokerkraut vlog a few week ago he relays a hand history from the neeme meet up game where he just check folds queens on a ten high rainbow flop after cold calling a 3bet from brad Owen OOP. Then Makes a remark about the other guy in the pot for folding a flush draw then does the same himself in troopers vlog only feather has got a straight flush draw against 2 fish

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02-14-2018 , 11:48 AM
Poker needs these types. Don't tap the tank.

Who wants to play with a bunch of crushers?
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02-14-2018 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Registered 2018
Having said that, I really believe that Jaman can make immediate profits from his vlogging by selling Go Gamble hats for Trooper on a consignment basis. He is in a totally different geographic area from Trooper and therefore wouldn't create a conflict of interest. He can have a "Jaman line" of Go Gamble hats.
I'm pretty sure that Jaman has a good job, plus he makes a pretty good hourly playing 2/5. The only reason that he would sell "Go Gamble" products would be to support Trooper, not because he needs the money.
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02-14-2018 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenophon

I'm pretty sure that Jaman has a good job,
R&D IT Development Technical Lead, Monsanto Company (linkedn)
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02-14-2018 , 01:04 PM
Johnnie Vibes videos don't get enough love/conversation in this "90% all things Trooper thread". He is putting out some good stuff and enjoy seeing his hand analysis/thought process as well.
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02-14-2018 , 01:40 PM
Welcome to the interwebs. Most guys just want to hate on terrible stuff, good content rarely gets appreciation
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02-14-2018 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenophon
I'm pretty sure that Jaman has a good job, plus he makes a pretty good hourly playing 2/5. The only reason that he would sell "Go Gamble" products would be to support Trooper, not because he needs the money.
Yes he would be a great help to his friend Trooper in terms of brand building and some cash flow, a guy that helped inspire him to vlog and also gave him some guidance early on.

Jaman most certainly does not need the money but even if he makes $800,000 a year in his real job, the vlogging is a separate activity from that job that should be analyzed separately from a money flow perspective.

There can be great synergy if he sells Go Gamble hats for Trooper and showing the process in his vlog. Jaman has a great sense of humor and that would show in the content.

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02-14-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
R&D IT Development Technical Lead, Monsanto Company (linkedn)
Impressive resume. See kiddies go to college.
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02-14-2018 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Registered 2018
Yes he would be a great help to his friend Trooper in terms of brand building and some cash flow, a guy that helped inspire him to vlog and also gave him some guidance early on.

Jaman most certainly does not need the money but even if he makes $800,000 a year in his real job, the vlogging is a separate activity from that job that should be analyzed separately from a money flow perspective.

There can be great synergy if he sells Go Gamble hats for Trooper and showing the process in his vlog. Jaman has a great sense of humor and that would show in the content.
Who would want to do business with Troop?
  1. Weight loss bet?
  2. I wasn't invited?
  3. PA loan?
  4. Constant string of obsenities?
  5. AARP status?
  6. Losing player at minimum stakes?

Not a relationship an IT professional and mid-stakes winner should cultivate.
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02-14-2018 , 05:27 PM
http://www.americanpokerawards.com/f...oses-thursday/

Vote for Andrew! or whoever you want.
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02-14-2018 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mumph
http://www.americanpokerawards.com/f...oses-thursday/

Vote for Andrew! or whoever you want.
I voted for Neeme a few weeks ago. Don't know if he can win against the "big guns" of Negreanu and Polk, but even getting this far shows how far the Vlogosphere has come! Nice job Andrew!!
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02-14-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Turdzilla
Who would want to do business with Troop?
  1. Weight loss bet?
  2. I wasn't invited?
  3. PA loan?
  4. Constant string of obsenities?
  5. AARP status?
  6. Losing player at minimum stakes?

Not a relationship an IT professional and mid-stakes winner should cultivate.
so true, if you want to help Troop buy him a Starbucks gift card
if you really want to help him buy him a hooker.

But do bidness with him? Sheeeeeet no.
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02-14-2018 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
R&D IT Development Technical Lead, Monsanto Company (linkedn)
Now I'm curious what in tarnation is 'Rex Ralph!'..
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02-14-2018 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Turdzilla
Who would want to do business with Troop?
  1. Weight loss bet?
  2. I wasn't invited?
  3. PA loan?
  4. Constant string of obsenities?
  5. AARP status?
  6. Losing player at minimum stakes?

Not a relationship an IT professional and mid-stakes winner should cultivate.
He's still a few years away from that..
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02-14-2018 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
Now I'm curious what in tarnation is 'Rex Ralph!'..

1. Working backwards from his college dates, it seems aged 5-10
2. First guess, elementary school
3. Google "Rex Ralph school" you get one in Cincinnati, which I think is Jaman's home town.
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02-14-2018 , 09:03 PM
Neeme has just made an official statement about his nomination...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRLFrTPZA4
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02-14-2018 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Registered 2018
Neeme has just made an official statement about his nomination...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYRLFrTPZA4


Linking your fans to your competitor’s channel. Neeme is pure class. Would get my vote for that alone.


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