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12-07-2016 , 03:21 AM

#1551

wheydacheese

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new vid up

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12-07-2016 , 05:23 AM

#1552

rtd353

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

Haven't seen the latest video yet but I was at a nearby table yesterday and when I looked over at Trooper he seemed really unhappy and even looked pretty angry/frustrated IMO. He gave off a really bad vibe and I've never seen him look that way before in the small number of times I've seen him. Shortly after that he left. I could see why he would have left.

do you think it was because of the filming ban thing or do you think he is just getting burnt out again? i know if i put in over 100 hours in 2 weeks i wouldn't be able to get excited about playing poker again for at least another 3 or 4 weeks.

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12-07-2016 , 06:18 AM

#1553

DBurg

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 207

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Originally Posted by wheydacheese

new vid up

Hey Whey!

Liked your last video. Hope you and all the other down to earth poker vloggers continue to have the opportunity to vlog some hands.

On a side note, I noticed something, could be nothing, me misreading camera angle, etc. But, it really looks like you are exposing your cards to the player on your left. Thought I'd mention.

Keep on, keep'n on!

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12-07-2016 , 06:22 AM

#1554

wheydacheese

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ya the way I peel them for cam 100% could be seen so I try to be very aware of the timing ect. would be very cool for some room(s) to come out and say we could film but seems unlikely at best. still will pump out some fun vids and have ideas should the hands at table be totally crushed so not sweating it one way or the other

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12-07-2016 , 09:41 AM

#1555

Stormtrooper97

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Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 1,224

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Originally Posted by wheydacheese

new vid up

Found link to that story .. Wow

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12-07-2016 , 10:21 AM

#1556

Steve00007

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Originally Posted by imdrax

That K8hh hand, wow. His thought process on every street is just wow.

I think his hand discussions are far more interesting than any video he shows of himself folding at the poker table. I prefer that type of discussion from him far more than a little table action (when he usually just shows himself folding anyway; as others have said Andrew has a much bigger problem with video not being allowed).

I would have lost a lot more on that hand than he did. Still would have played it much differently but whatever.

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12-07-2016 , 11:33 AM

#1557

w00t

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Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,561

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Originally Posted by imdrax

That K8hh hand, wow. His thought process on every street is just wow.

To use Pokerkraut type wordage, "unfuken believeable" !

Does trooper reraise in an attempt to get the guy to lay down Ace high flush ? ... nope ... Trooper reraises thinking the guy has trips ... doesn't even think for a second the guy might have a boat or nut flush. And you are nearly never getting the villain to lay down the nut flush. I myself would have flat called the villains bet, and unlike trooper, I would not have been " shocked" I lost.

trooper simply doesn't "get" poker

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12-07-2016 , 11:51 AM

#1558

w00t

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Does trooper think raising with the non nut flush with a paired board on the river is going to get called by a worse hand ?

If he thinks that, he's doomed to be a losing poker player.

trooper doesn't "get" $1/2 poker.

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12-07-2016 , 12:19 PM

#1559

LVGrinder99

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Originally Posted by w00t

He should take time off of poker and vlogging and get his mental game stronger. Since he completed his challenge and talked about his winrate so proudly he's back to the old TheTrooper. Already down $1,000 and tilting. The fella really is mentally weak and needs to get stronger. Any obstacle and he's ready to quit. No backbone at all.

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12-07-2016 , 12:39 PM

#1560

wilson1560

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Originally Posted by w00t

I am definitely in the Trooper fanclub, but that hand is concerning moreso because Trooper seems to think he played it well and just got massively unlucky than because he played it poorly. Everyone makes bad plays in the moment, but you have to be able to recognize those instances to improve. Trooper at 1/2 the only person you are going to level is yourself if you keep trying to balance your range or make plays with clear fold hands like K8 suited. You did not get unlucky, you tried to get fancy and paid the price. You were so focused on what you thought the villain thought you had, you forget to properly think through what hands he likely had.

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12-07-2016 , 12:41 PM

#1561

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Originally Posted by imdrax

That K8hh hand, wow. His thought process on every street is just wow.

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

I would have lost a lot more on that hand than he did. Still would have played it much differently but whatever.

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Originally Posted by w00t

Interesting that there's been so much discussion about this K8 hand, but no discussion at all about any of Whey's hands. Or does everyone believe that it is appropriate to limp pocket jacks utg, then just call the preflop raise from a lag in late position, and then go check-call on a 10-high flop, check-call the turn, and then check the river?

If so, then I've been playing the pokerz wrong for many years.

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12-07-2016 , 01:07 PM

#1562

Hellmuth was right

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Originally Posted by w00t

What was the board?

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12-07-2016 , 01:13 PM

#1563

w00t

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I think the flop gave trooper 4 to a flush, turn gave him the K high flush, the river paired the board, and he lost to the nut flush.

trooper never considered the villain might have a boat or nut flush

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12-07-2016 , 01:14 PM

#1564

Hellmuth was right

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Originally Posted by DC2LV

Interesting that there's been so much discussion about this K8 hand, but no discussion at all about any of Whey's hands. .

Whey is not a Youtube celebrity with tens of thousands of fans from all over the world.

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12-07-2016 , 01:39 PM

#1565

timfbmx

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Originally Posted by DC2LV

You sound like a mtt player. Did you not listen to his reasoning for how he played it every street? I thought his line and thought process made perfect sense to me. How would you have played it different in those circumstances and why?

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12-07-2016 , 03:11 PM

#1566

pocket_zeros

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Originally Posted by w00t

In a standard 1-2NL game the 2nd-nut flush on a paired board can get called by a worse hand more often than getting called/raised by a better hand, thus is +EV. However this presumes reasonable bet sizing but he raised far too much.

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12-07-2016 , 03:29 PM

#1567

pocket_zeros

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12-07-2016 , 03:58 PM

#1568

Hellmuth was right

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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros

Yep it all just depends on the number of fh + nut flush combos vs combos of smaller flushes villain can have. Trooper didn't say what the board was, but if it was like a 2236Q board then raising on that board is prob fine because villain will have more smaller flush combos than nut flush + fh combos.

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12-07-2016 , 04:05 PM

#1569

Hellmuth was right

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Originally Posted by bottled water

Steve-O. Glad to see you're back on the bandwagon. For a moment I thought we lost you there. Now get back to posting 15 times a day in this thread.

Hi creamofthecrop, glad to see you made it back!

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12-07-2016 , 04:51 PM

#1570

pure_aggression

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Exploration Peak

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12-07-2016 , 05:52 PM

#1571

Steve00007

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Originally Posted by DC2LV

I haven't watched that yet. I definitely want to watch his stuff because the videos I did watch were interesting. Whey plays much differently than I do but he also has a really impressive winrate in the games he plays in so I assume he is doing something right.

The part about the K8 hand I disagreed with the most is the turn. I'd raise the turn. People have criticized him before for not putting enough money in when he is ahead.

I don't think Trooper was as tricky as he thought. Flushes on the board are really easy to see, people tend to be too afraid of them, and sometimes players will slowplay a flush and wait until a later street to raise.

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12-07-2016 , 05:54 PM

#1572

wheydacheese

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this young aggro player is so wide here (but NOT a bad player) so hes easily dropping most his hands to a raise pre, he is also folding to a check raise flop so no turn bet from him for me to get $. I admittedly spazz sometimes and I try to include that in vids as well but the particular hand you mentioned is absolutely unequivocally the max value line vs this player oop. sometimes you have to take risks when you think you know where you are in a hand to max value vs a particular opponent.

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12-07-2016 , 06:01 PM

#1573

wheydacheese

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as for the K8hh hand...I'm not ever assuming I would be beat on that hand BEFORE the river so I would have likely tried to build the pot on earlier streets...once the river pairs against many 1-2 opponents this is NOT the time..V at 1-2 could have easily played all smaller sets that filled river like this line...so yeah weird one b/c I'm probably losing as much possibly more than trooper here but its going to be $ thats going in before that river, once rive comes I'm probably just flatting b/c I'm obvs massive nit.

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12-07-2016 , 06:37 PM

#1574

wheydacheese

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i have to go rewatch, I know the board was paired Jacks...if theres a card like 8 9 or 10 out there its going to increase the likelihood of V having filled on river as well

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Found link to that story .. Wow

btw thx for digging that up! total madness eh?

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12-07-2016 , 07:37 PM

#1575

Steve00007

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I'm okay with Trooper playing K8s and disagree with comments on here and Youtube that he should fold it. He was on the BTN, faced a limper and raised it up. IMO that's fine.

I do think he could get called on the river with worse, but I just don't get to the river like that because I would have built up the pot much earlier. And I definitely would include boats and ace high flushes in villains range. I'd also throw in worse flushes too. I wouldn't just assume villain must have a jack although it is a possibility there.

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