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07-28-2017 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
You have to be the most miserable person in this thread.


Excellent contribution as always. Tell us more...
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07-28-2017 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Excellent contribution as always. Tell us more...
You still but hurt from where I called you out for being a hypocrite?
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07-28-2017 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Me2theEV
....he just profited a decent six figures off his rental and said he has plans on what to do with it. I'm going to go with he's not miserable.
Profit but not that large, you confused the sales price with pretax profit.
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07-28-2017 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Czechos
"Here's some advice for all you aspiring poker pros. Live streams are supposed to be fun. People don't want to watch a giant nit fest...they can go and play in one of those games at their local card room. Wearing shades, keeping to yourself and just grinding won't get you invited to great games in the future. If you're folding value hands to the one giant spot in the game because you only want to make the nuts...you're doing it wrong. Make poker fun again!"
What I would do is play my normal snug style but copy Phil Laak in trying to unleash an endless stream of chatter. That may not be perfect for how the steam is done. I actually have some mentally rehearsed conversational set pieces that I try to work into a game to avoid coming across as that quiet grinder who is an obvious pro.

Since I won't be able to watch until maybe Sunday, I'll say that I'd also consider limping more to induce more multiway pots because that creates more potential for the fireworks that some viewers crave. I don't know if that actually happened.
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07-28-2017 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by YSter
Who the **** are you anyways?
Lol, thats rich

Who the **** are either of you?

Two Trooper/Lemon gimmicks in a gimmick thread

Nice to see some 2013 Lemon Gimmicks are stil around trying to grind the Vlog life behind the scenes

You guys got any new scripts in the works? This poker vlog stuff is getting lame IMHO.
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07-28-2017 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by YSter
lols. If you were watching the live stream, maybe you would notice Rayz didn't get any cards for the first hour.
Is acting like a donk good for poker? Because you playing horribly doesn't want me to go play poker. Some guys take it seriously and some guys go gamble.
Rayz will continue to crush while you provide entertainment for everyone. Seems like your jealous.
Can someone tell me who won the most money in this game? You won't invite Rayz back because you know he will crush your soul again. That guy was the best at the table and it wasn't even close. Get a ****ing life dude.
Everyone knew Rayz would come out on top. Who the **** are you anyways?
If you watched the live stream you would have noticed I played every single hand and didn't win one of them...but that didn't stop me from advertising. Despite you claiming watching me doesn't make you want to go play poker I bet it does. In fact I bet it makes you salivate at the thought of all the donks you can go beat up on. If a poker table was filled with 9 Rayz then the only winner would be the house...and unfortunately for poker it seems to be heading in that direction.

As for inviting him back to the game, I'm not responsible for that. I would however guess that calling out the commentators (specifically Bart Hanson) as low level thinkers probably didn't help his case. You may not like or agree with everything Bart says or does but to insult a guy who runs a successful poker training site when you grind 1/2 is laughable.

I have to assume you coming to Rayz defense means not that you agree with how he played and acted but rather that you know him personally. If that's the case you should seriously pass along this info. I'm sure he's a great guy, but the image he displayed not only at the table but more specifically on a live stream that's supposed to be of fun poker vloggers is awful. Kraut is a perfect example of someone who can play a tighter value range and still give off the appearance that he's splashing around having a great time. That's the key to live poker. I don't think anything I've said pertaining to him has been rude. I can get behind playing like a nit...in fact I'm a huge nit. But the least he could do while folding everything that didn't look like QQ+ was take off his sunglasses and enjoy himself.

As for who I am, obviously a nobody. However if you can get Rayz to agree to a heads up freezeout of at least 5k I'll either find my way to him or possibly fly him out to me. We could do 5 1k matches so no one has to cry about variance. It's clear I enjoy donating and it would be fun to see what he does when his cards don't match. Perhaps stones could agree to hosting this.
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07-28-2017 , 07:00 AM
In other news, I've never enjoyed getting soul read until this hand. Probably doesn't hurt that I sucked out real bad And as I've said a number of times across many platforms major props to Hello7027. Dale attacked the whale when most would rather just wait for the nuts. He had a great demeanor despite running bad and losing.

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07-28-2017 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by wiper
grunching (obv), but someone wanna tl;dr the last 400 posts?
Just standard trooper bashing and mrducks now calls himself Roast King.
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07-28-2017 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Just standard well deserved trooper bashing and mrducks now calls himself Roast King

Also PokerKraut joked about being broke and there was some interesting chatter about the vloggers game. BikeKing has a bit of an ego and Charles seems to have a pretty good personality to him, worth the sub.

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07-28-2017 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Czechos
If you watched the live stream you would have noticed I played every single hand and didn't win one of them...but that didn't stop me from advertising. Despite you claiming watching me doesn't make you want to go play poker I bet it does. In fact I bet it makes you salivate at the thought of all the donks you can go beat up on. If a poker table was filled with 9 Rayz then the only winner would be the house...and unfortunately for poker it seems to be heading in that direction.

As for inviting him back to the game, I'm not responsible for that. I would however guess that calling out the commentators (specifically Bart Hanson) as low level thinkers probably didn't help his case. You may not like or agree with everything Bart says or does but to insult a guy who runs a successful poker training site when you grind 1/2 is laughable.

I have to assume you coming to Rayz defense means not that you agree with how he played and acted but rather that you know him personally. If that's the case you should seriously pass along this info. I'm sure he's a great guy, but the image he displayed not only at the table but more specifically on a live stream that's supposed to be of fun poker vloggers is awful. Kraut is a perfect example of someone who can play a tighter value range and still give off the appearance that he's splashing around having a great time. That's the key to live poker. I don't think anything I've said pertaining to him has been rude. I can get behind playing like a nit...in fact I'm a huge nit. But the least he could do while folding everything that didn't look like QQ+ was take off his sunglasses and enjoy himself.

As for who I am, obviously a nobody. However if you can get Rayz to agree to a heads up freezeout of at least 5k I'll either find my way to him or possibly fly him out to me. We could do 5 1k matches so no one has to cry about variance. It's clear I enjoy donating and it would be fun to see what he does when his cards don't match. Perhaps stones could agree to hosting this.
Dude dont be that guy .Talking that i will play headup for rolls crap. You played your game he played his. It was a 4 hour poker game get over it. Instead of issuing challenges to players
makes you look insecure.
Not trying to be a dick you seem like
a good guy.

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07-28-2017 , 09:14 AM
By the way you talk about image at the table Neeme looked baked layedout on the table could not even sit up straight
( love neeme) But why the free pass why Rayz gets dogged on.
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07-28-2017 , 09:27 AM
Please don't reinvite the guy who was in seat 2 for the next game

Thanks
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07-28-2017 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Czechos
Hey guys been a minute since I've posted in here So I have to say I mostly agree with this. The main purpose or idea behind a live stream, especially one that's of vloggers all playing poker with one another, would in my opinion be about entertainment. It was originally supposed to be a 5/5NL game but we lowered the stakes in hopes of creating a looser atmosphere at the table. It would also allow for some straddles and restraddles. I've played at stones once on stream where it was apparent everyone was playing bigger than they were used to and it was unwatchable. As for something going on behind the scenes, I'm not aware of anything strange happening.



No I didn't expect everyone to play like AIDS, but I do expect when I'm repeatedly putting in a dark 24 and 48 in a 1/3 game that other players might at least think about straddling to 6. In live poker image is everything. As I stated on instagram

"Here's some advice for all you aspiring poker pros. Live streams are supposed to be fun. People don't want to watch a giant nit fest...they can go and play in one of those games at their local card room. Wearing shades, keeping to yourself and just grinding won't get you invited to great games in the future. If you're folding value hands to the one giant spot in the game because you only want to make the nuts...you're doing it wrong. Make poker fun again!"

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXDwoWrBDy6/

Of course tight aggressive poker is winning poker but sometimes you have to open up a little for the sake of the game. Given this was for fans of vloggers it would seem like the perfect opportunity to do so. Look at Dale "Hello7027". It's my understanding that he's generally pretty tight but he came to ****ing play! The game played bigger than he is used to and he stepped out of his comfort zone. I applaud his effort even if the results were bad. He made a sick call and got unlucky to lose vs me and then got coolered by kraut.

Can you imagine how I would have done in this game if I got Rayz card distribution? If I played my normal NL game I might have played less than 5 hands all night. Neeme and Brad were handcuffed because they were to my immediate right and understand that I was attacking and defending so wide that it would make their life hell if they didn't have the goods. Add to this that they would also have to beat the super strong range of those few in the seats before them I think there wasn't much they could do.

I tried my best to create a fun atmosphere and played like a 90% VPIP. I expected to come and lose because of playing like a maniac, I'm not stupid. My hopes were that I would eventually make a hand and as a result of my image get paid off. Unfortunately that never ever happened. For those who wanted numbers, I lost 2100 which included a couple of drink orders for the table that tallied about ~$150

Anyway I'd hope in the future if something like this happens again players would try harder to create a more lively atmosphere. I think kraut is a perfect example of this. He plays fairly tight but his demeanor at the table is fun and friendly. This goes so far in live poker and I would hope some other grinders would pick up on that. Ok this diatribe has reached its limit, Thanks if you made it this far 👍🏼 I'll most likely be talking about a couple of the crazier hands on the vlog in the future. Headed to SD this weekend and my sons come down with a fever so it might be awhile.
Great poast sir. A live stream is spoda b fun. Should be drinking and splashing. Its an opportunity to grow your channel. Show that you are a real guy that makes the game fun. Wearing shades seems beyond silly to me and counterproductive.

You have my respect
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07-28-2017 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by YSter
lols. If you were watching the live stream, maybe you would notice Rayz didn't get any cards for the first hour.
Is acting like a donk good for poker? Because you playing horribly doesn't want me to go play poker. Some guys take it seriously and some guys go gamble.
Rayz will continue to crush while you provide entertainment for everyone. Seems like your jealous.
Can someone tell me who won the most money in this game? You won't invite Rayz back because you know he will crush your soul again. That guy was the best at the table and it wasn't even close. Get a ****ing life dude.
Everyone knew Rayz would come out on top. Who the **** are you anyways?
Of all the fanboy posts in this thread, this one may actually be the worst.

Congrats on that.
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07-28-2017 , 10:36 AM
Which one was Tropper?
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07-28-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Great poast sir. A live stream is spoda b fun. Should be drinking and splashing. Its an opportunity to grow your channel. Show that you are a real guy that makes the game fun. Wearing shades seems beyond silly to me and counterproductive.

You have my respect
Enough with grow the game. The boom is done with. Nothing no matter how nice everyone becomes is going to get the game to where it once was. Ray got invited to play and he played his game. He shouldn't have to change his ways for your pleasure.
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07-28-2017 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp
Just because you have more cash doesn't necessarily mean you'll want to jump up to bigger stakes.

You can instead use that new cash for other means of passive income while you keep grinding the (easier) lower stakes games and make the same income you would grinding the bigger games but with less stress and diversified risk.

High stakes is not necessarily the goal.
I don't think 1/2 is a real "realistic" way of providing for oneself, especially with a family and children. To be fair, he's probably not reporting most of his income at that bracket and collecting benefits (I'm making assumptions here and could be totally wrong). If that's the case, a lot of his money is locked. Idk where he's at in life, but I guess he can manage through from here on out without any real purchases.

If he got a huge inflow of cash, he should be striving at all cost, to make the transition to 2/5 at the very least. Yes 5/10 is when things get tricky, but the skill jump from 1/2 to 2/5 isn't that far reached. His hourly will find a huge increase and as he gets comfortable, his max win rate will increase. Life will be better overall. The risk, the variance, barely goes up imo.

Everyone should strive to get to 2/5 minimum. Esp if you're playing for a living.
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07-28-2017 , 10:48 AM
Most people ITT tap the tank more than they grow the game.
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07-28-2017 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LiveActionPro
Enough with grow the game. The boom is done with. Nothing no matter how nice everyone becomes is going to get the game to where it once was. Ray got invited to play and he played his game. He shouldn't have to change his ways for your pleasure.
I honestly think the whole vlogging thing is going nowhere any way. I have zero dog in this fight (or show or what ever). That being said - my thought is the vloggers got together so they could cross promote/get some synergy going. I may be totally wrong. Of course its his rayz call to do whatever he wants. All I am saying is sporting the shades etc seems very counterproductive to the whole purpose of the game...AND i respect the other dude for his trying to liven things up etc.
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07-28-2017 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by foatie
Most people ITT tap the tank more than they grow the game.
Yeah, but we're trying to help Trooper
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07-28-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheAdvantagePlayer
I don't think 1/2 is a real "realistic" way of providing for oneself, especially with a family and children. To be fair, he's probably not reporting most of his income at that bracket and collecting benefits (I'm making assumptions here and could be totally wrong). If that's the case, a lot of his money is locked. Idk where he's at in life, but I guess he can manage through from here on out without any real purchases.

If he got a huge inflow of cash, he should be striving at all cost, to make the transition to 2/5 at the very least. Yes 5/10 is when things get tricky, but the skill jump from 1/2 to 2/5 isn't that far reached. His hourly will find a huge increase and as he gets comfortable, his max win rate will increase. Life will be better overall. The risk, the variance, barely goes up imo.

Everyone should strive to get to 2/5 minimum. Esp if you're playing for a living.
Well, yes and no. The earn one can get from a game depends much more on the players and stack depth. I would easily believe there are 1/2 games out there that are beatable for more than we initially think. Admittedly, i don't watch rayz channel so i don't know anything about his games.

Changing subjects. Dude, if you're going to join the thread then we will have to seriously address your collusion vid.

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07-28-2017 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheAdvantagePlayer
I don't think 1/2 is a real "realistic" way of providing for oneself, especially with a family and children. To be fair, he's probably not reporting most of his income at that bracket and collecting benefits (I'm making assumptions here and could be totally wrong). If that's the case, a lot of his money is locked. Idk where he's at in life, but I guess he can manage through from here on out without any real purchases.

If he got a huge inflow of cash, he should be striving at all cost, to make the transition to 2/5 at the very least. Yes 5/10 is when things get tricky, but the skill jump from 1/2 to 2/5 isn't that far reached. His hourly will find a huge increase and as he gets comfortable, his max win rate will increase. Life will be better overall. The risk, the variance, barely goes up imo.

Everyone should strive to get to 2/5 minimum. Esp if you're playing for a living.
Great post from the scumbag who has admitted to cheating and collusion at the poker table.

On your bike and piss off, wanker..
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07-28-2017 , 11:32 AM
Rayz puts out one vlog a month and doesn't even monetize his channel it's a stretch to even call him a vlogger. he wasn't there to advertise his channel, He was there for the free trip/free hotel/get away from the wife
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07-28-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Great post from the scumbag who has admitted to cheating and collusion at the poker table.

On your bike and piss off, wanker..
Can I get a TLDR on this? I watch his stuff every now and again and haven't come across this. Mostly interested because I play at the same casino frequently and often enough in the same games.
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07-28-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
Rayz puts out one vlog a month and doesn't even monetize his channel it's a stretch to even call him a vlogger. he wasn't there to advertise his channel, He was there for the free trip/free hotel/get away from the wife

Makes total sense now. I don't know many of these vloggers - just the ones out in front. I had assumed they were all trying to grow their channels etc
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