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07-24-2017 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Turdzilla
Has Troop disclosed the extraordinary meeting that prevented him from participating in the Vloggers' game?
Meeting with a bankruptcy attorney.
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07-24-2017 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by w00t
PokerKraut is a very wealthy man.

PokerKraut is a very frugal person.

PokerKraut sold a successful business back in Germany.

PokerKraut does not touch that money.

PokerKraut used his poker bankroll as his life bankroll and it has finally dried up.

I would guess PokerKraut has barely touched his non poker income.

I would not be surprised PokerKraut is worth mid to high 6 figures.
Yet everyone seems OK that he solicited donations in the "I am broke" vlog?

I got no dog in this fight, but I find it odd that:

Trooper has a Patreon and everyone jumps him about freeloading off his viewers. PK literally solicits donations and it's all good.

Trooper may possibly need to get a job (he hasn't yet) and people jump him about being busto and what a lousy poker player he is, PK gets a job driving Uber and it's all of the sudden noble to do the right thing.

Trooper sells T-Shirts and it's something he should be ashamed, Neeme sells T-Shirts and same people seem real quiet about it.

Watch what vlogs you want and like what you want and hate on what you want, but the double standard is pretty obvious.
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07-24-2017 , 05:39 PM
I didn't watch a peep of the wsop main event, but super excited for the Vlogger Game.
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07-24-2017 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nutflopper
As a Trooper fan, would you continue watching if he stopped playing poker and just did sight seeing or whatever a lifestyle vlog entails? (Skateboarding in Lowes parking lots maybe)
No if there was no poker I wouldn't watch, my favorite videos were the early ones when he was open about the struggles of a low limit grinder trying to survive Vegas. The skateboarding, go gamble promos, and mail time videos don't do it for me.

That being said if it's a mail time video or something I just don't watch it. Coming in here to complain about the content when you don't have to watch seems odd to me.
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07-24-2017 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Yet everyone seems OK that he solicited donations in the "I am broke" vlog?

I got no dog in this fight, but I find it odd that:

Trooper has a Patreon and everyone jumps him about freeloading off his viewers. PK literally solicits donations and it's all good.

Trooper may possibly need to get a job (he hasn't yet) and people jump him about being busto and what a lousy poker player he is, PK gets a job driving Uber and it's all of the sudden noble to do the right thing.

Trooper sells T-Shirts and it's something he should be ashamed, Neeme sells T-Shirts and same people seem real quiet about it.

Watch what vlogs you want and like what you want and hate on what you want, but the double standard is pretty obvious.

The best post ITT by far imo, well said.

The PK begging for money was pretty lol/sad.
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07-24-2017 , 05:57 PM
I was playing 1/2 one evening at Borgata last week and the player sitting to my right was watching Trooper videos on his phone...older Asian guy, which surprised me a little.
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07-24-2017 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Yet everyone seems OK that he solicited donations in the "I am broke" vlog?

I got no dog in this fight, but I find it odd that:

Trooper has a Patreon and everyone jumps him about freeloading off his viewers. PK literally solicits donations and it's all good.

Trooper may possibly need to get a job (he hasn't yet) and people jump him about being busto and what a lousy poker player he is, PK gets a job driving Uber and it's all of the sudden noble to do the right thing.

Trooper sells T-Shirts and it's something he should be ashamed, Neeme sells T-Shirts and same people seem real quiet about it.

Watch what vlogs you want and like what you want and hate on what you want, but the double standard is pretty obvious.
You cant see the difference in the way they go about it?
Trooper abuses street beggers / waitresses/ drivers / people that stop at the end of escalators - Yet he drives while livestreaming, asks for money (begs) for patreon, carries a camera out at arms length whilst in a crowd, Plays at a poker table while sick, and on and on and on. He also said he would turn the donation option off the livestreams.... but did he? no. He says one thing and does another, show me where neeme or kraut or any of the other vloggers have contradicted themselves as much.

Im surprised you cant see the difference between the vloggers and what they do.
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07-24-2017 , 05:59 PM
#bagandtag shirt would be the most cringeworthy though you have to admit
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07-24-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulljive
#bagandtag shirt would be the most cringeworthy though you have to admit
I wouldnt wear any vloggers tee. But troopers coffee cam shirt is wow bad.

If I worked in a morgue, def buy the bag and tag one
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07-24-2017 , 06:08 PM
Yeah!! Texas has most T-shirts!!! You know where your fans are OG

Although from an artistic standpoint and something I would wear, my favorite is the Los Angeles Go Gamble

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07-24-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
I was playing 1/2 one evening at Borgata last week and the player sitting to my right was watching Trooper videos on his phone...older Asian guy, which surprised me a little.
Did you stack him?
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07-24-2017 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Yet everyone seems OK that he solicited donations in the "I am broke" vlog?

I got no dog in this fight, but I find it odd that:

Trooper has a Patreon and everyone jumps him about freeloading off his viewers. PK literally solicits donations and it's all good.

Trooper may possibly need to get a job (he hasn't yet) and people jump him about being busto and what a lousy poker player he is, PK gets a job driving Uber and it's all of the sudden noble to do the right thing.

Trooper sells T-Shirts and it's something he should be ashamed, Neeme sells T-Shirts and same people seem real quiet about it.

Watch what vlogs you want and like what you want and hate on what you want, but the double standard is pretty obvious.
One wears a "Shut the **** Up" T-Shirt, while the others are friendly guys who anyone would like to sit down and have a beer with.

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07-24-2017 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mitsi
I wouldnt wear any vloggers tee. But troopers coffee cam shirt is wow bad.



If I worked in a morgue, def buy the bag and tag one


Anyone who works with dead people this is a pretty sweet shirt.

It would also be great for goofing a bunch of pros in a tournament. Like bring several in different bright colors and start handing them out.
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07-24-2017 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Yet everyone seems OK that he solicited donations in the "I am broke" vlog?

I got no dog in this fight, but I find it odd that:

Trooper has a Patreon and everyone jumps him about freeloading off his viewers. PK literally solicits donations and it's all good.

Trooper may possibly need to get a job (he hasn't yet) and people jump him about being busto and what a lousy poker player he is, PK gets a job driving Uber and it's all of the sudden noble to do the right thing.

Trooper sells T-Shirts and it's something he should be ashamed, Neeme sells T-Shirts and same people seem real quiet about it.

Watch what vlogs you want and like what you want and hate on what you want, but the double standard is pretty obvious.
I actually think Trooper should take advantage of the suckers willing to give him stuff. But the differences between him and the others are really obvious.

Trooper hasn't had a job in almost a year (unlike PK) and would be much better off if he was dealing during the WSOP. So where's the double standard?

Trooper selling shirts is fine. I just think it makes him look desperate for cash when he keeps coming up with all his new ideas for shirts and I don't buy what he said about having at least $10k. Neeme sells them to make extra cash, not because he is broke because he struggles to beat 1-2. Trooper seems to get really excited and promotes his shirts over and over again in his vlog to the point where even some of his fans are annoyed. Neeme vlogs still focus on poker instead of his t-shirts.

But personally I don't think there is anything wrong with Trooper selling shirts. The thing I dislike about Trooper the most is his arrogance, not his "begging."
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07-24-2017 , 06:23 PM
Now Brad Owen says he is going to be selling t-shirts.

I think his vlogs are fantastic, but other than his fluffball cat, I can't think of anything else he would put on a shirt.

His last few vlogs have been really good, and his sense of humor is up there with Boski.

Maybe the new Poker Grumpy Cat?
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07-24-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
One wears a "Shut the **** Up" T-Shirt, while the others are friendly guys who anyone would like to sit down and have a beer with.
I'm not saying there isn't reasons to like any of them or dislike any of them.

I'm just saying it's hypocritical to use both sides of an argument to like one and not the other.


Example:

Guy A is a nice guy and wears a blue shirt.
Guy B is a horrible person and wears a blue shirt.

I'm fine if you like guy A because he's a nice guy and hate on guy B for being an ass, but the argument here seems to be Guy A is awesome because he wears a blue shirt and Guy B is a dick because he wears a blue shirt.

Begging is OK if you are Kraut, but an incomprehensible offense if you are Trooper. See my point?

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07-24-2017 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007

But personally I don't think there is anything wrong with Trooper selling shirts. The thing I dislike about Trooper the most is his arrogance, not his "begging."
The thing I dislike about Trooper the most is he has shown flashes of brilliance over the years, but he is lazy as ****, and can't seem to get out of his own way.

Wasted potential..
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07-24-2017 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
I'm not saying there isn't reasons to like any of them or dislike any of them.



I'm just saying it's hypocritical to use both sides of an argument to like one and not the other.





Example:



Guy A is a nice guy and wears a blue shirt.

Guy B is a horrible person and wears a blue shirt.



I'm fine if you like guy A because he's a nice guy and hate on guy B for being an ass, but the argument here seems to be Guy A is awesome because he wears a blue shirt and Guy B is a dick because he wears a blue shirt.



Begging is OK if you are Kraut, but an incomprehensible offense if you are Trooper. See my point?


Cool story bro.

Ever consider Kraut is trolling Trooper like he has previously?

Are we all just level 1 and 2 thinking itt today?
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07-24-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Ever consider Kraut is trolling Trooper like he has previously?
Maybe he is, who knows? Wouldn't that bring up an even better example, though?
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07-24-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
I'm not saying there isn't reasons to like any of them or dislike any of them.

I'm just saying it's hypocritical to use both sides of an argument to like one and not the other.


Example:

Guy A is a nice guy and wears a blue shirt.
Guy B is a horrible person and wears a blue shirt.

I'm fine if you like guy A because he's a nice guy and hate on guy B for being an ass, but the argument here seems to be Guy A is awesome because he wears a blue shirt and Guy B is a dick because he wears a blue shirt.

Begging is OK if you are Kraut, but an incomprehensible offense if you are Trooper. See my point?
I see your point, however Trooper has begged for years, while this is the first time Kraut has.

Kraut has said often "don't send me any gift certificates"..all he said viewers should send him are card guards.

Also, Kraut needs money so what does he do? He gets another job driving Lyft. Kraut is proactive. Trooper is reactive..
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07-24-2017 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Maybe he is, who knows? Wouldn't that bring up an even better example, though?


An example of one vlogger being hilarious and one being a sensitive snowflake is what comes to mind.
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07-24-2017 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
An example of one vlogger being hilarious and one being a sensitive snowflake is what comes to mind.
Uh, ok.
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07-24-2017 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
Uh, ok.


What's your point? That everyone should be treated equal or things are unfair? This isn't 4th grade.
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07-24-2017 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pensfan
I'm not saying there isn't reasons to like any of them or dislike any of them.

I'm just saying it's hypocritical to use both sides of an argument to like one and not the other.


Example:

Guy A is a nice guy and wears a blue shirt.
Guy B is a horrible person and wears a blue shirt.

I'm fine if you like guy A because he's a nice guy and hate on guy B for being an ass, but the argument here seems to be Guy A is awesome because he wears a blue shirt and Guy B is a dick because he wears a blue shirt.

Begging is OK if you are Kraut, but an incomprehensible offense if you are Trooper. See my point?
Those are fair points and your example is reasonable too. I'll post a slightly tangential example:

Guy A is a nice guy who has a history of doing nice things.
Guy B is a horrible person with a history of acting horribly to others.

One day both guys do something horrible to another person. People give Guy A the benefit of the doubt and devise reasons why the act wasn't intentional. People just assume Guy B was acting like he usually does and curse his existence.

In other words, nice people are given the benefit of doubt for their actions while jerks are not. While that may be unfair on a per-instance basis it seems somewhat reasonable to me as a general rule.
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07-24-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Those are fair points and your example is reasonable too. I'll post a slightly tangential example:

Guy A is a nice guy who has a history of doing nice things.
Guy B is a horrible person with a history of acting horribly to others.

One day both guys do something horrible to another person. People give Guy A the benefit of the doubt and devise reasons why the act wasn't intentional. People just assume Guy B was acting like he usually does and curse his existence.

In other words, nice people are given the benefit of doubt for their actions while jerks are not. While that may be unfair on a per-instance basis it seems somewhat reasonable to me as a general rule.
Certainly agree with this. I'm not vested enough in anyone's vlog to know who the good guy is and who the bad guy is. From a far enough away view it sure can look like a double standard is in play.

To your point, that isn't to say there isn't reason for it to exist.
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