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08-05-2023 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by drewtroopsdaughter
The Trooper justed nailed 2nd place in a $20 Deep Stack
How much was the win?
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08-05-2023 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AllGameDegen
How much was the win?

Depends on how much action he sold Las Vegas Poker Player Vlogs
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08-05-2023 , 10:50 AM
Here is some recent cashes and stats on Trooper. The wins column is high because he plays a lot of those stupid 4 man tournaments, whatever they are called. The ability of 59 is bad.


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08-05-2023 , 11:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkfXh921CE

Just when Nomad is so boring with stupid Vegas drooler stories he sucks you right back in.

Mindset/tilt issues: can't deal with being down $200 at a 1/3 game, so quit most days early, only averaged 5hrs/day of play.

Play issues: This was kind of a shocking look at his poker strategy. He sees a flop and determines how many streets of bets he wants to go in on a hand? I heard he was active on 2+2 back in the day but it seems like he's never talked strategy with any other poker pro and has only learned how to play through osmosis playing the tightest, lowest stakes games with the worst players in the world.
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08-05-2023 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ark_angel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkfXh921CE

Just when Nomad is so boring with stupid Vegas drooler stories he sucks you right back in.

Mindset/tilt issues: can't deal with being down $200 at a 1/3 game, so quit most days early, only averaged 5hrs/day of play.

Play issues: This was kind of a shocking look at his poker strategy. He sees a flop and determines how many streets of bets he wants to go in on a hand? I heard he was active on 2+2 back in the day but it seems like he's never talked strategy with any other poker pro and has only learned how to play through osmosis playing the tightest, lowest stakes games with the worst players in the world.
$816 in 40 working days of playing?! Yeaaaah, Rice and Trooper can continue "sticking it to the man." Meanwhile, the rest of us can continue in our "terrible" careers, and still get to play poker whenever we feel like it (and still probably make more than them when we do play)
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08-05-2023 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenophon
$816 in 40 working days of playing?! Yeaaaah, Rice and Trooper can continue "sticking it to the man." Meanwhile, the rest of us can continue in our "terrible" careers, and still get to play poker whenever we feel like it (and still probably make more than them when we do play)

These clowns must have more leaks in their game than a submarine with screen doors.

$816 in 40 days is just terrible on about 5 different levels but go ahead keep banging your head on that wall until you crack your skull or knock yourself out.
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08-05-2023 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Here is some recent cashes and stats on Trooper. The wins column is high because he plays a lot of those stupid 4 man tournaments, whatever they are called. The ability of 59 is bad.


This provides fascinating insight. Thank you so much for posting.
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08-05-2023 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by angle_shooter
Yeh but he is also very misleading with the stats. He based the average hrs per day on 40 days of play but he was actually there for 45 days. Just because he decided not to play the last 5 days so he doesn't include them in his average hours because it makes it look not quite as bad.

Guys like ElD are probably incapable of giving false or blatantly inaccurate information but they still will find ways of deluding themselves and portraying the information in a way that they think makes them appear better.
I don't think it's misleading. Why should he include days he didn't play in his average?
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08-05-2023 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by angle_shooter
Yeh but he is also very misleading with the stats. He based the average hrs per day on 40 days of play but he was actually there for 45 days. Just because he decided not to play the last 5 days so he doesn't include them in his average hours because it makes it look not quite as bad.

Guys like ElD are probably incapable of giving false or blatantly inaccurate information but they still will find ways of deluding themselves and portraying the information in a way that they think makes them appear better.

So his average is either 20 or 18 a day and you want to argue the semantics of that over the main point which is that he stinks at the game.
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08-05-2023 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Here is some recent cashes and stats on Trooper. The wins column is high because he plays a lot of those stupid 4 man tournaments, whatever they are called. The ability of 59 is bad.



When Trooper was playing the 45 man SNG`s his handle was KingTim
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08-05-2023 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenophon
$816 in 40 working days of playing?! Yeaaaah, Rice and Trooper can continue "sticking it to the man." Meanwhile, the rest of us can continue in our "terrible" careers, and still get to play poker whenever we feel like it (and still probably make more than them when we do play)
It depends on the person. I would def. rather grind low stakes than work some soul crushing dead end job. There really is a lot to be said for never being ordered around, told how to dress, having to stand there and smile as someone treats you like crap, etc.

Most people who gamble for a living are sorta messed up and will struggle in some way with normal jobs. Autism is probably the main V. One way I'm messed up is, my sleep is very irregular and if I have a fixed work schedule I will never sleep well and will be tired all the time.

I'd rather do something really fulfilling and engaging like be a college prof or a judge. Also, it would be nice to be in those social circles. But that's not the choice I've been given and I'm sure it's the same for these guys.

Anyway, it seems like there is a pretty big opening for someone who does all this stuff right. A vlog about a person who carves out a decent living at low stakes and actually beats the games for $20/hr or whatever and enjoys a low key life of freedom. A reasonable life nit who works comps and finds good deals and makes some good, cheap meals.
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08-05-2023 , 02:10 PM
If kingTim was his name that is interesting, seems consistent with the games he plays and what he claimed to play as far as I can tell. Assuming he was kingtim on ftp that’s the only one to be seen right?
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08-05-2023 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by angle_shooter
(El Diesel/Poker Nomad/Rice) is misleading with the stats. He based the average hrs per day on 40 days of play but he was actually there for 45 days. Just because he decided not to play the last 5 days so he doesn't include them in his average hours because it makes it look not quite as bad.
^ I thought the same thing.
Rice was in Lake Elsinore for 46 days and played 187 hours of poker, which gives him a daily avg of 4 hours of poker per day.
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Guys like El Diesel/Rice are probably incapable of giving false or blatantly inaccurate information but they still will find ways of deluding themselves and portraying the information in a way they think makes them appear better.
Yes
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08-05-2023 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ark_angel
He sees a flop and determines how many streets of bets he wants to go in on a hand?
That's not unreasonable. Some hands, you know that if it gets bet three times, your hand is probably no good, so you try to figure out which streets are best for getting value.
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08-05-2023 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiresman
I don't think it's misleading. Why should he include days he didn't play in his average?

Because it's not based on the days that he played. If he played one day for 10 hours and then didn't play any other days he could say he averaged 10hrs per day. He was there for 46 days. He played 186hrs in that 46 days

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08-05-2023 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
So his average is either 20 or 18 a day and you want to argue the semantics of that over the main point which is that he stinks at the game.
I already knew he stinks at the game. The point I'm making is that he also fudges his own numbers to suit his deluded narratives.

He did it before with one of his silly "challenges" he was doing where he couldn't spend anything more than a certain amount on food and on the 2nd last day he decided to go out for dinner with Herbs and Rye. Then later he reported on YouTube that he won the Challenge because he could have finished it if it wasn't for going out with Herbs and Rye that night lol
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08-05-2023 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by angle_shooter
I already knew he stinks at the game. The point I'm making is that he also fudges his own numbers to suit his deluded narratives.
America is full of people far more delusional than that guy. Whether he wants to divide by 40 or 45 doesn’t change the picture at all. And if he thinks it does, we’ll then he’s just a moron.
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08-05-2023 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Here is some recent cashes and stats on Trooper. The wins column is high because he plays a lot of those stupid 4 man tournaments, whatever they are called.


It shows he is working on his game. And Lady Trooper can see that.

Okay I’m not being serious but maybe they actually think that, idk.

I find myself less interested in watching El Diedel videos as time goes by. Occasionally I watch one because they are short. Some of the stuff he covers just isn’t what I want to see from him, but it’s his vlog so whatever. I usually only want to watch stuff about poker.

And I’ll watch stuff like Neeme showing his viewers around town but El Diesel talking about his diet for the week just doesn’t seem as interesting IMO.

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08-05-2023 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
America is full of people far more delusional than that guy. Whether he wants to divide by 40 or 45 doesnÂ’t change the picture at all. And if he thinks it does, weÂ’ll then heÂ’s just a moron.
It absolutely changes the picture. He was there for 46 days. The profit he made and hours he played was over that 46 day period. For him to frame it as 40 days when reporting the averages is deliberately misleading. Whether he played on a particular day or not is irrelevant, it's still counted in the average. That's what an average is, it's all inclusive.

I agree it doesn't change overall profit or his hourly rate which is arguably the bigger picture. But it changes his daily average hours and his daily average profit, both of which he reported in the video. He could have just told us the number of hours he played and his result. But he didn't do that.
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08-05-2023 , 06:32 PM
Does someone who has a standard job work 8 hour days or 5.7 hour days?
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08-05-2023 , 06:37 PM
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Does someone who has a standard job work 8 hour days or 5.7 hour days?
They work 8hrs a day, on the days that they work. For them to say they averaged 8hrs of work per day at the end of the week would be totally inaccurate. They averaged 5.7hrs work per day.

Like I said, ElD didnt need to give averages. But he did, and he gave them in a misleading way to make them appear more flattering.
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08-05-2023 , 08:11 PM
JFC

Just when I thought this dumpster fire of a thread couldn't possibly burn any hotter.

Here we are.
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08-05-2023 , 08:16 PM
I’m waiting for the El Diesel challenge where he reads all of TBCs blogs and gives an overview.
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08-05-2023 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ES2
It depends on the person. I would def. rather grind low stakes than work some soul crushing dead end job. There really is a lot to be said for never being ordered around, told how to dress, having to stand there and smile as someone treats you like crap, etc.

Most people who gamble for a living are sorta messed up and will struggle in some way with normal jobs. Autism is probably the main V. One way I'm messed up is, my sleep is very irregular and if I have a fixed work schedule I will never sleep well and will be tired all the time.

I'd rather do something really fulfilling and engaging like be a college prof or a judge. Also, it would be nice to be in those social circles. But that's not the choice I've been given and I'm sure it's the same for these guys.

Anyway, it seems like there is a pretty big opening for someone who does all this stuff right. A vlog about a person who carves out a decent living at low stakes and actually beats the games for $20/hr or whatever and enjoys a low key life of freedom. A reasonable life nit who works comps and finds good deals and makes some good, cheap meals.
I hear you, but like you said, you have to find something that works for you. Me personally, I work from home and have a lot of flexibility ... but I don't think I'd every want to / be able to go into an office full time again because I also struggle sleeping sometimes. Poker is something that I really enjoy, and I get to play it when I feel like playing and not grinding 6-10 hours a day at a dingy smoke filled card room with a bunch of degenerates.

Rice is on the extreme ... one can only live that lifestyle if they are uber frugal, and are just one downswing / medical bill / emergency away from being flat broke. If you have a wife and kids, well forget about it; you'd need to be at minimum a 2/5 solid player and have your spouse have a normal job to live semi-comfortably.
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08-05-2023 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Here is some recent cashes and stats on Trooper. The wins column is high because he plays a lot of those stupid 4 man tournaments, whatever they are called. The ability of 59 is bad.





Does this count satellites? I've seen him in a ton of them lately.

Edit. For instance, theres a lot of Free -> $5 satellites with an add on option at the start and the registration end ranging from $0.50 -> $5 for the add on. Those give tickets to the same $20/30/50 entry tournaments that he plays. Depending on his success rate there, the profit could be way less or potentially more.

I've been in tournaments with him for the past couple of weeks on WSOP.com. Rather straightforward player, nothing tricky or wild. Rarely raises preflop or on the flop. I can't remember many significant hands with him, except a 3 way all in where he was about 10-12 bb ahead of me and the other guy at even stacks.

I 4bet AJdd, from SB, after he called BB on the button. BB went all in for about 1/2 his stack and BB had me covered by 2BB or so. 4 card heart runout with an Ace in the river. Blank turn, heart river. Trooper had two red 7s to get the flush. 77 > AJ > TT.

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