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04-11-2021 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tanqueray
Gambling marketing 101 - bet as many numbers as required to get enough winning footage.

Edit out the losing footage, market yourself as a winner, and the audience will come.

"But how much did you lose" shall never be uttered in the presence of these great ones.
this is true for poker vloggers as well. guarantee there is a bunch of footage of losing sessions out there that never gets published.
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04-11-2021 , 05:50 PM
Purses are very popular among wealthy men in Asia, they're called power purses, good way to carry mad stacks and your multiple phones wherever you go
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04-11-2021 , 06:13 PM
PMAN, we are rooting for you!!!! Find your groove, and balance and get the game going...

We do wish you would play on the strip more. There are MUCH better games to be found there than at the Sahara... Plus, the amount of rooms makes it easy to find a good game.
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04-11-2021 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Trixie2
PMAN, we are rooting for you!!!! Find your groove, and balance and get the game going...
I think finding your groove is important when starting out. Pman says he doesn't play more because he is too tired. I find it hard to believe he is tired 22 hours a day unless he has a serious medical issue. He needs to figure out when he is at 100% and play at that time. Then, if he gets tired he can leave, walk around a bit or get a meal and then play again when he feels up to it.

I've never been one to take breaks, but they definitely work to keep you focused in the game. I know a player that would play 35+ hours straight virtually every weekend and a large part of the reason he was successful in doing so is because he would periodically take 10 to 15 minute breaks.
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04-11-2021 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I think finding your groove is important when starting out. Pman says he doesn't play more because he is too tired. I find it hard to believe he is tired 22 hours a day unless he has a serious medical issue. He needs to figure out when he is at 100% and play at that time. Then, if he gets tired he can leave, walk around a bit or get a meal and then play again when he feels up to it.

I've never been one to take breaks, but they definitely work to keep you focused in the game. I know a player that would play 35+ hours straight virtually every weekend and a large part of the reason he was successful in doing so is because he would periodically take 10 to 15 minute breaks.
Back before NL was popular, probably around 1996 or 1997, at the Horseshoe in Shreveport(Bossier City) they would get a 20/40 limit HE game started on Thursday afternoon that would run non stop thru Sunday.

One old guy, who was said to be the largest book maker in Dallas at the time would sit down Thursday afternoon and play non stop thru Sunday every week. Except for short breaks obviously.

It was quite a game, I would play in it but actually go to my room and sleep. lol Also playing was legend Bob Hooks and Keith Lehr with the one glass eye that would take it out and use as a card protector. He was seen on WSOP tourney doing the same.
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04-11-2021 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Back before NL was popular, probably around 1996 or 1997, at the Horseshoe in Shreveport(Bossier City) they would get a 20/40 limit HE game started on Thursday afternoon that would run non stop thru Sunday.

One old guy, who was said to be the largest book maker in Dallas at the time would sit down Thursday afternoon and play non stop thru Sunday every week. Except for short breaks obviously.

It was quite a game, I would play in it but actually go to my room and sleep. lol Also playing was legend Bob Hooks and Keith Lehr with the one glass eye that would take it out and use as a card protector. He was seen on WSOP tourney doing the same.

Cool story, someone posted a story on Bob Hooks recently.

Nolan Dalla wrote about something similar with the early days of AC poker. He’s ride the train from DC and basically play nonstop all weekend.
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04-11-2021 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 18000rpm
Before COVID I used to visit Vegas twice a year (I live in Asia), staying for 10-14 days each time. During those two trips I'd rack up around 300 hours of poker which at this rate is what Pman would play in a year.
2 trips * 10-14 days/trip = 20-28 days for poker.

300 hours / 20 days = 15 hours/day

300 hours / 28 days = ~10.7 hours/day

That's some SERIOUS grinding, especially if your upper estimate is accurate.
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04-11-2021 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Trixie2
PMAN, we are rooting for you!!!! Find your groove, and balance and get the game going...

We do wish you would play on the strip more. There are MUCH better games to be found there than at the Sahara... Plus, the amount of rooms makes it easy to find a good game.
Thank you very much. I don't know, I'm really enjoying Sahara! Once they fix the sidewalk, I plan to play at Caesars / Bellagio / Flamingo more. Wynn is closer, but I don't like their 1/3 game (it's $500 max buy).
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04-11-2021 , 09:49 PM
Why wouldn't you like a game with more money on the table?
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04-11-2021 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Old Man Coffee
Why wouldn't you like a game with more money on the table?
More variance, more regs at Wynn, and I might be results oriented but I've lost a bit at the Wynn.
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04-11-2021 , 10:03 PM
I think the Wynn is like a step up place, 1-2 regs play there before moving to 2-5 bellagio, and people i know play the wynn 2-5 before playing 5-10 generally. Great room though, once you grind up and a bit more comfortable id play there over anywhere else honestly. Has it all, hot chicks, super rich people, its really tough to beat
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04-11-2021 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Pman says he doesn't play more because he is too tired. I find it hard to believe he is tired 22 hours a day unless he has a serious medical issue.
How is a guy around 20 years old that is not morbidly obese or has some obvious medical issue tired all the time?? An hour of poker and he's done "working" for the day?

How is that even possible seriously.
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04-11-2021 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 18000rpm
How is a guy around 20 years old that is not morbidly obese or has some obvious medical issue tired all the time?? An hour of poker and he's done "working" for the day?

How is that even possible seriously.
You must not have watched my origin story video. I have several medical issues. Thanks.
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04-11-2021 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TopGun in VA
2 trips * 10-14 days/trip = 20-28 days for poker.

300 hours / 20 days = 15 hours/day

300 hours / 28 days = ~10.7 hours/day

That's some SERIOUS grinding, especially if your upper estimate is accurate.
I just checked my records, my last trip in Sep/Oct 2019 I played 138 hours in 12 days. On day 2 I played 2 sessions of 10+15 hours for a total of 25 hours lol. Mostly playing the Wynn 1/3. Up 1.3K for the trip (that's considered a bad trip, but I play for fun not for money).

Obviously I'm not suggesting that for someone who wants to be a pro, I'm a rec on holiday and I just can't wait to play when I'm in Vegas. At the same time I can't imagine anyone who wants to be a pro to play an hour or two and call it a day. Don't you LIKE playing poker?
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04-11-2021 , 10:42 PM
Latest Trooper Results from stream:


Spoiler:


-75

2021: +3,079

He Bricked the 100$ and FT'd the 20$, but got 9th


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04-12-2021 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Back before NL was popular, probably around 1996 or 1997, at the Horseshoe in Shreveport(Bossier City) they would get a 20/40 limit HE game started on Thursday afternoon that would run non stop thru Sunday.

One old guy, who was said to be the largest book maker in Dallas at the time would sit down Thursday afternoon and play non stop thru Sunday every week. Except for short breaks obviously.

It was quite a game, I would play in it but actually go to my room and sleep. lol Also playing was legend Bob Hooks and Keith Lehr with the one glass eye that would take it out and use as a card protector. He was seen on WSOP tourney doing the same.
That's awesome. I've never had the pleasure of playing with Keith Lehr but when I when I first started playing live poker in 2011 I used to play with Bob Hooks on a daily basis. He's a legend for sure.

There was an old guy at Winstar maybe in his 80s that would play through the entire weekend. Can't be healthy for someone of that age and medical was brought out for him one time.
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04-12-2021 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd


Taking a plea deal with a purse. Such a baller.
BTW that's a Himalayan Birkin worth about $300K.

https://janefinds.com/products/herme...imited-edition

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04-12-2021 , 12:34 AM
The 20/40 in Bossier is still going on Thursdays. They've moved it to ElDorado though. I think this week was the first week it was back since precovid. I was at Horseshoe this weekend and was wishing they still had it. I loved that game.
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04-12-2021 , 03:38 AM
Interesting twitter account for following Vegas Dave's frauds

https://twitter.com/vegas_scum?s=09
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04-12-2021 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 18000rpm
I just checked my records, my last trip in Sep/Oct 2019 I played 138 hours in 12 days. On day 2 I played 2 sessions of 10+15 hours for a total of 25 hours lol. Mostly playing the Wynn 1/3. Up 1.3K for the trip (that's considered a bad trip, but I play for fun not for money).

Obviously I'm not suggesting that for someone who wants to be a pro, I'm a rec on holiday and I just can't wait to play when I'm in Vegas. At the same time I can't imagine anyone who wants to be a pro to play an hour or two and call it a day. Don't you LIKE playing poker?
I do think there is a big difference between playing as a rec with money you can afford to lose, and playing as a pro that needs to win. Dealing with the variance when you need the money and as a result probably have less patience for losing and downswings can make poker start to really suck.

That’s even more true if you’re one of the regs that thinks he should make $20-$30 an hour at the lowest stakes when $10 an hour, $5 an hour, or even less than $0 an hour is closer to the actual winrate over a large sample size.
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04-12-2021 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Yeah, solid stuff. I actually think it cant be stated enough how important logging huge amount of hours is, if youre looking to make money out of poker.For multiple different reasons. Especially when you play at the lower stakes where rake is also high in relation to the money in each pot.

As an example i found that downswings is easier to cope with when you play lots of hours too, because you know its gonna get faster to get out of the hole. The result of any given session or handful of sessions doesent matter to me, because i know the next session is right around the corner anyway and i am gonna fight back.
While I do agree with all of this and have had these thoughts, I do think some negative thoughts can show up too. Variance affects results not just over individual sessions but also over weeks, months and even longer. You can play hundreds of hours in a short period of time, feel like you’re putting some effort into it, those hours can feel like a long grind, and you can still feel at the mercy of variance because you are. I never thought getting a consistent income with a regular job was tilting.

Also playing lots of hours means you’ll play when games aren’t as good, and when you’re tired and even pissed off. The player doing it on vacation or on weekends after working a full time job can say “**** it,” and leave if the game isn’t as good or even if he just isn’t having fun.

Some people can put up with all this and grind away, but many can’t.

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04-12-2021 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvDaVlogs
Cant blame Pman really, my ideal life in vegas would be wake up at like 3pm, play a round or two of golf, watch the game, bust some chops and dust it off in 2 hour poker sessions, then go back and chill in the hot tub at turnberry place and watch the night. That is the life, gotta put that work in first in order to pay for it, or find an old hard drive with about 100 btc in it somewhere
Lol this is pretty accurate. It definitely beats putting in a 10+ hour session, losing a big hand or two and going home with less money than you started. Then you realize you could have just chilled all day and literally would be wealthier. It’s no wonder why people like to hit and run.

Up to a point though obviously. Chill all day, every day and then you’ll blame yourself for not putting in more hours or at least getting a job.

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04-12-2021 , 05:55 AM
If you've survived through bigger downswings and came out ahead, losing some buy-ins generally shouldn't stress you out. You know it's just "another one" you gotta grind through. People who are afraid either don't have confidence in their game/themselves, or are playing with rent money.

Has any real winning player ever sat in like a 1/3 or 2/5 or any properly-rolled game and thought, oh ****, this game might make me go busto after a losing stretch? Probably not. I assume they think - "when the *** is this negative variance/downswing gonna end, these god damn fishes so ****** lucky. SO TILTING"!!

Then proceed to grind after whatever ritual calms them down. For me, back in the day, I'd take 2-4 weeks off playing Dota before returning. These days, 1-3 days of Maplestory M if it gets REAL bad.
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04-12-2021 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
While I do agree with all of this and have had these thoughts, I do think some negative thoughts can show up too. Variance affects results not just over individual sessions but also over weeks, months and even longer. You can play hundreds of hours in a short period of time, feel like you’re putting some effort into it, those hours can feel like a long grind, and you can still feel at the mercy of variance because you are. I never thought getting a consistent income with a regular job was tilting.

Also playing lots of hours means you’ll play when games aren’t as good, and when you’re tired and even pissed off. The player doing it on vacation or on weekends after working a full time job can say “**** it,” and leave if the game isn’t as good or even if he just isn’t having fun.

Some people can put up with all this and grind away, but many can’t.

Sure, some people are more cut out for it than others. Ive always played lots of hours and enjoyed it, so it came naturally for me. And as i realized how important it is to play alot to stay sharp and to develope your game, it was even easier to keep going with huge volume. I have played alot over the last 8 years or so, and went through stretches with both being a fulltime player and a part-time player.

What i am getting at is that if playing alot isnt for you, i believe you dont have the right personality to be a fulltime pokerplayer. You will be better served as a weekend warrior as a supplement to another job. If you gonna succeed as a fulltime player, i believe one of the biggest premises is that you have to enjoy playing alot of hours. And you have to fully understand why that is important, on many levels.
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04-12-2021 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
Lol this is pretty accurate. It definitely beats putting in a 10+ hour session, losing a big hand or two and going home with less money than you started. Then you realize you could have just chilled all day and literally would be wealthier. It’s no wonder why people like to hit and run.

Up to a point though obviously. Chill all day, every day and then you’ll blame yourself for not putting in more hours or at least getting a job.
That train of thought is mental leaks, nothing else really. Even though its very common to have those mental leaks.

Its the core of understanding variance in poker. Your average winrate will not transform into you getting paid that hourly everyday for the amount of hours that you play of course. Some days you will lose. Some days you will breakeven. And some days you will win. If you go through a rough stretch of negative variance you wont make money for weeks, even months if the doomswitch is really on.
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