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10-13-2020 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by steve420wa
Even if true, they're likely to perform better than someone who's dumped 4 figs in three weeks

Edit: And 1/3 is not brain surgery
There is no flow into the ecosystem anymore. 1/3 has become pretty competitive unless you are lucky enough to catch a drunk or a sports better on their way back from the sportsbook. Otherwise it is pretty reg heavy with a lot of 2/5 folks stepping down due to lack of 2/5 games or the fact that those have become pretty reg heavy too and unprofitable. A lot of you guys think that this is still like 2010 or even 2015 when talking about how 1/3 is in 2020.

If you take the folding strategy your chips will evaporate pretty quick unless you are getting great cards/runouts. Aggression is what wins these days at that level.
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10-13-2020 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PLIKITYPLAK
There is no flow into the ecosystem anymore. 1/3 has become pretty competitive unless you are lucky enough to catch a drunk or a sports better on their way back from the sportsbook. Otherwise it is pretty reg heavy with a lot of 2/5 folks stepping down due to lack of 2/5 games or the fact that those have become pretty reg heavy too and unprofitable. A lot of you guys think that this is still like 2010 or even 2015 when talking about how 1/3 is in 2020.



If you take the folding strategy your chips will evaporate pretty quick unless you are getting great cards/runouts. Aggression is what wins these days at that level.
Yes, 2010 would be about right for me for US games.
That means trooper is really in a world of hurt!
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10-13-2020 , 03:37 PM
I guess it's a good thing then that people like Trooper are still around to feed the ecosystem.
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10-13-2020 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PLIKITYPLAK
There is no flow into the ecosystem anymore. 1/3 has become pretty competitive unless you are lucky enough to catch a drunk or a sports better on their way back from the sportsbook. Otherwise it is pretty reg heavy with a lot of 2/5 folks stepping down due to lack of 2/5 games or the fact that those have become pretty reg heavy too and unprofitable. A lot of you guys think that this is still like 2010 or even 2015 when talking about how 1/3 is in 2020.



If you take the folding strategy your chips will evaporate pretty quick unless you are getting great cards/runouts. Aggression is what wins these days at that level.
This is not true for Vegas poker at all

1/3 players aren't thinking players and they are very easy to beat. Playing better ranges than your opponent is how you win at lower stakes because players call to much and overvalue weaker hands. Are you going to win every session? No, are you going to win more than you lose? Yes if you're a good player.

Just because someone is a reg doesn't mean they're good player. I hate when people say that. As if playing all the time automatically makes you a good player.

2/5 regs who dropped down usually play at Wynn because their 1/3 is 500 max while everywhere else it's 300. Avoid Wynn if you can't handle a few tougher opponents and it's smooth sailing

If you think 1/3 or even 2/5 isn't profitable I have some bad news for you

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10-13-2020 , 06:43 PM
1/3 players are tricky... they slow play monsters
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10-13-2020 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by opph20
This is not true for Vegas poker at all

1/3 players aren't thinking players and they are very easy to beat. Playing better ranges than your opponent is how you win at lower stakes because players call to much and overvalue weaker hands. Are you going to win every session? No, are you going to win more than you lose? Yes if you're a good player.

Just because someone is a reg doesn't mean they're good player. I hate when people say that. As if playing all the time automatically makes you a good player.

2/5 regs who dropped down usually play at Wynn because their 1/3 is 500 max while everywhere else it's 300. Avoid Wynn if you can't handle a few tougher opponents and it's smooth sailing

If you think 1/3 or even 2/5 isn't profitable I have some bad news for you

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I do admit that 1/3 in Vegas is easier than almost anywhere else in the country.
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10-13-2020 , 07:53 PM
I know many of you laugh at this, but I think Trooper would have more success playing his style in 2-5 or 5-10. A conservative approach where when he does raise, his raises will be more respected instead of called by drunken tourists for no other reason than.....gamble.

Now, will he have bigger loss days where he may lose $2000? And can he afford that?

The answers are yes.....and no.

But imo he would do better than he is now as far as win rate.

I think he did this a couple years ago and actually did pretty well. Then he has 2 or 3 big losing days...as in a $1000 or 2, and he had to quit. But if he had the bankroll, I think he would do better playing a little higher stakes.
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10-13-2020 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by opph20
This is not true for Vegas poker at all

1/3 players aren't thinking players and they are very easy to beat. Playing better ranges than your opponent is how you win at lower stakes because players call to much and overvalue weaker hands. Are you going to win every session? No, are you going to win more than you lose? Yes if you're a good player.

Just because someone is a reg doesn't mean they're good player. I hate when people say that. As if playing all the time automatically makes you a good player.

2/5 regs who dropped down usually play at Wynn because their 1/3 is 500 max while everywhere else it's 300. Avoid Wynn if you can't handle a few tougher opponents and it's smooth sailing

If you think 1/3 or even 2/5 isn't profitable I have some bad news for you

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"Playing better ranges than your opponent is how you win at lower stakes because players call to much and overvalue weaker hands."

More succinct words have never been posted.

That really is 90% of what you need to do. (If you really, really WANT to play marginal starting hands, don't worry, you will get enough un-raised hands in the BB to satisfy your inner fish.)

Another 9% is folding your unimproved flops against opponent' lines that do eventually get there on the river.
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10-13-2020 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Threeflight
I know many of you laugh at this, but I think Trooper would have more success playing his style in 2-5 or 5-10. A conservative approach where when he does raise, his raises will be more respected instead of called by drunken tourists for no other reason than.....gamble.

Now, will he have bigger loss days where he may lose $2000? And can he afford that?

The answers are yes.....and no.

But imo he would do better than he is now as far as win rate.

I think he did this a couple years ago and actually did pretty well. Then he has 2 or 3 big losing days...as in a $1000 or 2, and he had to quit. But if he had the bankroll, I think he would do better playing a little higher stakes.
Leaks at 1/3 become floods at 2/5 and 5/10

Trooper can't break down hands properly, a bigger bankroll would just mean bigger losses

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10-13-2020 , 09:09 PM
I like T a lot... he is an original and a genuine true nice person.
I don't think of him as a thinking player though. Im not sure hes put in the work to be considered a game theory player, he's more of a 'feeling' type player.
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10-13-2020 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MSchu18
I like T a lot... he is an original and a genuine true nice person.
This is where I have to disagree.

I think he can come across as humble and nice when he is with people that agree with him.

But the difference between him and someone who is genuinely nice? I think it is as big as the Grand Canyon. I don't see Trooper being authentically nice to others. He always seems to have an angle or a reason to be nice....not because he is.

For example just look at the difference in how he acts when someone does something he disagrees with. He can be vicious. And that stems from an extreme case of narcissism and ego.

Now someone like an Andrew Neeme or a Brad Owen? Sticking to poker vlogger world here..... I think they are genuinely nice people regardless.
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10-13-2020 , 10:10 PM
This is not a competition... and certainly not a comparrison analysis.

I played with them all... they are all personable and decent.
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10-13-2020 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CheckYourPrivilege
RESULTS SINCE RETURNING TO LIVE POKER:

19 sessions. 4 wins, 15 losses.

TOTAL:

-$3464
Strong first post, well done. Appreciate the info.
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10-13-2020 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Threeflight
I know many of you laugh at this, but I think Trooper would have more success playing his style in 2-5 or 5-10. A conservative approach where when he does raise, his raises will be more respected instead of called by drunken tourists for no other reason than.....gamble.

Now, will he have bigger loss days where he may lose $2000? And can he afford that?

The answers are yes.....and no.

But imo he would do better than he is now as far as win rate.

I think he did this a couple years ago and actually did pretty well. Then he has 2 or 3 big losing days...as in a $1000 or 2, and he had to quit. But if he had the bankroll, I think he would do better playing a little higher stakes.
Everyone will call his raises at higher stakes as they can massively out play him. It would be a 5 figure learning curve that he'd never get past.

Players would probably give him 100% rakeback just for sitting down.
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10-13-2020 , 11:01 PM
Trooper's soliloquy begins at the 4:22 mark.
One of his better ones.
I thought for a second he was about to have an epiphany about playing poker, but it didn't quite materialize.
Trooper: "I was in a good game".
Spoiler:
Lost (-$596)

This is the Vlog he released yesterday, not the one he released a few hours ago.
https://youtu.be/8YNcoyfMSDQ
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10-13-2020 , 11:03 PM
Yea Trooper didn't lose on todays video.
Spoiler:
He didn't play.
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10-13-2020 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Yea Trooper didn't lose on todays video.
Spoiler:
He didn't play.
Yeah I skimmed through it in about 30 seconds.

I saw him doing laundry. Making coffee. Dinner. And being condescending to his gf (not unusual) and his gf just laughing along to it like a good little girl. That woman has no backbone whatsoever.

Never in my life will I understand the amount of narcissism and ego it must take to make a video of yourself doing laundry and thinking people will find that interesting.

Maybe some people do I don't know....but it is just bizarre to me.
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10-13-2020 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Threeflight
I think he did this a couple years ago and actually did pretty well.
This is the hallmark of a losing player. They "do well" i.e. have 3 big winning sessions back to back. There is no "running hot" to them. This is especially brutal when they start off on a hot streak, which they will then use that as their baseline for all future sessions. When they win it's because they are skilled, when they lose it's because they got sucked out on. They never see it the other way around.

I recall trooper keeping results on a ****ing whiteboard at which point he took a a shot at 5/10 and won like 7k or something in a week. He should have immediately stepped down to 2/5 and tried to put out some volume but of course he lost like 5k of it back and then settled back into 1/2 and lost the rest. I assure you for that first week of 5/10 he probably thought to himself "ah, so this is where I belong, this is what I've been missing".

BTW the fact that he used a stupid ass whiteboard with scribblings no better than a toddler kinda speaks volumes of his intelligence level. I hate to rag on him for this but jesus it was so cringe that he cant even be bothered to use an app, spreadsheet, nothing. Just straight up ****ing boomerville like your uncle, except he's 40.
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10-14-2020 , 12:02 AM
I'm not sure of the timeline but I remember him doing the challenge and going from 2/5nl to 5/10nl and playing his 1st session on a Tuesday afternoon and lost a bunch. lol
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10-14-2020 , 12:02 AM
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This is the hallmark of a losing player. They "do well" i.e. have 3 big winning sessions back to back. There is no "running hot" to them. This is especially brutal when they start off on a hot streak, which they will then use that as their baseline for all future sessions. When they win it's because they are skilled, when they lose it's because they got sucked out on. They never see it the other way around.

I recall trooper keeping results on a ****ing whiteboard at which point he took a a shot at 5/10 and won like 7k or something in a week. He should have immediately stepped down to 2/5 and tried to put out some volume but of course he lost like 5k of it back and then settled back into 1/2 and lost the rest. I assure you for that first week of 5/10 he probably thought to himself "ah, so this is where I belong, this is what I've been missing".

BTW the fact that he used a stupid ass whiteboard with scribblings no better than a toddler kinda speaks volumes of his intelligence level. I hate to rag on him for this but jesus it was so cringe that he cant even be bothered to use an app, spreadsheet, nothing. Just straight up ****ing boomerville like your uncle, except he's 40.
I think he thought the writing on the chalk board was 'cutsie'.

That is what I meant about him moving up in stakes.

I think as far as number of winning sessions? He may win at a higher rate. But his style will never let him win a ton in one session. Just not his style. He tends to get conservative when he is up money. He never rides the wave of a hot streak.

Do I think he will lose more when he does lose in the bigger stake games? Absolutely. Because when he does start to lose? He tends to TILT and lose big. Tilting in a 2-5 or 5-10 would be deadly for him because his bankroll is so low.
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10-14-2020 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by javi
This is the hallmark of a losing player. They "do well" i.e. have 3 big winning sessions back to back. There is no "running hot" to them. This is especially brutal when they start off on a hot streak, which they will then use that as their baseline for all future sessions. When they win it's because they are skilled, when they lose it's because they got sucked out on. They never see it the other way around.

I recall trooper keeping results on a ****ing whiteboard at which point he took a a shot at 5/10 and won like 7k or something in a week. He should have immediately stepped down to 2/5 and tried to put out some volume but of course he lost like 5k of it back and then settled back into 1/2 and lost the rest. I assure you for that first week of 5/10 he probably thought to himself "ah, so this is where I belong, this is what I've been missing".

BTW the fact that he used a stupid ass whiteboard with scribblings no better than a toddler kinda speaks volumes of his intelligence level. I hate to rag on him for this but jesus it was so cringe that he cant even be bothered to use an app, spreadsheet, nothing. Just straight up ****ing boomerville like your uncle, except he's 40.
Didn't he just comment on one of his vlogs when someone asked him where he keeps track of his sessions and he said "that's what the vlog is for"

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10-14-2020 , 01:43 AM
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Didn't he just comment on one of his vlogs when someone asked him where he keeps track of his sessions and he said "that's what the vlog is for"

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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here and chalk that up to him having a sense of humor.
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10-14-2020 , 04:20 AM
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10-14-2020 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Threeflight
Yeah I skimmed through it in about 30 seconds.

I saw him doing laundry. Making coffee. Dinner. And being condescending to his gf (not unusual) and his gf just laughing along to it like a good little girl. That woman has no backbone whatsoever.

Never in my life will I understand the amount of narcissism and ego it must take to make a video of yourself doing laundry and thinking people will find that interesting.
I don't understand how someone who dislikes trooper so much keeps watching his videos.

Haven't you been banned multiple times for ragging on him?
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10-14-2020 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I don't understand how someone who dislikes trooper so much keeps watching his videos.

Haven't you been banned multiple times for ragging on him?

1. I don't dislike him.

2. Are you the internet police?

3. No.
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