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08-29-2019 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
^^^ honestly feels a bit low for the two guys who invented MUGs
Brad filed for a trademark and once approved will begin collecting royalties from other vloggers who have copied his idea.
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08-29-2019 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist


... the casinos are most likely paying them out of the players' promo money that is taken out of every pot (not the rake, but the promo drop that is usually returned to players through high-hand and Monte Carlo promotions).
What makes you say this?
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08-29-2019 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist


I'm surprised no one on 2+2 is outraged that the casinos are most likely paying them out of the players' promo money that is taken out of every pot (not the rake, but the promo drop that is usually returned to players through high-hand and Monte Carlo promotions).

The casinos probably dgaf about whether they give that money back to the players or to vloggers, so I wouldn't doubt it if they are paying thousands. Which is ridiculous because a reasonable wage would be travel expenses and a flat appearance fee around $1000.
I know the MUG at MDL was 3/5 instead of 2/5. Maybe they dropped the extra dollar to pay Andrew and Brad. It'd be about $25/hr per table. Anyone know if this was the case?
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08-29-2019 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist


I'm surprised no one on 2+2 is outraged that the casinos are most likely paying them out of the players' promo money that is taken out of every pot (not the rake, but the promo drop that is usually returned to players through high-hand and Monte Carlo promotions).

The casinos probably dgaf about whether they give that money back to the players or to vloggers, so I wouldn't doubt it if they are paying thousands. Which is ridiculous because a reasonable wage would be travel expenses and a flat appearance fee around $1000.
probably because your 'most likely' is pure speculation and has zero basis. Where ever the money is coming from to pay for MUGs, I'd imagine is the same as when a room has a "WSOP Main Event Champion in town" event.
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08-29-2019 , 02:37 PM
Would you spend 1 day to fly in, 1 day to work, 1 day to fly out - 3 days total - to make $1000, a measly $300/day?

And of course this money is coming from promo dollars. It is a promotion and they most certainly are not using their money.

As far as promotions, I actually think it is money well spent. It actually draws a casual crowd and some of that crowd may be more comfortable coming back. I can't say that for most other promos.
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08-29-2019 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist


I'm surprised no one on 2+2 is outraged that the casinos are most likely paying them out of the players' promo money that is taken out of every pot (not the rake, but the promo drop that is usually returned to players through high-hand and Monte Carlo promotions).
Why would you think this is true?
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08-29-2019 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist


I'm surprised no one on 2+2 is outraged that the casinos are most likely paying them out of the players' promo money that is taken out of every pot (not the rake, but the promo drop that is usually returned to players through high-hand and Monte Carlo promotions).

The casinos probably dgaf about whether they give that money back to the players or to vloggers, so I wouldn't doubt it if they are paying thousands. Which is ridiculous because a reasonable wage would be travel expenses and a flat appearance fee around $1000.
Gambling regulations are pretty strict on how such money can be used. Doubt it allows for paying for appearance fees. Even when casinos close their poker room they still typically have to give all the money out in promos before they can close up shop.
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08-29-2019 , 05:38 PM
When I went to Trooper Thurs at the Westgate, his game was 1/3 and the regular game was 1/2. I ended up in the 1/2 as Trooper's waitlist was a bit long for me. I'd guess the 1/3 blinds simply make the drop at $10 etc happen quicker (& more likely), so it easily pays for the MUG itself with an extra $20 or $30 drop every hour, i.e. no deduction from promo $$$ is needed
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08-29-2019 , 05:50 PM
Why do people keep saying that 1/3 is dropping an extra dollar vs 1/2? What the blinds are has nothing to do with the rake, except for getting there quicker. This isn't California where they take the small blind as rake before the hand is dealt or whatever weird thing they do there.

As far as paying from promo fund, poker rooms do use that money for things like daily and weekly tournament guarantees that end up as overlays. They use the promo money to pay the extra money as guarantee is a promo.

I don't see how these 2 guys playing in the room is a promo. If it was Phil Ivey or Daniel or something like that then I could see it. I really don't get what the fascination in playing with Andrew and Brad is anyway.
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08-29-2019 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Why do people keep saying that 1/3 is dropping an extra dollar vs 1/2? What the blinds are has nothing to do with the rake, except for getting there quicker. This isn't California where they take the small blind as rake before the hand is dealt or whatever weird thing they do there.

As far as paying from promo fund, poker rooms do use that money for things like daily and weekly tournament guarantees that end up as overlays. They use the promo money to pay the extra money as guarantee is a promo.

I don't see how these 2 guys playing in the room is a promo. If it was Phil Ivey or Daniel or something like that then I could see it. I really don't get what the fascination in playing with Andrew and Brad is anyway.


Considering they are both long term winners I wouldn’t want to play with them, I’ll gladly sit with the other droolers who show up and fill extra tables though Las Vegas Poker Player Vlogs
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08-29-2019 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by trob888
I know the MUG at MDL was 3/5 instead of 2/5. Maybe they dropped the extra dollar to pay Andrew and Brad. It'd be about $25/hr per table. Anyone know if this was the case?
This is interesting. They did the same in FL at the Isle and that game is always 2/5 and they also doubled the max buy from 500 to 1k fwiw
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08-29-2019 , 07:18 PM
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08-29-2019 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DrunkTilt
This is interesting. They did the same in FL at the Isle and that game is always 2/5 and they also doubled the max buy from 500 to 1k fwiw
No they didn't. The max buy in for 2/5 at the Isle has been $1000 for over 18 months.

They made the MUG 3/5 just to differentiate it from the regular 2/5 games on the waiting list. Mostly because they allowed people to sign up for the 3/5 MUG like 3 weeks in advance to build up drama and anticipation.

Even during the MUG, one 2/5 table stayed open all evening.
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08-29-2019 , 09:37 PM
Did one of Trooper's richer fans give him a stack of cash at the WSOP and that's why he can afford to not work for a while?
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08-29-2019 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr

They made the MUG 3/5 just to differentiate it from the regular 2/5 games on the waiting list. Mostly because they allowed people to sign up for the 3/5 MUG like 3 weeks in advance to build up drama and anticipation.
Wow, that's a lot of advertising. So every time there's a MUG everyone who goes to that poker room for several weeks sees the signs and sees it on the list, so if they didn't know before they will discover that there are free poker training videos on YouTube. I would be interested to hear from local regs if they think the fish got better as a result.
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08-29-2019 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron

As far as paying from promo fund, poker rooms do use that money for things like daily and weekly tournament guarantees that end up as overlays. They use the promo money to pay the extra money as guarantee is a promo.
I didn't know that. I guess when people complain about "fake guarantees" those are tournaments run by people who don't have promo money to dole out?
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08-29-2019 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dc_publius
Would you spend 1 day to fly in, 1 day to work, 1 day to fly out - 3 days total - to make $1000, a measly $300/day?

And of course this money is coming from promo dollars. It is a promotion and they most certainly are not using their money.

As far as promotions, I actually think it is money well spent. It actually draws a casual crowd and some of that crowd may be more comfortable coming back. I can't say that for most other promos.
Okay pay them ten grand. Good for them.
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08-29-2019 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wilson1560
Gambling regulations are pretty strict on how such money can be used. Doubt it allows for paying for appearance fees. Even when casinos close their poker room they still typically have to give all the money out in promos before they can close up shop.
Some places that closed have put the leftover promo money into the progressive jackpot on their casino floor pit poker games like three-card poker.
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08-29-2019 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Why do people keep saying that 1/3 is dropping an extra dollar vs 1/2? What the blinds are has nothing to do with the rake...
Because some people are dumb.
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08-29-2019 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 18000rpm
Because some people are dumb.
Just because someone isn't informed about how blinds and rake works doesn't make them dumb. Are babies dumb or just haven't learned yet?
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08-29-2019 , 10:36 PM
Clubs needs 300 more subscribers so he can start getting checks. It'll be like $7 checks but still...

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08-29-2019 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Escapologist
Just because someone isn't informed about how blinds and rake works doesn't make them dumb. Are babies dumb or just haven't learned yet?
When someone is on a site dedicated to poker in a thread discussing MUGs in poker rooms, and apparently doesn't have a clue how rake or promotion funds work, then they are dumb.
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08-29-2019 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IQofTwoPlusTwo
When someone is on a site dedicated to poker in a thread discussing MUGs in poker rooms, and apparently doesn't have a clue how rake or promotion funds work, then they are dumb.
You don't need to know that stuff to play.

The WSOP Main Event was on ESPN. During it they showed a graphic with Rumnchess's player types. Anybody who saw that and googled anything having to do with it would have found this site. It's not a secret site for people who have read some poker books. Everybody and their mama is on 2+2!
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08-29-2019 , 11:33 PM
I know there are a lot of geniuses on 2+2 (seriously, not sarcastically) but no matter how smart you think you are, I disagree with anyone disdainfully calling someone dumb, because intelligence is genetic.

So be happy if you were born smart and don't look down on others who weren't born so lucky. Would you criticize and put down someone who was born with one leg? If not, why do you think it's okay to put down someone who was not born as smart as you?

This also goes for anything else that is all or mostly genetic including being short or having a small penis or being ugly. They can't help it, why would you be mean to them?!?

Also, the world needs all different kinds of people; average people are needed to do all the jobs that very smart people don't want to do.

BTW, the genes for intelligence are on the X chromosome which is why you should choose a smart woman to have children with if you want the best chance of having high-IQ children. That's also why there are more male geniuses than female geniuses (because when you have only one X chromosome the outlier gene for genius intelligence is expressed, but if you have two X chromosomes you need to have two outlier genius-level intelligence genes or it will be averaged down by the other gene).

/rant
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08-29-2019 , 11:51 PM
Hey Jeff, I'm really sorry about Clyde. I've been a dog owner my whole life and they truly are mans' best friend.

I hope you find some comfort in the memories of all the good times you had with him--they'll last far longer than the grief you must be feeling now.

RIP Clyde.
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