All of his pizza videos were completely embarrassing. Not sure what he was really going for as comparing a review of food content video provided by say Vice (pizza) or buzzfeed comparison videos to this was disgraceful content. He is about 50 years old? “Yo it’s the Trooper” LOL

Also, for a guy who is supposidly living his dream and loving freedom he sure complains a lot. Wouldn’t hurt to go see a dentist either

In other words, SOSDD.


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New study partner here. This discourse demonstrates why I sought a study partner rather than a discussion board to go over hands. I will likely regret registering on this forum just to jump into this mud.

In selecting a study partner, I wanted someone that had a different playing style from which I could learn. This is an example of our differences.

For me, QJo is a fold in UTG, UTG+1, and UTG+2.

Another difference is in those 2/5 games, I might open for $25 if I want it multi-way to the flop but $30 is my standard open for the typical 2/5 game there. Of course, I might adjust down due to the raiser on my right.

For the sake of discussion, had I made the loose open (out of boredom, winner's tilt, etc) and the action made it back to me to call $130 with $620 in the pot, I snap call the $130. ***Particularly if I had just crushed that week for several (many) thousand as this particular player had.

One comment was that it would be a "Trivial (pre-fop) shove". Why? You have little fold equity. If the flop comes and I don't have 2 pairs+ or at least open-ended, I fold to action and save my remaining stack -- feeling confident that I'm against AA or KK. I would consider it a $150 reminder not to play QJo in EP.

On a Q high flop, it would be an easy fold with top pair Q & J kicker with that action. Perhaps, if you can't trust yourself to play well post-flop -- a pre-flop trivial shove would be best. I trust myself to play post-flop.

With the ridiculously fvrbl flop of ATK and two to the flush ... I jam and hope the board doesn't pair or bring another diamond.

That's poker folks!

Blessings!

Thanks for commenting Rob!
Just a few things, and then I will leave this alone!

Much of the discussion has been about my pre-flop play. A few things....

• I don't do this often with weak holdings...maybe only a couple of times a session
• I WILL do it with several other very weak holdings (35s, 78s, A5, etc)
• If a good player can narrow you down to a "10-hand range" when you are in early position, you are gonna get killed! You better learn to be a bit more unpredictable than that!
• The meta-game is VERY important!

I really don't understand the people who wouldn't call getting nearly 5:1 with even better implied odds. Maybe $130 is a lot to them, but it is not to me. Would it be any different if you had to call $15 to win $70?


Yes and Yes!! Never getting these people to fold pre with only 440 left and 750 in the pot already. 100% agree on the trust of my play. I am OK with folding on a board that is not good for me. I mentioned the flops I would continue on in another post, and all of them were "big".

So what you're saying is that you'd rather discuss hands with someone that is far less experienced and successful than the players critiquing the hand ITT. Got it.

So your stylistic difference is that you play QJo properly from UTG and he plays it incorrectly.

LMAO...love the logic.

It initially sounded like villain was raising very liberally. If that were the case then this is a super easy GII. There is most certainly fold equity, if not from the initial 3bettor then from some of the other players and I'd expect most of them to fold given heros player profile unless they are literally willing to GII with a2c which I'm ok gii vs. Really though, if we think their ranges are quite strong that makes this a really easy fold preflop.

I'm sure you are just an amazing player folding top pair for under a pot sized bet vs a bunch of whales.

This is great stuff. I'm taking notes.

Ha! There ya go, Rob...welcome to Trollville!

Don't have an opinion
Don't take a stand on a hand
You CAN'T possibly be as good as these guys!

So great to get coaching and critique from Phil Ivey himself!

[QUOTE=Dream Crusher;54239573]So what you're saying is that you'd rather discuss hands with someone that is far less experienced and successful than the players critiquing the hand ITT. Got it

Is that you Doyle?

Depending on table dynamics and villain profiles I can maybe get on board with some non standard opens UTG like QJ off to mix things up, although in most cases trying to balance your ranges in a 2/5 game is more likely to lose you money compared with sticking to a standard preflop opening strategy. That said, calling the 3bet with the plan of folding to any cbet on a queen high flop is just lighting money on fire and is incredibly exploitable. Depending on board texture villain could very easily be continuing with tons of worse hands (profile is he 3bets light), like suited AK, AJ, A10, pocket 9s-Js, etc.

I agree. I think that I would have probably had a very hard time folding on a Q high flop, and you are right, that may be very exploitable. Thankfully for me, it did not come down to that decision.

Yes, that must be it. $130 is just so much money to us. Last week I insta 5-bet shoved for $5k+ with JJ vs 2 players. By comparison, a couple weeks ago in Vlog #38 you limped the CO with JJ with the hope that the button would "squeeze" (errr...raise) so that you could 3 bet to $500 and then you chickened out.

Correct. I am moving up in stakes and it WAS too much for me at the time, against a very good player in Randy (who I know you know). Everybody has their amount which is uncomfortable for them.

Good for you on the 5K shove...you're awesome!

I'm not claiming to be awesome. I'm simply refuting the little jab you threw out there.

Personally, if a long time successful Vegas pro like squid face chimed in and said that i played a hand bad I wouldn't get all defensive and start throwing jabs at those that disagree with me. I'd put all my energy towards critically analyzing my play to determine how I can play better in the future. You don't know what you don't know. That's true of all poker players.

i think the QJo has run its course, if he thinks he played it fine let him breathe. not every video has to have people playing hands the same way.

This ^ ^ ^

Fold to the 3bet, reverse implied odds.

I agree...let's get back to bashing others!!

So talking about poker hands is trolling now?

First off, I'm pissed because I'm local to Clayton and asked to be a study partner a long time ago and was shunned. ;-)

Second off, it's burning money against most lineups.

Bill, you're not going to flop 2pr+ or big draws anywhere close to 1 in 5 times. Beyond that, you're OOP so you're going to under-realize your equity.

You're not priced in to see a flop with ATC when you're getting 5:1 (because you don't always get to see the river, and because position effects playability). That's a leak in your thinking my friend.

I agree QJo UTG/EP is bad. But in an action game I’ll mske some bad opens if I’ve been card dead, so that I’m not getting shut out when I finally do get a hand/spot to play.

Though if that was the case, I wouldn’t call the 3! Here.

Dream crusher is on point here.

Wahbs logic is horrible and his strat partner is even worse. Along the lines of “i would make this play if i had been crushing the last week” what in the ****.

The commentary has really exposed wahbs as a low level thinking poker rec.

And of course wahbs defence is “lol, they are just trolls”, and “hey must think $170 is a lot of money”

No, your play is without sound logic, and people are pointing that out to you, yet you dont listen because you are currently winning money.

What happens on a board of J 7 2 rainbow. Do you check fold to a $150 bet with $600 in the pot. What about those sweet odds you love so much.

Oh yeah OG I heard about that Black Widow chick





Ah....Hahaha

+1

The real low-level thinkers are the folks who know exactly what Mr. Bill looks like, where he plays, how he plays, and any leaks, real or perceived, and choose to belabor his play in an online forum vs. showing up at his table to say hi and show their support for his vlog.

Especially if you already play in his room!

High-level thinker who probably already sent Mr. Bill an invite to the next Vloggers Live Stream Game.

If I was seeking coaching, I'd be grateful for the coaching that was given here. It was constructive and he got defensive and started with the jabs. Not very coachable