Very good poast with lots of bullseye points. Especially the last part about Neeme doesent get enough credit for how good a player he is. Mostly people get hang up on that he is a bit of a callingstation on the river here and there, and forget about his overall ability.

Regarding Vibes claimed winrates and hourly though i totally agree with the people who call BS on some aspects of what he says, like Borg in this thread and other posters in the winrates thread in the LLSNL forum. As mentioned from others, i also dont think he is lying when he reports about his stats. I have no reason to believe he isnt telling the truth, cause he seems like a very humble,down to earth likeable guy. I just think he has been running superhot though and well above expectation for the sample he has logged over the last 5 years or how long he have been playing 5/10. $150 pr hour is not a sustainable winrate long term in 5/10 games, the people who think it is have been smacked with a long stretch of positive variance so their views is biased.

He woudnt be the first one to underestimate the enormous effect of variance in livepoker, and for sure not the last. Also DGAFs legendary thread in the medium/high full ring forum is good source when it comes to a better understanding of variance in live poker:the main theme there amongst several top players (OP included who have logged around 20 000 hours of NL livepoker) is that variance is vastly underrated for so so many players, even lot of good pros.

Like, i know part time grinders personally who have played weekends regurarly for 4-5 years who have ran well enough over that sample to never have hit a major downswing.They show up and never get set over setted 5 times in 2 sessions for stacks. They dont repeatedly get on the wrong side of unavoidable coolers for stacks. They never run KK into AA 4 times in the same session. They never get repeatedly 2 or 3 outed for stacks over and over and over again for scary long stretches. If you ask these people, the answer gives itself: they simply dont know how bad it can get because they havent experienced it themself, and what i am talking about have nothing to do with skillsets or variance that you can avoid with your style of playing/deep stacks or whatever. If the doomswitch is on,its on.

Doug Polk was a world class heads up online player, once the best in the world. His viewership is built and catapulted off that, not his contrasting approach to Poker vloggers. Are you that thick? Vanilla Milkshake

That was an all time great post. I've probably seen every vlog from Neeme except a couple of the most recent ones and I can say that him going through his thought process made me a better player when I moved up in stakes and moved out of Vegas. I find my thought process in his hand histories being very similar and my longer sessions are becoming less swingy. He plays great poker and his style would steamroll some of these larger games in the big east coast rooms.

All this talk of JV's game dying reminds me of that one video where he called someone a whale (even though he later apologized for it). Was that the beginning of the end of his game? Did he kill the golden goose?

If I had a big, soft game near me I would never ever want someone to vlog about it, and if I saw someone start a vlog there I would actively try to discourage them from doing it.

#savethewhales

For all you Pokerkraut and Boski fans i happened to run into both of them playing at Mandalay Bay. Being the drunk bastard I was, of course I went up and said hi to both Boski and Pokerkraut (who i had met previously and is a super nice guy). On first impression, Boski would appear to be a tall skinny mother****er. Of course myself being 6'6", Boski did not appear to be of above average height.

I could understand his frustration having to sit down at my table with a bunch of action freaks instead of being seated at Pokerkraut's table. Lucky for him, he soon got to sit next to PokerKraut at another table. I'm sure they discussed how they intend to take over Youtube

While i had limited contact with Boski, he met additional fans in a jovial manner and I have nothing but positive things to say about him and he seemed genuinely happy to meet rando's like me coming up and saying "Hi Boski".

PS The mandalay bay 1/2 game is probably the best 1/2 game i've come across in Vegas.

I think boski woukd bevtge most genuine in real life. Anybody willing to make fun of others and himself (and good at it) is ok in my book.

I agree with this. Neeme and I arrived in Vegas about the same time 11 years ago. I spent 5 years in Vegas in the same games as Neeme before heading to Cali in search of bigger games and a better lifestyle. Ironically enough, I don't actually every remember playing any hands with him throughout those 5 years even though we were grinding the same stakes.

Anyway, making a living through live cash games is an all encompassing endeavor that has less to do with fundamentals and more to do with how you design your life. Andrew has consistently found a way carve out a living in Vegas over the course of 11 years, while maintaining a healthy relationship and lifestyle. That alone should speak volumes as to his poker prowess. If this was a poker school and he was given a report card, he might not have the highest grade in the GTO class, but he would for sure have straight A's and graduate with honors.

To think I haven't experienced variance to the point of questioning my existence or aptitude in poker over a 15K hour sample size is absolutely ludicrous.

Your content is great man keep up the good work. Hearing your thought process on hands has been a huge value. Poker IQ is top level.

Never played there but going in October. I'm curious why you say this when even with the vloggers this is one room you never hear about.

Let me clarify that i wasnt neccesary aiming my reflections on variance at you in my last post,even though i may expressed myself unclear. I have no interest or goal in belittle you, but we have to agree on disagreeing regarding achiveable winrates in livegames longterm.

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words.

Neeme plays pretty ABC if you pay attention. I have yet to see him 3bet in position with low suited connectors, nor have I seen him float the flop with the intention of stealing the turn. I've also seen him chicken out with barreling bluffs with AK, and not fire in position in orphan pots. In nitty Vegas games he is leaving money on the table by never doing these.

ABC wins the money in low stakes, but its not very difficult to play that style. You can see that 2/5 is his bread and butter, and that's where you can still find games that play similar to 1/3 so they are quite soft, although on the nitty side in Vegas.

I'm sure we must all be getting levelled by billy benchpress...

ITT we read a donk who can barely hack it at 1/2 critiquing the play of 2/5 and 5/10 players and giving them advice about how they could play better.

That’s definitely fair. I get a lot of questions about winrates and when the long term is reached, and my response for a while now has been that there are so many different dynamics from game to game that it’s impossible for me to give a blanket answer... That your first 300 hours on record can be different from your next 300 hours due to both your own poker strategy having been adjusted over that time, as well as where you’re playing, the lineups, game dynamics, etc.

Also agree with your take on Vegas games. And thanks for your kind words.

Mr. Bodybuilder you just admitted one page ago that you come in here to ****post when you’re bored and the conversation is too civil for your liking. Now that you’ve made this admission, the next step logically wouldn’t be more ****posting, but rather, thinking of something more productive to do when boredom sets in.

With all this knowledge, curious why you're still playing 1/2 so much? You said because you like to bumhunt, but there are bums at 2/5 too, as well as crushers at 2/5(the category you would seemingly be in). Potential 2/5 crushers don't bumhunt at 1/2. You've been leaving money on the table playing 1/2. How come?

A big chunk of that time was spent by me doing ok in 1/3 but spending too much on living expenses/being dumb in Vegas. However once I finally got to 2/5 I played with your bro here and there. I remember one hand where I called three streets with a pair of sevens on a K high board vs him, just because it’s him, and won. 😂

My text group talked a lot about your bro and how he was probably the best 2/5 player in town at the time.

haha yeah that sounds like my brother. He was a maniac in Vegas $2/5. I couldn't believe his stats. He basically destroyed Vegas $2/5 for like half a million dollars over the course of a couple years. It was unbelievable.

Probably because it's down at the extreme southern end of the strip. In my experience, though, there is always lots of action. The high hand of the hour (which rolls over each hour if not hit) is also a nice bonus. Probably the most friendly tables I've played at. Anything is better than the usual nit fests I've encountered at other strip casinos further north on the strip.....

BodyBuilder,

Just stop, for your own sake.

Find a friend or two in your local card room if you haven’t already alienated the entire room

I am guessing you were the tall, skinny, Caucasian male 35-45?

It is always nice to chat with viewers of the vlog. They give suggestions of how to improve the vlog and which episodes were their favorites. The stinky Frenchman and Odorgate are the most popular. No one has ever approached me and said bad things.

The floor man at MB was a viewer and gave Kraut and I a free buffet comp which we will use at a later date.

I'm not leaving any money on the table when the 1/2 games have over 1.5k effective stacks and everyone at the table looks like a degen. This happens at least 2 times a week in my room after midnight.

I mostly play 2/5 and I still consider myself a bumhunter but i also target scared money deepstacks when I bluff them off overpairs.

I have lived in Vegas previously for 2 years so I know exactly how the games pkay. I have no desire to battle other pros day in and day out so I got the f out of dodge.

Agreed. 15k hours is a large sample size for live poker. Even 500 hours is enough to know if you are a winning player if you're consistently playing the same game.