His flop 3bet range already includes non-flush hands. It doesn't need to be wider. You are wrong by insisting that he only has the nuts there and your entire argument collapses if you take out that faulty premise.

Playing it fast is probably Brad's best chance at getting stacks in because his range on the flop looks like flushes, pair+NFD, and maybe sets, while attempts to get it in on the turn or river look much more likely to be nutted. It doesn't have to be a superwide flop 3bet range, though. He probably shouldn't be three betting all sets and all pair+NFD hands to go with all his nut flushes.

I mean in a very 100% results oriented kind of way. 😠

I disagree with this like a million percent. Johnny is a regular at 5/T, he knows who Brad is, knows he's in a game a little over his head, and most importantly, knows Brad isn't semi bluffing or has non flush hands in his range. Johnnie check raised him on a monotone flop. That should scream flush or set. When Brad confidently made a $600 3bet, it was an easy fold (for JV, not for the average player or pro ).

I agree Brad should be thinking about getting stacks in, but the flop isnt the place to do it. Plan to get stacks in by the river instead and he might have a much better chance of doing so. He forced Johnny to play perfect, and that's what JV did.

Yeah, huge success at this "best chance" of choice when JV folds a flopped flush. A hand that Brad really should be stacking a big percentage of the time when you have a flopped flush over flush situation like this, or at least win big parts of JV stack.

If you still cant manage to understand what this is about,neither from my explenations or the explenations playbig2000 have provided i guess we are wasting our time.

Hours of serious poker discussion regarding this weeks LATB and we still get a jab a the trooper snuck in there this thread can’t help itself

If JV is folding flushes there, 1) Brad should open up his 3 bet the flop range. and/or 2) Brad should not 3 bet that flop.

Not really sure how that's even a debate

Can someone explain to me how to use my Amazon prime membership towards a Twitch subscription? If I click subscribe on LATB twitch for example, it just says $5.99 & details what emojis are included...

Link your Prime Account to your Twitch one and ta dah! When you go to sub it will ask if you want to use your prime sub, it’s month to month so you have to click it again at the end of the month and resub

Trooper's ability to rub a certain segment of the board the wrong way, is one of his strongest assets. It is a genuine asset if you are a Youtuber, to have people care about what you are doing, and since he isn't trolling in order to get views, it helps organically, and honorably, keep his numbers up.

Though he isn't an alpha male, he is far from a beta male, which would likely be the toughest thing to be, if you were in his shoes, trying to drum up interest and views. The phrase "nice guys finish last" actually has some science behind it. See Donald Trump, and also see Jordan Peterson explain it for you. However, Trooper appears to be a nice guy.....but not too nice.

Authenticity is what works. When people stay true to who they are, they have the most success. If Trooper took the advice of the haters, by definition, he would not have as great of success. British Open choker Jean Van DeVelde tried to explain this to the media after he blew the 1999 British Open. He played it the way he wanted to play it. That is how he always would play it. VanDeVelde, and the Trooper, only have to answer to themselves. I'm sure he reads all of the suggestions, but would never admit to seriously giving the haters the acknowledgment. Part of his advantage, is to never give in to that crowd. Cannot give that up.

Bgrif,

Your whole point is absurd because Van de Velde should have NEVER EVER hit driver off the 18th tee. Period.

Otherwise you may have some solid points...

I agree with the YouTube comments that the audio in Neemes’ latest sounds a lot better. I’m so bad at PLO that I can’t really comment on his play. But the video made it more clear to me how bad I am at PLO and it was actually more fascinating to me than I thought it would be. I probably felt how some of the inexperienced/bad NL players feel when they watch his NL videos and listen to him mention things in his thought process that they never heard before.

Of course I can’t tell how good he is at PLO either (besides the fact he is much better at it than I am).

I like seeing Boski do some cash game videos and hope it increases his number of subscribers/views.

What VanDeVelde explained, was that he had no regrets because he did it the way he wanted to. Only recently has he ever said that he had regret about a specific shot, and that is the shot from the deep rough...the one he hit into the burn. He says that he should have played out to the left.

But his point after the event, and for many years after, and even now, was that it was more important for him to be true to himself....and play it like a normal hole without the high stakes of winning the British Open, than it was for him to play safe and practically guarantee a win. For whatever reason, playing it his way, while compromising his chances to win, was the "right way", as he stayed true to himself. That is his explanation, and he seemed sincere. It doesn't make sense to many others, but that is his version, and I believe him.

Hell yea he should have laid up to the left. Classic Frenchmen hubris to not admit when one is clearly wrong.

Anyway I was just messing around with you because obv LOL VdV

Chris is an aggrotard fish who likes to make plays. Watch some old episodes before you play him again.


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If Ben Deach (or Dan Beach ) still pops in here, I enjoyed the scenery in the national park in vlog 16. Would've likes to have seen a bit more of it.

I just think your seeming characterization of Brad as some scared little girl quaking in fear at having to play a big pot with Johnnie is wrong. He posts enough vlogs about 5/T sessions that I don't think he should be considered as playing over his head.

Here is a 5/T hand where Brad describes 3bet shoving with AK on a JT32 board against an opponent he describes as better than him:



The way you describe him, one would think he can only have a set in that spot.

I can't speak for him, I'm fairly certain that Brad understands everything you have posted in this thread and understands that his range should include non-flushes, based on how he has analyzed other hands. I expect him to have a willingness to play back at other players to establish that he can't be pushed around and that this impetus will be stronger on a streaming game than a random Vegas 5/T game.

I think that you'd have to be a dumbass to routinely get stacked when you flop a nine-high flush against a bigger flush.

Like, do you think a deepstack cashgame crusher like JV comes to the LATB stream only to fold flopped flushes to any significant flop action?

The only way he is able to do that correctly, is because he is probably 80-90 percent sure that Brads range is too nutted in that spot, in this game, against him and in this context.

If not he would simply not been able to make this sort of laydown correctly. Like playbig2000 said wich was kind of a direct hit: Brad forced JV to play perfectly against him, and that is exactly what JV did.

Especially when he’s losing. He’s a pay off wizard with 100% of the time when he’s stuck.

Who's Trooper? (As someone would say if they only read the last 15 pages of this thread)

That's a totally different hand than the JV hand

Don't you understand how different they are? It has nothing to do with "raising against an opponent he describes as better than him" and everything to do with getting as much as your opponents stack in the middle while holding the nuts.

Koepka hit driver on 18 w a 2 stroke lead last weekend.

samsaclean and DonkerDo,

You are both exiled from this thread. Don't post in it again, bye.

oh man trooper is a car buying fish

Well, at least I got you to walk back from Brad being 100% nutted to JV thinking he might be 80-90% nutted.

Where you are making a mistake is that you are treating Johnnie as so much better than Brad than you think he can't make a mistake. I'm not disputing that JV is better, but that doesn't mean that he won't make mistakes. Did he make a mistake of laying down a hand that is a favorite against Brad's range here? Maybe, maybe not. But that range isn't 100% nut flushes. It could still be the correct laydown against a range that includes some worse hands. He might not fold a set where he would fold a small flush because, despite a nine-high flush being technically the better hand, the set has higher equity against Brad's range.

Johnnie, being a good player, can probably check-raise with a range wider than flushes and sets. Brad knows this and will likely make adjustments to his 3bet range. Will he make the right adjustments? I don't know, but I believe he can three bet with hands like sets and pair+NFD because he knows there is a chance those are the best hand and, if not, they can improve. He might not 3bet those hands with the correct frequency.

From a meta-game perspective, the fact that it is a streamed game makes it more likely that he is willing to make a move to either show off or build his reputation instead of nitting it up.

My point is that Brad Owen is someone who is not a stranger to 5/T and isn't some scared money nit when he plays those stakes. My argument is that the claim that he only 3bets with the nuts there is wrong. I will now modify that statement. The claim that he only 3bets with the nuts there is wrong unless no good player 3bets with a non-nutted range against a player like Johnnie.

My main criticism has been that you are wrong about his 3bet range. If I were to critique his play, I'd have to actually see the hand to be certain, but I suspect that the goal of playing for stacks was actually too ambitious and he should have set his sights lower.

hey shanaVegas


You're done in this thread too. Post again only if you want to get banned. Bye.