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08-14-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
Part of the reason why LATB is compelling is because of the diversity of the lineups. There are a very significant number of players who play in these games that you should definitely just go ahead and 3b the flop with the nuts there because they’re just NEVER folding after check raising. In that sense flatting is basically a negative freeroll since you risk a spade or board pair coming. This hand provides a window on the need to switch gears between GTO and exploitative based on the lineup which only really starts to become important at 5/10+ imo. And it’s easy to forget to make adjustments here and there when you’re in CA, there’s a lot of gambling going on, you’re in stream, you’re vlogging, etc etc...
I agree with this in general, but this was Brad putting in a big 3bet against one of the best player at the table, not a random LATB degen reg. I'm not worried about the board pairing or another spade killing the action, what that would mean is any time we have the nuts we should bet to end the hand in case we get drawn out on : /

Looking forward to watching you guys again tonight! (and fwiw I didn't notice any head shaking).
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08-14-2018 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
Part of the reason why LATB is compelling is because of the diversity of the lineups.

The LATB I used to watch had the same 10-12 guys on every night, so unless Ryan has had a change of heart since the debacles with Harry and Armenian Mike, I am going to very respectfully disagree with you Andrew.

My personal experience isn’t trying to get on wasn’t much better. (You are an unknown with no Hendon Mob, so “no”.)



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08-14-2018 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
Very good poast with lots of bullseye points. Especially the last part about Neeme doesent get enough credit for how good a player he is. Mostly people get hang up on that he is a bit of a callingstation on the river here and there, and forget about his overall ability.

Regarding Vibes claimed winrates and hourly though i totally agree with the people who call BS on some aspects of what he says, like Borg in this thread and other posters in the winrates thread in the LLSNL forum. As mentioned from others, i also dont think he is lying when he reports about his stats. I have no reason to believe he isnt telling the truth, cause he seems like a very humble,down to earth likeable guy. I just think he has been running superhot though and well above expectation for the sample he has logged over the last 5 years or how long he have been playing 5/10. $150 pr hour is not a sustainable winrate long term in 5/10 games, the people who think it is have been smacked with a long stretch of positive variance so their views is biased.

He woudnt be the first one to underestimate the enormous effect of variance in livepoker, and for sure not the last. Also DGAFs legendary thread in the medium/high full ring forum is good source when it comes to a better understanding of variance in live poker:the main theme there amongst several top players (OP included who have logged around 20 000 hours of NL livepoker) is that variance is vastly underrated for so so many players, even lot of good pros.

Like, i know part time grinders personally who have played weekends regurarly for 4-5 years who have ran well enough over that sample to never have hit a major downswing.They show up and never get set over setted 5 times in 2 sessions for stacks. They dont repeatedly get on the wrong side of unavoidable coolers for stacks. They never run KK into AA 4 times in the same session. They never get repeatedly 2 or 3 outed for stacks over and over and over again for scary long stretches. If you ask these people, the answer gives itself: they simply dont know how bad it can get because they havent experienced it themself, and what i am talking about have nothing to do with skillsets or variance that you can avoid with your style of playing/deep stacks or whatever. If the doomswitch is on,its on.
I think $150 is most likely his top month, not his long term average. That would be like saying I average $106 per hour playing 2/5 because on my best month that is what I did, but for the 6 month before I did $53 per hour and my lowest month was $28 hour recently. But if you ask me I say up to $100 +-, so I am not lying but I am misleading.
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08-14-2018 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
I’m always bouncing my leg and playing with chips, etc. Sometimes nervous energy. Sometimes boredom.
Could you talk honestly about what drugs/alcohol you're on when you play? Like Scotty Nguyễn who probably drinks a six pack or a whole case of beer because it makes him play better?
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08-14-2018 , 09:37 PM
giggles
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08-14-2018 , 10:44 PM
Hey kids here is a message from uncle Andrew.

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08-15-2018 , 12:12 AM
LATB tonight ridiculous.


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08-15-2018 , 01:03 AM
So far Andrew and Johnnie dont look very good against the Bike crazies.

Both playing way too timid and getting outplayed.

What is the deal with JV folding AQ on the turn after the ace hit?

The graphics seemed to be correct I guess JV just misread his hand or something?

Toto, we aren’t in Vegas anymore..
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08-15-2018 , 02:08 AM
Neeme folded top pair a couple times in big multiway pots when he had the best hand. Tough spots that always hurt.
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08-15-2018 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ICuRaRook
Neeme folded top pair a couple times in big multiway pots when he had the best hand. Tough spots that always hurt.
A bit shocking to me, but AN and JV are the two biggest fish at the table..
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08-15-2018 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
A bit shocking to me, but AN and JV are the two biggest fish at the table..


You are trolling right?
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08-15-2018 , 04:37 AM
Trolled by Stu Ungar himself. 3 time Main Event champ!
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08-15-2018 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Boomer
Could you talk honestly about what drugs/alcohol you're on when you play? Like Scotty Nguyễn who probably drinks a six pack or a whole case of beer because it makes him play better?
No drugs. I’ll have a few drinks during the MUGs and these livestreams, sometimes, but not tonight. Maybe I needed some to get on their level. That was quite a game.
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08-15-2018 , 04:51 AM
I was disappointed in Weez's game in the monday session, i'll watch the new one after work tonight. Captain Ki played well especially in the 444 hand against Brad. Congrats to Matt V on doing so well in that tournament.
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08-15-2018 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
So far Andrew and Johnnie dont look very good against the Bike crazies.

Both playing way too timid and getting outplayed.

What is the deal with JV folding AQ on the turn after the ace hit?

The graphics seemed to be correct I guess JV just misread his hand or something?

Toto, we aren’t in Vegas anymore..
I definitely did not fold a pair of aces tonight. I literally entered 4 pots while on stream. 2 of which were all-in hands. I was insanely card dead. Managed to book a $1.3K win. Had to fold the majority of the time but sometimes that’s what poker is... it’s not glamourous. It’s adjusting to the table and folding when the situations dictate folding.
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08-15-2018 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
I agree 100% - Johnnie though he had the best hand but when Brad raised to like 600 over his c/r, plus the fact that Johnny knows he's not likely doing that as a bluff or semi-bluff in a 5/T game, he pretty much told Johnny he has the nut flush.
Pretty much this in a nutshell.

This hand is about that Brad Owen needs to know (and i would believe he does regardless of turning the flopped nutz faceup to Johnnie in this hand wich obviously was a big mistake) that he just cant play the nutz like that against a savy,smart and experienced player as JV- AND expect to get payed off. You just cant, because JV knows that Owen doesent have nearly enough big flop 3 bet bluffs in a 5/10 game on stream like this against a very good player who have just check-raised him.

So, when its obvious to a good player that you dont have many (if any) bluffs in such a spot, youre left with only one decent option: wich is to choose a more unconventional line, or a more balanced line to widen your own range if you will aka flatting JV check-raise.
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08-15-2018 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TMoLV
I definitely did not fold a pair of aces tonight. I literally entered 4 pots while on stream. 2 of which were all-in hands. I was insanely card dead. Managed to book a $1.3K win. Had to fold the majority of the time but sometimes that’s what poker is... it’s not glamourous. It’s adjusting to the table and folding when the situations dictate folding.


It showed you had AQ again in the hand right after Abe hit 2 pair on the turn and doubled thru you. May not have updated your hand.


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08-15-2018 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
JohnnieVibes was undoubtedly the best player at the table, as he often is.

There was another hand early in the session where Johnny and Brad both flopped a flush. Brad raised pre in EP, but didn't realize there was a straddle so it was like a min-raise, and Johnny was able to come in cheap with I think 69 and flopped a 9 high flush. Brad flopped the nut flush. So Johnny, being OOP, went for a check raise on the flop. Brad quickly made a big raise which pretty much turned his hand face up and Johnny was able to make the fold.

It's an example of two very different skill levels. If Brad flatted the c/r, he would have gotten a lot more money off of Johnny.
I didn't see the hand, but your description makes it sound like Brad was trying to represent semi-bluffing with the nut flush draw by betting a large amount quickly. I do think he is capable of making this play with top pair or aces with the nut flush draw. It's not like he's some super-nit who only 3bets the flop with the nuts. If you do 3bet in this spot with pair+NFD, then you should balance it by sometimes 3betting with the nuts.

If you think that Brad's hand is face-up, then you believe it is also an easy fold for Johnnie if he flopped a king-high or queen-high flush instead of nine-high.
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08-15-2018 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I didn't see the hand, but your description makes it sound like Brad was trying to represent semi-bluffing with the nut flush draw by betting a large amount quickly. I do think he is capable of making this play with top pair or aces with the nut flush draw. It's not like he's some super-nit who only 3bets the flop with the nuts. If you do 3bet in this spot with pair+NFD, then you should balance it by sometimes 3betting with the nuts.

If you think that Brad's hand is face-up, then you believe it is also an easy fold for Johnnie if he flopped a king-high or queen-high flush instead of nine-high.
Sure, but is he doing it in a 5/10 game on stream facing a check-raise against a player i would guess he clearly respects such as JV with any real frequenzy at all?

I dont think so, and clearly Johnnie didnt think so either when he freaking folds a flopped flush right there on the flop. That is some serious ownage, wich should tell us all that Brad clearly did a big mistake with the line he went for here against an experienced skilled opponent.

Against a losing rec, fish or whatever, sure just monkey 3 bet the flop and make them stackoff drawing dead with a flush over flush situation: but not against skilled opponents in this scenario that will be able to make huge laydowns like this because they know you are underbluffing with this sort of line.
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08-15-2018 , 08:03 AM
I was embarrassed for all 3 fakes.
How short is Andrew? Give him a booster seat.
The phony vlogs will be coming soon.
Maybe Brad gave Andrew some cuddles last night after seeing him get outplayed by the fish.
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08-15-2018 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TMoLV
I definitely did not fold a pair of aces tonight. I literally entered 4 pots while on stream. 2 of which were all-in hands. I was insanely card dead. Managed to book a $1.3K win. Had to fold the majority of the time but sometimes that’s what poker is... it’s not glamourous. It’s adjusting to the table and folding when the situations dictate folding.
Johnny Keeping it real with the "I Love You" hat!
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08-15-2018 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
Trolled by Stu Ungar himself. 3 time Main Event champ!
Not trolling at all..but what I wrote, didn't come out right.

What I meant was you were being outplayed by the fish..not that you were the fish at that table.

Aren't you supposed to open up your range a bit when you are playing in the loosest, craziest game in the universe?

I counted at least a dozen hands you were ahead either pre or post flop, only to see you fold each time to a maniac with pip and zip.

Or is the strategy in these games is to only play the nuts, when everyone else is super loose?
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08-15-2018 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TMoLV
I definitely did not fold a pair of aces tonight. I literally entered 4 pots while on stream. 2 of which were all-in hands. I was insanely card dead. Managed to book a $1.3K win. Had to fold the majority of the time but sometimes that’s what poker is... it’s not glamourous. It’s adjusting to the table and folding when the situations dictate folding.
Then the graphics were wrong, even though it sounded like Feldman confirmed they were correct.

Congrats on booking a win..
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08-15-2018 , 11:41 AM
.Stu they all 2$ bills yo.

They all jizz over this irl and don't know it's comedy gold for the realist and illest.
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08-15-2018 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by WitchesCastle
I was embarrassed for all 3 fakes.
How short is Andrew? Give him a booster seat.
The phony vlogs will be coming soon.
Maybe Brad gave Andrew some cuddles last night after seeing him get outplayed by the fish.


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.Stu they all 2$ bills yo.

They all jizz over this irl and don't know it's comedy gold for the realist and illest.

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