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08-07-2017 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FWWM
It's still BS. If he had any interest in playing that game they certainly could have found a date that was convenient for him. IIRC the Stones casino guy even said they tried to get him on multiple occasions
If there is ever a vlogger game 2.0, they should have the hosts of their show record an open invitation for Trooper which tells him to pick the date and encourage fans to post about it in the comments of all Trooper vlogs until he responds.

They should even offer to let him blackball one other vlogger who won't be invited, because it would stroke Trooper's ego to be given that power. Then we can all laugh at him if he actually uses it.
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08-07-2017 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mrducks

The thumbs up/thumbs down ratio is also on totally different levels so it seems like most people agree with me. Trooper 5:1, which is a recent high for him. Neeme 125:1! Just wow!
Someone put up one of his videos from 2 years ago which had over 700 likes and only 34 dislikes. Some of his recent videos have more than twice as many views, and actually have fewer likes and a lot more people that clicked the thumbs down button.

So Trooper had a lot less haters back then. I don't think he had almost any haters yet. But he still was constantly complaining about the haters and complaining about 2+2 in that video.

There is also an older video before any threads in 2+2 about him, and he was complaining about haters. He didn't even have haters back then. His number of subscribers was probably around 200-300.

Last edited by Steve00007; 08-07-2017 at 05:03 PM.
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08-07-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
If there is ever a vlogger game 2.0, they should have the hosts of their show record an open invitation for Trooper which tells him to pick the date and encourage fans to post about it in the comments of all Trooper vlogs until he responds.

They should even offer to let him blackball one other vlogger who won't be invited, because it would stroke Trooper's ego to be given that power. Then we can all laugh at him if he actually uses it.
Trooper has criticized the game and given other reasons why it's a horrible idea. And some of his fans have bought into the idea that the vloggers game is a stupid idea. In his latest video Trooper said that everything he said about the game turned out to be right. So he was clearly suggesting that it would have been a horrible idea to play in it.
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08-07-2017 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
There is quite a big difference between a player having a smile on his face and a professional poker player jumping up from his chair and slamming his cards on the table and then pumping both of his clenched fists in the air like he just completely owned somebody. We've finally found a vlogger that is less self-aware than Trooper. If you feel the need to defend this sort of behavior then you should probably just self-ban for a while.
The key phrase by mrducks was genuine reaction. When the max buyin I typically have is $300 cap and I've only been doing this for a handful of months, I let my actions show just how excited I was. I didn't own anybody or really go on after the fact either, it was an in the moment gut reaction. After the fact was it too much? Yea sure, I don't need to stand up or put my cards down like that, but getting excited over a hand and rubbing it in someone's face are two different things. Everyone in the game saw that.
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08-07-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Conz
oh... Well he certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt on this one...


Or he could have not mentioned it at all like any normal, respectful adult and left it as a truly private matter.

Benefit of the doubt? For holding someone else's grief/bereavement over strangers heads so he could feel like "see asshats? I'm a good guy and you're jerks for talking about this." Actually bro, you're the jerk for talking about this, Trooper. Just shut up and let the topic die.

Still waiting for someone's face to be broken since I see people make Molly jokes likes every time he post something.
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08-07-2017 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right
And he lies for no reason too. That's what pathological liars do, they lie for no reason.

Lots of gambling addicts are also pathological liars.


I was pretty shocked he brought it up at all. Like what??? You have TrooperWare and Spin n Go apps and Big Berkey Water Filter and Pure Aggressions vlog you could promote. Yet, you talk about a vloggers game that you actively talked **** about and wanted nothing to do with that happened over a week ago?!? "What the hell is your major malfunction private???"
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08-07-2017 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
Someone put up one of his videos from 2 years ago which had over 700 likes and only 34 dislikes. Some of his recent videos have more than twice as many views, and actually have fewer likes and a lot more people that clicked the thumbs down button.

So Trooper had a lot less haters back then. I don't think he had almost any haters yet. But he still was constantly complaining about the haters and complaining about 2+2 in that video.

There is also an older video before any threads in 2+2 about him, and he was complaining about haters. He didn't even have haters back then. His number of subscribers was probably around 200-300.


I got called a hater last night on FB for joking to James Placek that Tim would felt him for 3 buy ins in a "great game"

The guy is triggered and melts like Nancy Pelosi in 70 degree weather...

I wouldn't be surprised if he had ran to red rock and dropped a G just to prove me wrong
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08-07-2017 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Or he could have not mentioned it at all like any normal, respectful adult and left it as a truly private matter.

Benefit of the doubt? For holding someone else's grief/bereavement over strangers heads so he could feel like "see asshats? I'm a good guy and you're jerks for talking about this." Actually bro, you're the jerk for talking about this, Trooper. Just shut up and let the topic die.

Still waiting for someone's face to be broken since I see people make Molly jokes likes every time he post something.
It was sarcasm
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08-07-2017 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikeking19
The key phrase by mrducks was genuine reaction. When the max buyin I typically have is $300 cap and I've only been doing this for a handful of months, I let my actions show just how excited I was. I didn't own anybody or really go on after the fact either, it was an in the moment gut reaction. After the fact was it too much? Yea sure, I don't need to stand up or put my cards down like that, but getting excited over a hand and rubbing it in someone's face are two different things. Everyone in the game saw that.


Exactly. You've been doing this a handful of months.

I think in 5 years you're going to look back at that clip and shake your head and go "what a fool I looked like then."

Did you play HS or competitive sports growing up? Anyone who did understands what you did was very poor sportsmanship regardless of your experience level as a "professional." People arguing that what you did was totally OK probably didn't play competitive sports or they had very poor coaches.

Act like you've been there before isn't about your feelings and emotions, it's about respecting your opponents and being gracious in victory.

It's sort of amazing to me that this topic didn't start and end on this singular point but I guess that's because we have a handful of people here who ask "Sportsmanship???"
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08-07-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Conz
It was sarcasm


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08-07-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackballed
All the time you have spent in this thread and you still don't understand how mob mentality works?
We have an anti-Trooper mob, an anti-BikeKing mob and a pro-Neeme crowd (mob seems like it doesn't really fit the Neeme fans, which is basically everyone).
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08-07-2017 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
The best response would have been to say 'On your bike', in a British accent..
I definitely blew that one
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08-07-2017 , 06:43 PM
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08-07-2017 , 06:55 PM
Trooper got outplayed big time by a 1/2 reg at Harrahs. lol
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08-07-2017 , 06:58 PM
He reminds us why he loses and has the worst hand analysis.
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08-07-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Act like you've been there before isn't about your feelings and emotions, it's about respecting your opponents and being gracious in victory.
Acting like you've been there before is a bit harder if you haven't actually been there before. I'm okay with him being as excited about his biggest pot ever as I would be with some wannabe tournament pro binking a win for his first six-figure cash. I wouldn't be excited in his spot, but I understand why he was.
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08-07-2017 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Acting like you've been there before is a bit harder if you haven't actually been there before. I'm okay with him being as excited about his biggest pot ever as I would be with some wannabe tournament pro binking a win for his first six-figure cash. I wouldn't be excited in his spot, but I understand why he was.


I think we're in agreement. As Andrew gets older and gets hundreds and thousands of hours in he'll look back and laugh and think it was sort of embarrassing like many of us do at our younger/less experienced selves.

I sort of blended two points between his own experience and the greater "act like you've been there before" pro/con itt

And for what it's worth I'm all for being excited. Even for being verbally emotional! The slamming the cards on the table and mini flex he or whatever it was, that's what's beyond the pale imo
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08-07-2017 , 07:10 PM
A hoodie-wearing backpack pro would not have reacted like that, but I don't want to watch a stream of a table full of players like that. I'm happy to watch someone who is still excited about poker and hasn't become jaded due to the grind. If he plays a lot of poker, he needs to look back and cherish the memory of feeling happy at a poker table to get through the times when it isn't so fun.
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08-07-2017 , 07:12 PM
Trooper says it make no sense for villain to limp re-raise with a monster in this spot, and yet completely ignores the fact that it makes even less sense to do so with 4-duece sooted. Also LMAO @ his logic preflop regarding putting in a 4 bet with 99 and also his river logic that it's a raise or fold spot.
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08-07-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
A hoodie-wearing backpack pro would not have reacted like that, but I don't want to watch a stream of a table full of players like that. I'm happy to watch someone who is still excited about poker and hasn't become jaded due to the grind. If he plays a lot of poker, he needs to look back and cherish the memory of feeling happy at a poker table to get through the times when it isn't so fun.
Aw now I'm sad thinking about an old, exhausted bikeking doling out Kinish like advice to younger players to cherish the moment.

"A 2 outer for a $1200 pot once made my week! Now I can't crack a smile at $5k pots when I bet kk into trup qq"
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08-07-2017 , 07:16 PM
It's not about being new or old to poker. It's about how one carries themselves and treats others as a result of how they approach life.
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08-07-2017 , 07:20 PM
I'm fine with Bikekings explanation. I don't mind the celebration and I can understand due to the commotion afterwards probably caused you to auto tip that two. I've forgotten to tip after a win before due to discussion afterwards. then remembered like 3 hands later that omg I think I forgot to tip the dealer then tipped the dealer.
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08-07-2017 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
It's not about being new or old to poker.

Yes... it is.

It appeared to be done out of naivete, not malice.
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08-07-2017 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
It's not about being new or old to poker. It's about how one carries themselves and treats others as a result of how they approach life.
It's an understandable and easily forgivable mistake, if it is a mistake. Some people seem to believe that this, combined with his $2 tip (which is not a mistake), is evidence that he is a man of flawed character. Those people are wrong.
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08-07-2017 , 07:28 PM
Idk about you guys but I don't think trooper thinking he has to 100% 4bet 99 on the btn in this spot is correct.

Again his like "I knew xb the turn was bad because it gives him the green light to fire river" like what kind of lulgic is this. Why not talk about on QTxQ why 99 may not be the best xb bluff catch river combo etc.

Anyway spots like this vs limp/raisers pre are interesting imo.

Like idk he wins in the games so who am I to judge right.
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