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02-08-2017 , 09:45 PM
Any chance their is a secondary socialist angle behind them? The primary obviously maximizing revenue.

I have no idea what it would cost to run that type of network for a whole hotel to have WIFI or upkeep and safety/insurance cost for a gym. If the hotel feels they need those ammenidites(sp) but aren't able to make solid revenue on them when they are a la carte it only makes sense to make it a socialist practice.

The price is outrageous so it most likely isnt that but thought I would be the thought out there.
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02-08-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
that's part of it. the other part is being intentionally deceitful to customers they figure won't bitch when they come to vegas 3 days a year and find out at the last minute.

you can book rooms even compd rooms directly on these casinos websites and still get bent over with resort fees.
This doesn't happen anymore though. The resort fees are disclosed, along with the final total price, before you confirm your reservation. There is no "gotcha" after the fact.
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02-08-2017 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by zdaddy
So here is the question, am I alone in my thinking, because sometimes I think I am, my solutions seem quite simple
nah bro your solutions are not feesable
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02-08-2017 , 11:29 PM
I despise the resort fees. I'm going for a week in April and have decided to stay at Palace Station because they only charge $16.86 per night for their resort fee and I'll actually get some benefit from it unlike the strip hotels. They have a shuttle to and from the airport and a shuttle to and from the the strip so I don't mind it as much there.

To have to pay $32 plus a day for a strip hotel when I won't use any of the services they mention just infuriates me. But the public never fought back when they started charging it and my guess is the fee will increase to at least $40 by the end of the year.
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02-08-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
This doesn't happen anymore though. The resort fees are disclosed, along with the final total price, before you confirm your reservation. There is no "gotcha" after the fact.
nonsense.
your prices show up in the search engines without a resort fee.
same if you look on tr or mgm's calendar. i agree at the last step you'll likely see the resort fee before you book it but it's still done to **** people over with artificially low prices.if it was done purely to screw orbitz expedia etc then on tr or mgms own sites they would just list full prices.it's still a gotcha it's just not at the desk all the time.

comped sound a lot better than 35 a night with fees.so do 30 dollar rooms that are really 70 after all taxes.and of course you're going to get people who book a room for them and their friend that tell their friend "hey it's x dollars" the friend said ok and they just book it.

like i said it's 100 percent a scam.but they're going to keep pushing it and at some point push too hard and **** themselves over.
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02-08-2017 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
I despise the resort fees. I'm going for a week in April and have decided to stay at Palace Station because they only charge $16.86 per night for their resort fee and I'll actually get some benefit from it unlike the strip hotels. They have a shuttle to and from the airport and a shuttle to and from the the strip so I don't mind it as much there.

To have to pay $32 plus a day for a strip hotel when I won't use any of the services they mention just infuriates me. But the public never fought back when they started charging it and my guess is the fee will increase to at least $40 by the end of the year.
they're scum but not stupid. they didn't start at 32 dollars for a reason.
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02-08-2017 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by okno
I'm more than happy to pay the inevitable resort fee if I'm getting a comped room.
sure and 95% of the time i've paid for a resort fee it's been on a comped room.
and it's the only time i don't try to bull**** my way out of it.
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02-09-2017 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Bukafax
Any chance their is a secondary socialist angle behind them? The primary obviously maximizing revenue.

I have no idea what it would cost to run that type of network for a whole hotel to have WIFI or upkeep and safety/insurance cost for a gym. If the hotel feels they need those ammenidites(sp) but aren't able to make solid revenue on them when they are a la carte it only makes sense to make it a socialist practice.

The price is outrageous so it most likely isnt that but thought I would be the thought out there.
Probably, with the spa/gym. I mean, who can't wait a few days to go home and use their gym there? I can't imagine very many people were paying to use that stuff.

They were making big profit before resort fees with internet connections, is my guess. The wifi equipment is cheap, hardly ever breaks, and the bandwidth they are buying is pennies a day per room. They've got some personnel and switching equipment costs, but it's probably lower than the spa/gym.
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02-09-2017 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Probably, with the spa/gym. I mean, who can't wait a few days to go home and use their gym there? I can't imagine very many people were paying to use that stuff.

They were making big profit before resort fees with internet connections, is my guess. The wifi equipment is cheap, hardly ever breaks, and the bandwidth they are buying is pennies a day per room. They've got some personnel and switching equipment costs, but it's probably lower than the spa/gym.
I think people are falling for the hotels' BS when they believe these 'resort fees' actually have anything to do with hotels' cost of providing these amenities. Count up the amount of square feet and cost required for these services relative to the total space and cost of running the hotel and it's nearly a rounding error.
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02-09-2017 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
To have to pay $32 plus a day for a strip hotel when I won't use any of the services they mention just infuriates me. But the public never fought back when they started charging it and my guess is the fee will increase to at least $40 by the end of the year.
Venetian is already $39/day, at least for future bookings.
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02-09-2017 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wetleg
I despise the resort fees. I'm going for a week in April and have decided to stay at Palace Station because they only charge $16.86 per night for their resort fee and I'll actually get some benefit from it unlike the strip hotels. They have a shuttle to and from the airport and a shuttle to and from the the strip so I don't mind it as much there.

To have to pay $32 plus a day for a strip hotel when I won't use any of the services they mention just infuriates me. But the public never fought back when they started charging it and my guess is the fee will increase to at least $40 by the end of the year.
Is your position ... I would happily pay $32 plus a day more for the room if they simply raised the price of the room and didn't call it a resort fee?

This whole argument makes no sense to me. OP would happily pay $75 more to fly on southwest than an airline that breaks their costs down and tells you $x amount is for checked bags

It seems to me a rational human being would simply figure out the total prices and compare those and not worry about how the hotel or airline designates the fees.

I certainly sympathetic to the fact that hotels in vegas are getting more expensive and I see how that can upset you. But are you really upset that they are charging you a $32 resort fee or are you just upset that the cost has gone up $32
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02-09-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
It seems to me a rational human being would simply figure out the total prices and compare those and not worry about how the hotel or airline designates the fees.
If the information was readily available for rational decision making, it wouldn't be an issue.

The sites did not used to include resort fees. They do now, apparently, but it shows up later - i.e., you cannot search by resort fee.

Airlines play the same games. So if you're a tall guy with one carryon bag, is it cheaper to book Airline Plus with a carryon fee and no meal, or Airline Standard plus a $25 exit row upgrade no carryon fee meal included? Or a different airline altogether which has bigger standard seats? It's super frustrating, if not impossible, to figure out.

The problem isn't the charges. It's the lack of transparency. And the solution isn't lower prices. It's the ability to compare apples to apples. And the target of ire should not be the hotels, but the search sites.
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02-09-2017 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
Is your position ... I would happily pay $32 plus a day more for the room if they simply raised the price of the room and didn't call it a resort fee?

This whole argument makes no sense to me. OP would happily pay $75 more to fly on southwest than an airline that breaks their costs down and tells you $x amount is for checked bags

It seems to me a rational human being would simply figure out the total prices and compare those and not worry about how the hotel or airline designates the fees.

I certainly sympathetic to the fact that hotels in vegas are getting more expensive and I see how that can upset you. But are you really upset that they are charging you a $32 resort fee or are you just upset that the cost has gone up $32
it makes perfect sense. people don't like being ripped off and lied to. don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining.
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02-09-2017 , 06:14 PM
I don't think it's a lie. And I don't think a $150 room with a$32 fee is anymore of a ripoff than a $182 room
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02-09-2017 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
I don't think it's a lie. And I don't think a $150 room with a$32 fee is anymore of a ripoff than a $182 room
Then what's the purpose of the $32 fee?
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02-09-2017 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
If the information was readily available for rational decision making, it wouldn't be an issue.

The sites did not used to include resort fees. They do now, apparently, but it shows up later - i.e., you cannot search by resort fee.

Airlines play the same games. So if you're a tall guy with one carryon bag, is it cheaper to book Airline Plus with a carryon fee and no meal, or Airline Standard plus a $25 exit row upgrade no carryon fee meal included? Or a different airline altogether which has bigger standard seats? It's super frustrating, if not impossible, to figure out.

The problem isn't the charges. It's the lack of transparency. And the solution isn't lower prices. It's the ability to compare apples to apples. And the target of ire should not be the hotels, but the search sites.
It shouldn't be easy. If you want to save money you should have to put some effort into it. Then you've earned it.
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02-09-2017 , 09:40 PM
Just curious how many of the posters in this thread travel to major cities and stay at nice to above average hotels? With resort fees and parking fees, Vegas room nights are stupid cheap....

Just sayin....
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02-09-2017 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
I don't think it's a lie. And I don't think a $150 room with a$32 fee is anymore of a ripoff than a $182 room
This.

Resort fees are like taxes, they're not going anywhere and you really don't have any say about what "amenities" its getting distributed to. Unless you're staying at the Dead Hooker Inn, you're going to run into resort fees pretty much anywhere you travel to. I mean I'm staying at Harrah's in Laughlin in a few weeks (far from special), and they still charge $11 for a resort fee (on a comp'd room).

If you're really that up in arms about it, factor it into the price. I know I do. I'm staying at the Palazzo the last weekend of March, and when I was shopping around I factored their $39 resort fee into the total price of the room. It isn't rocket science, and the fees aren't going anywhere. If you don't like it, don't go to Vegas. Simple.
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02-09-2017 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
It shouldn't be easy. If you want to save money you should have to put some effort into it. Then you've earned it.
Let me rephrase.

If it's not easy then the market is inefficient.
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02-10-2017 , 12:23 AM
Of course its nicer to see the price $0+fee/tax instead of $40 included all. Its called advertising.

I remember 3.5 years ago I had to pay $12 a day for internet at Stratosphere. And I did, and it was sloooow. Cant remember if there was a resort fee there.. I understand that 5-10 years ago when the hotels bought internet solutions, someone had to pay for it, and that was -> you and me. But now its paid for long time ago.

For Europeans like me, its nice with "free" internet to use in the room and in the casino. It cost alot to be on the mobile net, so I guess we accept it more than US citizens.

Btw, I have never used the gym/spa/newspaper/local calls or other things that the resort fee is for, so of course its a bit wasted for me too
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02-10-2017 , 12:38 AM
Did somebody itt really complain about having to click a mouse too many times to figure out what the bottom line cost is? Unbelievable.
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02-10-2017 , 12:41 AM
One of the reasons that we have baggage and resort fees is that they are taxed at a lower rate than air fare or hotel rates, leading to an opportunity for tax arbitrage. Maybe things would change if resort fees were subject to the hotel occupancy tax.
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02-10-2017 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Trixie2
Just curious how many of the posters in this thread travel to major cities and stay at nice to above average hotels? With resort fees and parking fees, Vegas room nights are stupid cheap....

Just sayin....
lol why do people make these terrible comparisons?
vegas rooms are cheaper than other places bc


1) these expensive cities don't have casinos attached to their hotels
2)parking isn't abundant in these expensive cities
3)the land slightly off the strip is dirt cheap
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02-10-2017 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
One of the reasons that we have baggage and resort fees is that they are taxed at a lower rate than air fare or hotel rates, leading to an opportunity for tax arbitrage. Maybe things would change if resort fees were subject to the hotel occupancy tax.
they are
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02-10-2017 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ec_outlaw
Did somebody itt really complain about having to click a mouse too many times to figure out what the bottom line cost is? Unbelievable.
did someone itt act like casinos being scumbags and blatantly ripping people off doesn't warrant people being angry? unbelievable.
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