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09-14-2018 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kansaisupra
I took a quick trip to Vegas yesterday and I totally forgot how sad Mandalay Bay poker room is run.

First off it’s a beautiful room. Too bad I forgot how it’s run like a soup nazi

1) no black chips play at 1-2
2) dealer bank is a bank out only not in. Dealer was low on $1 chips i offered to swap since I had a lot. Dealer says sorry can’t do that it’s a gaming violation...
3) I can’t sit backwards in a chair.. it’s a liability. Floor was a complete dick about it
4) tourist was talking to a local about high hand promo in chopping Sb vs B.B. and while dealer was shuffling, dealer says you can’t talk about that.
5) two foreigners who had no idea how to play were talking about basics of the game and not during a hand dealer says only English. No way they were talking strat but just basics.
6) a newbie player was confused about utg straddling and btn straddling and when it was his turn. Different dealer was getting upset for not acting in time.

Never was really upset but they sure made me not want to come back and play. This room feels like it’s gonna die soon
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was......

It has been pretty much like that since the day it opened. Unless there is some other reason than your complaints, the room ain't gonna die soon, but feel free to stay away.

Seriously. "no black chips play at 1-2", "dealer says, "only English", can't sit backwards in chair, ..... "oh my God, the horror"!!! The room has a great, open layout with a high ceiling, comfortable attractive visual setting, plenty of sports traffic and tourist flow right past the front, loose games, good cocktail servers, and good dealers generally.

(I do agree about the past management, who while friendly enough in conversation had a ton of rules which inhibited "fun". That seems to have relaxed a bit.)

Last edited by Gzesh; 09-14-2018 at 12:37 PM.
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09-14-2018 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
I always thought Mandalay Bay poker should be a lot better considering the nice property.

MGM should have closed Mandalay Bay's poker room instead of the Luxor..the Luxor was of course much smaller and not as nice, but the employees always seemed friendly, and the room had a nice vibe..


The Luxor room was great! Fast drink service, very friendly dealers and floor staff. It was my “home room” in Vegas from 2013 til it closed and I’m still really sad about it. Last time I was in town I stopped by the property and got depressed seeing all these slot machines sitting empty in the room at 8pm.

Sadly MGM made a decision not based on the quality of the room or its long term potential but on the fact that MB has a consistent stream of large conventions that cycle in new idiots who want to wander down after meetings or group dinners to have their “Rounders” moment.

Ugh, yes it’s visually a nice room but what a life suck that hole is.
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09-14-2018 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
The Luxor room was great! Fast drink service, very friendly dealers and floor staff. It was my “home room” in Vegas from 2013 til it closed and I’m still really sad about it. Last time I was in town I stopped by the property and got depressed seeing all these slot machines sitting empty in the room at 8pm.

Sadly MGM made a decision not based on the quality of the room or its long term potential but on the fact that MB has a consistent stream of large conventions that cycle in new idiots who want to wander down after meetings or group dinners to have their “Rounders” moment.

Ugh, yes it’s visually a nice room but what a life suck that hole is.
The Luxor was the very first poker room I played at in Vegas. They had that rule where you could buy in for $300 I believe, but if you dropped below; even $1, you could add on $100. It was full of tourists; myself included, and just a ton of fun. I played there again a couple years later and the vibe was the same and the atmosphere was festive.
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09-14-2018 , 07:47 PM
Agreed. Luxor atmosphere was so much nicer in terms of staff and people. Generally the games were fun for tourists. Kinda sad how not many locals went there
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09-14-2018 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kansaisupra
Agreed. Luxor atmosphere was so much nicer in terms of staff and people. Generally the games were fun for tourists. Kinda sad how not many locals went there


Supra is reminding me of a trip in about 2015 where I went to play Colossus and played cash at Luxor because most of the big rooms had 100+ person waiting list. I was playing sitting backwards, drunk on endless rum and cokes with about $800 in front of me and being generally silly. A middle aged couple and their son replaced a couple of people who moved on to the pits.

These new additions were clearly locals and one of the most miserable looking families I have ever seen. Worst of all the parents were berated fishy tourist at the table who were outplaying their son who was absolutely horrible at the game (they were also sucky and had clearly taught him how to suck too.)

I ended up calling off the Dad’s short stack with bottom set on a flop where he made Top/Top with AxKx. The Dad muttered some bullcrap and I said something about locals being miserable people who ruin fun for people trying to enjoy life, it was a real buzzkill.

I remember thinking that most locals not coming to Luxor was one of the best traits of the room. The local nits at rooms like Harrahs absolutely ruin that room for any kind of fun/casual play so to locals I say beeyoft
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09-17-2018 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kansaisupra
I took a quick trip to Vegas yesterday and I totally forgot how sad Mandalay Bay poker room is run.

First off it’s a beautiful room. Too bad I forgot how it’s run like a soup nazi

1) no black chips play at 1-2
2) dealer bank is a bank out only not in. Dealer was low on $1 chips i offered to swap since I had a lot. Dealer says sorry can’t do that it’s a gaming violation...
3) I can’t sit backwards in a chair.. it’s a liability. Floor was a complete dick about it
4) tourist was talking to a local about high hand promo in chopping Sb vs B.B. and while dealer was shuffling, dealer says you can’t talk about that.
5) two foreigners who had no idea how to play were talking about basics of the game and not during a hand dealer says only English. No way they were talking strat but just basics.
6) a newbie player was confused about utg straddling and btn straddling and when it was his turn. Different dealer was getting upset for not acting in time.

Never was really upset but they sure made me not want to come back and play. This room feels like it’s gonna die soon
I think some of those are good things. Other rooms have the same rules about not talking about promos when it’s sb vs. bb. Other rooms also have English only rules; some dealers will just enforce it more than others so it might have been a dealer issue instead of a room issue in your case, and I often like it when the dealer does their job and enforces that. And personally I hate black chips in a 1-2 game. I’ve seen way too many players have hidden black chips behind their stack and not every room will allow those chips at the table either.

#6 isn’t about a room having strict rules either. Worst case scenario is the dealer was being a dick.

#2 is weird but it’s not a big deal IMO.

They used to be much more strict with rules but I don’t think that is the case today.
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09-18-2018 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill

I doubt anyone wants resort fees.
It was classic marketing and a perfect study in game theory. You the customer and them the corporation would both be better off if they were just part of the price as they once were but once one hotel chain did it they all had too. People look at a tv priced at $999 and a tv at $1,000 and virtually all of them see the difference as exponentially more than $1. People are ****ing idiots and marketing genius use that to make everything ultimately suck a little bit more than it has to be. (Oh and getting older does that too).
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09-18-2018 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by superleeds
People look at a tv priced at $999 and a tv at $1,000 and virtually all of them see the difference as exponentially more than $1.
This isn't quite right, because what the hotels and airlines dick around with isn't the price per se but the service.

It'd be more like a $999 TV where the cord is not included so there's a $200 cord fee, compared to a $1,300 TV where the cord is included and that has a $100 rebate offer. When the search sites just list the nominal price for differing products, the difference appears to be $400 ($999 gets rounded down to $900 in peoples' minds, which is why people think $999 is so much less than $1,000).
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09-18-2018 , 01:53 PM
Yeah the tv thing wasn't an analogy to resort fees just another way a marketing ploy was genius for 6 months but ultimately just made the world a little crappier.
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09-28-2018 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoe
I know I was a bit critical in this thread, but I still enjoy every trip and look forward to going back too. I just feel like every time I go, I get a bit less value than the time before, which at some point will make me consider other destinations as I already have a couple times. Whether that be increased resort fees, lower odds at blackjack and video poker, it does seem like every year something is less value than the year before. That is my main gripe. I know some complain about parking, that doesn't matter to me as I never drive there, but I can understand how that is just more of the same that I have been feeling for those who do. It's not enough to stop me from going or enjoying a trip, but certainly is for others.

Part of it might be I don't have any Caeser's or MGM properties by me so unless I go to Vegas many more times per year than I'm already going, I'll never even come close to a level to waive resort fees or anything like that. I don't play slots but am willing to lose several thousand per trip but even when doing that at craps and other table games I get like 200 tier points and no special treatment after going all across for like 3 days straight. I only go once or twice per year or so barely get any benefits than sightly reduced room rates. You would think there would be resorts willing to comp my stay without resort fees.

I'm at the point where it is not even really worth using a card for the couple trips I take per year, or at least not if I stick to craps/blackjack.
You can get Diamond by getting a credit card called FoundersCard. Here's a post about it:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1814

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Originally Posted by debater
I am diamond at CET.

I got diamond from the Founders Card. I paid $590 for two years. You can get the $295 annual rate if you pay two years in advance. You will have to negotiate this, and then you get it for life.

I have done this for two friends.

Don't forget that there are additional savings you get as a Diamond beyond the resort fee abatement.

I just stayed at the Caesars Palace for 6 nights for $250 in the Palace Tower (3rd level of room of the 5)rooms. This was due solely to Diamond, and not due to play.

I also cut the line at Bacchanal Buffet. 5 mins. vs. 1 hour or so for regular line.

You also get a free 2 night stay at Atlantis every year.

You also get free parking.

You get $100 free meal each year.

Plus other stuff: https://www.caesars.com/total-rewards/benefits-overview

Debater
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10-03-2018 , 10:58 AM
Just FYI, FC is not a credit card, it's a membership-based "club" that provides a combination of discounts and access to loyalty programs that is generally geared toward business travelers.

I suspect if you were to carry the actual FC card with you, it would get confiscated by TSA
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10-04-2018 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Tall_Cool
After 26 years of making 2-4 trips per year I have finally reached the point of not getting excited about a visit. I will continue to go once a year, mainly to meet a group out there as a tradition.

I burned out on poker about 4 years ago. I no longer have the patience to sit for hours waiting on the cards. I still enjoy the pit games but winning or losing a couple thousand $$ on a trip means nothing.

The food is overpriced and the bums are just annoying. I can't believe Fremont street doesn't police this more strictly.

I don't know if Vegas is at fault or if it's just me, but I'd rather spend time with a drink in hand on a beach somewhere. I do find it amazing that casinos are actually trending towards taking away perks when they should be doing the opposite, IMO.

I'm 47 and have been visiting since I turned 21. That's all....
I'm 52 and haven't been to Vegas since 2014 and this is after being obsessed with the place since I was 8 years old and having my first trip there when I was 18 and going almost every year since. Once I got the poker bug, I'd go for 2 weeks+ during the WSOP starting in 1994 and almost every year until 2014. I was obsessed with poker prior to the boom, the mystery of it all and especially the characters involved and the seedy aspect of it. I'd fly to Atlantic City, NYC, Vegas, drive to Shreveport just to get a fix. I even bought a van and traveled the country for 4 months back in the late 90's with the plan of trying to go pro in Vegas playing limit poker (lol, I lasted about 4 weeks before I threw in the towel and gave up on the pipe dream).

While I still enjoy watching, I dont enjoy it as much because the way to become good these days typically ends up with bookish, anti-social types rising to the top whereas the old school guys had to be social, quick witted, street smart, entertaining to play as well as being good at the game. I found guys like Puggy Pearson, Amarillo Slim, etc to be fascinating characters, don't seem to see folks like these anymore. I have an appreciation, albeit different, for the best players today, I just don't find them as alluring or entertaining but perhaps I've crossed the fuddy-duddy line and thats just me getting old.

Poker seems like a pretty futile pursuit as well. The time and effort required to eek out a small edge doesn't seem worth the time and if you're young and have the ability to succeed in poker, I think you're wasting your talents that could be much better used and far better compensated in some other endeavor whereas 20 years ago, the sky seemed to be the limit.
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10-04-2018 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Poker seems like a pretty futile pursuit as well. The time and effort required to eek out a small edge doesn't seem worth the time and if you're young and have the ability to succeed in poker, I think you're wasting your talents that could be much better used and far better compensated in some other endeavor whereas 20 years ago, the sky seemed to be the limit.
I still harbor the dream that someday I might win a bracelet AND a million bucks to go with it.

OTOH if I give up poker for good, I can spend that bankroll on foolish things!
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10-04-2018 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I still harbor the dream that someday I might win a bracelet AND a million bucks to go with it.

OTOH if I give up poker for good, I can spend that bankroll on foolish things!
I hope you do my friend, I used to think I could bink one myself but I've fallen so behind and the one advantage I had, patience, is all but gone and probably not that valuable anymore anyway. Damn, I miss the buzz I used to get from playing the game

I'm pretty sure Id be better off playing the slots in an attempt to win a progressive jackpot vs trying to bink a tourney with a big pay day
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10-04-2018 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
I hope you do my friend, I used to think I could bink one myself but I've fallen so behind and the one advantage I had, patience, is all but gone and probably not that valuable anymore anyway. Damn, I miss the buzz I used to get from playing the game

I'm pretty sure Id be better off playing the slots in an attempt to win a progressive jackpot vs trying to bink a tourney with a big pay day
Hey, that's what I can use my poker bankroll for!

I throw a twenty or two in a Megabucks machine ($10+ million jackpot) on every visit. And while a million isn't going to happen, a couple hundred grand is within possibility on video poker. I check leon's thread 10 times a day.
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10-04-2018 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Hey, that's what I can use my poker bankroll for!



I throw a twenty or two in a Megabucks machine ($10+ million jackpot) on every visit. And while a million isn't going to happen, a couple hundred grand is within possibility on video poker. I check leon's thread 10 times a day.


Or at the very least a few hundred thousand coin in, right!?
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10-04-2018 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Or at the very least a few hundred thousand coin in, right!?
... which will get you a lot of "free" buffets, rooms, and drinks.
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10-04-2018 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I check leon's thread 10 times a day.
lol, me too! I couldn't handle those swings, I'm a BAD loser and would lose my mind if I got down $10K+, hell who am I kidding, a $1K loss would start the tilt

I'm glad I can live vicariously through Leon tho
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10-04-2018 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Natamus
Or at the very least a few hundred thousand coin in, right!?
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
... which will get you a lot of "free" buffets, rooms, and drinks.
Come on you guys, dude has a dream of being a Vegas hundredthousandaire. In the movie adaptation of their story you can hear them sing,

There was a time when cards were kind
Their voices were soft
Their shuffles inviting
There was a time when comps were blind
Vegas was a song
And the song was exciting
There was a time
Then it all went wrong

I dreamed a dream in time gone by
When hope was high
And games worth playing
I dreamed that limit would never die
I dreamed the flop would be forgiving

Then I was young and unafraid
My dreams were made and used and wasted
There was no jackpot to be paid
No song unsung
No wine untasted

But the book types come at night
With their voices soft as thunder
As they tear your hope apart
As they turn your dream to shame
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10-04-2018 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
lol, me too! I couldn't handle those swings, I'm a BAD loser and would lose my mind if I got down $10K+, hell who am I kidding, a $1K loss would start the tilt

I'm glad I can live vicariously through Leon tho
I'm pretty good about losing (practice makes perfect) because I never take a dollar to Vegas without being okay about losing it. Way back when I used to bet way too much sports, and have hopefully learned from that. I won't be happy about losing a gambling roll, but I consider it "risk capital", and putting it at risk is what it's for.
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10-04-2018 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Come on you guys, dude has a dream of being a Vegas hundredthousandaire. In the movie adaptation of their story you can hear them sing,

There was a time when cards were kind
Their voices were soft
Their shuffles inviting
There was a time when comps were blind
Vegas was a song
And the song was exciting
There was a time
Then it all went wrong

I dreamed a dream in time gone by
When hope was high
And games worth playing
I dreamed that limit would never die
I dreamed the flop would be forgiving

Then I was young and unafraid
My dreams were made and used and wasted
There was no jackpot to be paid
No song unsung
No wine untasted

But the book types come at night
With their voices soft as thunder
As they tear your hope apart
As they turn your dream to shame
Like!
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10-05-2018 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I'm pretty good about losing (practice makes perfect) because I never take a dollar to Vegas without being okay about losing it. Way back when I used to bet way too much sports, and have hopefully learned from that. I won't be happy about losing a gambling roll, but I consider it "risk capital", and putting it at risk is what it's for.
Good attitude, I'm just a tight ass
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10-07-2018 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
While I still enjoy watching, I dont enjoy it as much because the way to become good these days typically ends up with bookish, anti-social types rising to the top whereas the old school guys had to be social, quick witted, street smart, entertaining to play as well as being good at the game. I found guys like Puggy Pearson, Amarillo Slim, etc to be fascinating characters, don't seem to see folks like these anymore. I have an appreciation, albeit different, for the best players today, I just don't find them as alluring or entertaining but perhaps I've crossed the fuddy-duddy line and thats just me getting old.
You are definitely not a fuddy-duddy, I think everyone feels this way. The old school gamblers were way more interesting than the big players today. I think there are still players who are entertaining and fun to play with today, but they're all in private or pseudo-private games. Jean Robert Bellande is an example of this.
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10-08-2018 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rigs26
Man this thread is a bummer

I feel like the only one who still loves Vegas

We go 2-4 times per year for about 4 days per trip. And this is despite there being a ton of poker rooms here in Southern California.

To me, playing poker in aria/Bellagio/encore is 1000 times better than commerce/bike/Hawaiian gardens. Even though it’s all poker, it’s still not the same.

Yes Vegas is over priced and they gouge you on everything but it’s an escape. It’s my chance to get away from the real world and I love it.

Every time I leave (even when I lose) I can’t wait for the next trip.
This
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10-08-2018 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeC2012
You are definitely not a fuddy-duddy, I think everyone feels this way. The old school gamblers were way more interesting than the big players today. I think there are still players who are entertaining and fun to play with today, but they're all in private or pseudo-private games. Jean Robert Bellande is an example of this.
since you feel this same, if you have PokerGo, check out these two replays:

Poker After Dark|Under The Gun|Days 1 and 2

it was the best poker show I've seen in years

It had JRB, Jennifer Tilly, Helmuth, Eli Elezra and some good amateurs that were throwing a lot of money around

Good action and fun hands plus some good banter
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