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Old 03-30-2012, 07:12 PM   #601
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Clear Winner....... although others have alluded to it. That shove represented about 15% of your current role if I'm not mistaken?

Couple personal questions if you don't mind IMP - how solid is the remainder of your role that you are expecting, in other words, is it at all possible that money will not come through? And how about doing some math for us on your current hourly rate, not including the money made back at the BJ table, only the loss in the 2/5 and yesterday's tough beats. I thought hand 2 was spewy BTW. Not criticising, if you didn't have wife and kids I would be morally opposed to offering any opinions to my competition at all and would say nothing.

I personally have no need to be an aggro balla, all I care about is walking out of the casino most nights with a few hundred more than I walked in with. I fold hands all the peen waving in this thread would cringe at, but I consistently walk out of that casino with hundreds more than I walked in with and my mental state remains as constant and steady as the money. If beating 1/2 1/3 in Vegas was all about being an aggro balla, more people would do it eh? (Note to peen wavers, bite me

You are so right IMP that variance has to equal out eventually, no reason to help it out with flips for huge sums.
The money will come through for sure.. My wife will be listing all the stuff I have for sale on ebay tonight and the stuff I'm selling are easy sells.

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Hourly: 50.38
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The fact that I have only logged that many hours is pathetic to me. I my number one goal next month will be putting in 35+ hours a week.

Out of curiosity you say offering help to your competition, do you live in vegas?
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:33 PM   #602
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hand 2 was pretty standard, hes oop w/ AK, super shallow spr, also note he said he opens a little light (+ev 3b) and his opponent seemed fairly solid so imp will have a tough time playing oop, and once he 3bs hes obv never folding
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:40 PM   #603
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How do you feel hand 2 was spewy?

Sorry my bad, I meant hand 1. I should have gone back and looked.
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:43 PM   #604
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I see where Shannon is coming from about hand 2: Dont get me wrong I love AK but not my favorite hand to reraise with out of position to an aggressive player. I think its different if you are on the button. What do you do when you miss and have to act first. Yes the hand plays out the same way and you both get it in on the flop but ever think about just flatting there preflop? Chances of him C-betting the flop regardless of what comes is very likely. I think thats a great spot to cheack raise the flop if you hit an A or K as it'll be hard for him to put you on AK since you flatted and you can always fold if you miss. You didnt play it wrong but that is a spot I wouldnt mind playing a little pot control preflop. Anyway keep up the good work...Ill be out there next Tuesday for a couple weeks playing at the Venetian the entire time
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:46 PM   #605
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Re: I moved to vegas to play poker blah blah blah follow me thread

If I were peen-waving, I'd point to my TR thread It's not about that, honestly, it's about understanding a gambler's mindset and maximizing your value so that a) you maximize the speed with which you move up, and b) you can actually beat the higher stakes once you do.

Yes, you can beat 1-2/1-3 and even a good 2-5 table and afford to limit your variance via passing on marginal spots, but the higher you play, the tougher your opponents get, the more that a) you can't pass on marginal value because you give up your entire edge, and b) a known preference to avoid spots where you gotta gambool means the regs will tear you to ****ing shreds through simple exploitative play.
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:51 PM   #606
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I see where Shannon is coming from about hand 2: Dont get me wrong I love AK but not my favorite hand to reraise with out of position to an aggressive player. I think its different if you are on the button. What do you do when you miss and have to act first. Yes the hand plays out the same way and you both get it in on the flop but ever think about just flatting there preflop? Chances of him C-betting the flop regardless of what comes is very likely. I think thats a great spot to cheack raise the flop if you hit an A or K as it'll be hard for him to put you on AK since you flatted and you can always fold if you miss. You didnt play it wrong but that is a spot I wouldnt mind playing a little pot control preflop. Anyway keep up the good work...Ill be out there next Tuesday for a couple weeks playing at the Venetian the entire time
I had 55$ left after the 3 bet I was shoving any flop...
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Old 03-30-2012, 07:51 PM   #607
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As for hand 2 specifically, you're 60bb deep against a player that's been on a rush, you're OOP, and you have AK. Wouldn't second-guess getting it in here for a second.

Edit: hand 1 this isn't like a great spot to 3 barrel since the board is and stays so utterly bone dry, and villain's spidey-senses are correctly activated particularly when you ramp up your bet size on the river. If he's smart he knows you're not anxious to get omgwtfMoneyzInTheMiddle! with AA on this board since he knows you gotta be at least a little worried about him having a 7. This OTOH is the sort of spot where against a good player you can be value betting super thin (you will occasionally be pwning yourself against like TT, but that's acceptable; if you're not value-owning yourself every once in a while you're not value betting nearly thin enough).

Not terrible spew either, just a spot where it's reasonable to give up on the river or at least bluff a bit smaller; it's equally convincing and costs you less when you get hero-called.

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Old 03-30-2012, 07:58 PM   #608
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Yea I didnt look at the stack sizes which you clearly did post...My bad. Yea I'm getting it in there the same as you did.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:16 PM   #609
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The money will come through for sure.. My wife will be listing all the stuff I have for sale on ebay tonight and the stuff I'm selling are easy sells.

Current stats

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Hourly: 50.38
Profit: + 1837bb

The fact that I have only logged that many hours is pathetic to me. I my number one goal next month will be putting in 35+ hours a week.

Out of curiosity you say offering help to your competition, do you live in vegas?
Excellent that your numbers are still that high. I would have thought those two hits would have taken a bigger toll. I actually think you are a very good player and have an excellent chance of moving to higher stakes and making decent money. We all know beating this game long run takes much more than just poker skills.

I do live in Vegas and have all my life, all 50 years of it. I tried to make a go of poker in the late 80's and again in the mid 90's. I failed miserably both times, of course it was limit back then. I had a big roll both times, my skills were adequate, everything else was not. There's so many ways to mentally go down the path of destruction.

I do see you young guys as my competition. At my age I'm not at all happy about having to haul it down to the Strip, playing late hours and seeing 35 hands an hour. I am online player and really want to get back online. I played hundreds of thousands of hands on Full Tilt's Rush Poker, so manipulating situations live is very easy for me and I find most players incredibly transparent. I just don't need to try and barrel people off hands. When they call me down way too often, and they will if there's the slightest chance they have me, the result is huge swings. Nobody likes to be beat by a girl.

So, I just sit there like a coiled up rattler and wait for some poor sucker to get within easy striking distance. FPS is lost on most recreational players and giving them any credit for letting logic determine their play can be devastating. They can turn over anything. I admit I don't have a great deal of experience in live NL, but I do beat up the smaller game pretty handly. I migth take some shots at 2-5 myself, but being female I don't blend in very well and dealing with that additional variable can be difficult. Really just want to get back online and staying afloat until that happens.

So, yeah, most these guys that move here, they are younger, have more stamina, somewhat fearless and unpredictable. It's simply in my best interest if the majority of them derail by one of the many avenues available, just as I did when I was younger. We've got too many grinders here. I selfishly won't use the benefit of my experience to aid in their collective success. I see everything through the eyes of a twice failed 50 year old woman, native to the city. That's the only edge I have. How else am I gonna get the drop on young smart guys? I don't try to beat them at their game, I let them beat themselves.

If I see you out, I'll stop and introduce myself.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:27 PM   #610
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Excellent that your numbers are still that high. I would have thought those two hits would have taken a bigger toll. I actually think you are a very good player and have an excellent chance of moving to higher stakes and making decent money. We all know beating this game long run takes much more than just poker skills.

I do live in Vegas and have all my life, all 50 years of it. I tried to make a go of poker in the late 80's and again in the mid 90's. I failed miserably both times, of course it was limit back then. I had a big roll both times, my skills were adequate, everything else was not. There's so many ways to mentally go down the path of destruction.

I do see you young guys as my competition. At my age I'm not at all happy about having to haul it down to the Strip, playing late hours and seeing 35 hands an hour. I am online player and really want to get back online. I played hundreds of thousands of hands on Full Tilt's Rush Poker, so manipulating situations live is very easy for me and I find most players incredibly transparent. I just don't need to try and barrel people off hands. When they call me down way too often, and they will if there's the slightest chance they have me, the result is huge swings. Nobody likes to be beat by a girl.

So, I just sit there like a coiled up rattler and wait for some poor sucker to get within easy striking distance. FPS is lost on most recreational players and giving them any credit for letting logic determine their play can be devastating. They can turn over anything. I admit I don't have a great deal of experience in live NL, but I do beat up the smaller game pretty handly. I migth take some shots at 2-5 myself, but being female I don't blend in very well and dealing with that additional variable can be difficult. Really just want to get back online and staying afloat until that happens.

So, yeah, most these guys that move here, they are younger, have more stamina, somewhat fearless and unpredictable. It's simply in my best interest if the majority of them derail by one of the many avenues available, just as I did when I was younger. We've got too many grinders here. I selfishly won't use the benefit of my experience to aid in their collective success. I see everything through the eyes of a twice failed 50 year old woman, native to the city. That's the only edge I have. How else am I gonna get the drop on young smart guys? I don't try to beat them at their game, I let them beat themselves.

If I see you out, I'll stop and introduce myself.
Sounds good good come by and say hi :-).. I have a vegas/ vampire themed sleeve tattoo on my. Right arm and I almost always. Have a little dedmau5 (little mouse in a suit) I card protector.. You could use those to spot me.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:33 PM   #611
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How do you feel hand 2 was spewy?
Again, definitely meant hand 1. I agree hand 2 is standard however a bit confused at to why you were sitting with only $120.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:36 PM   #612
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Sounds good good come by and say hi :-).. I have a vegas/ vampire themed sleeve tattoo on my. Right arm and I almost always. Have a little dedmau5 (little mouse in a suit) I card protector.. You could use those to spot me.
I will. I'm starting to play Venetian again. You'll understand if I don't sit at your table. I have no wish to tangle with you.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:47 PM   #613
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thats just being results oriented, not a good thing!
No I wasn't, not even close. IME in low stakes live, you don't see that much action w/out pairs or aces or kings in someone's hand. What ranges woud you expect? Small suited connectors?

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With repsect to this discussion, IMP clearly played this hand correctly in isolation - he got the $ in on an EV+ (due to dead $) flip. The issue I have with it is that he was taking a shot with only one bullet. He took the correct but high variance play in a short-handed game with fish where he had a clear advantage and if he lost he was out. If you were willing to buy in again, make this play all day. If you're not, you can find better spots. It would make me sick to ship $700 to a fish and then have to walk away from the table.
Except it wasn't a flip.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:55 PM   #614
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I hate all the strategy discussion in here. I visit the strategy forums to do that stuff. IMO this thread should not turn into an in-depth debate of every big hand OP plays. "Good play" "Bad play" "Good play" "Bad play" "Good play" "Bad play". Yawn.

I vote OP posts the hands he wants feedback on to the live low-stakes forum and point us there. Then I can read the hand, a couple replies, and then ignore it and not have to read the next 50 "nu-uh" responses.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:18 PM   #615
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No I wasn't, not even close. IME in low stakes live, you don't see that much action w/out pairs or aces or kings in someone's hand. What ranges woud you expect? Small suited connectors?



Except it wasn't a flip.
Wasn't a flip because bb woke up with kk not the fish who 4bet that I was trying to iso
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I hate all the strategy discussion in here. I visit the strategy forums to do that stuff. IMO this thread should not turn into an in-depth debate of every big hand OP plays. "Good play" "Bad play" "Good play" "Bad play" "Good play" "Bad play". Yawn.

I vote OP posts the hands he wants feedback on to the live low-stakes forum and point us there. Then I can read the hand, a couple replies, and then ignore it and not have to read the next 50 "nu-uh" responses.
I understand where your coming from but at the same time if I didn't post key hands from my sessions then my posts would just be.... I won x amount or I lost x amount. I doesn't sound very entertaining
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Steve Martin sighting at mgm poker room
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Sick brag. What's he playing?
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Solid image, Villian has been slowly bleeding besides a beat he took with kk.

I raise from late pos. To 11 With AcAh Villian in sb calls utg limper calls

Flop kq10hhh
Checks to me I bet 25 sb goes all in for 135 more utg takes about 45 seconds to fold but you can tell he wanted to call. 135 to call into a 218 pot.. Based on the guy shoving you think your beat at least 90% of the time
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:15 AM   #621
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Wasn't a flip because bb woke up with kk not the fish who 4bet that I was trying to iso
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:22 AM   #622
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Solid image, Villian has been slowly bleeding besides a beat he took with kk.

I raise from late pos. To 11 With AcAh Villian in sb calls utg limper calls

Flop kq10hhh
Checks to me I bet 25 sb goes all in for 135 more utg takes about 45 seconds to fold but you can tell he wanted to call. 135 to call into a 218 pot.. Based on the guy shoving you think your beat at least 90% of the time
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call, dont love it too much but i cant see myself folding

he could have a set, which means you have flush and straight outs

he could have J9, which means you have flush outs and **** you nut straight outs

he could have QK/QT/KT/QJ/KJ/TJ/XJh or low flush also, you have too much equity vs these hands with two cards to come
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:23 AM   #623
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above was spewy typing, he wont show up with a lot of those combos (esp not without Jh in the J combos), but he just took a beat and its vegas, CALL

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Solid image, Villian has been slowly bleeding besides a beat he took with kk.

I raise from late pos. To 11 With AcAh Villian in sb calls utg limper calls

Flop kq10hhh
Checks to me I bet 25 sb goes all in for 135 more utg takes about 45 seconds to fold but you can tell he wanted to call. 135 to call into a 218 pot.. Based on the guy shoving you think your beat at least 90% of the time
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Never folding here and I think I’m beat considerably less than 90% of the time when factoring in the variables (slowly bleeding, KK beat) seems like an easy call.
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Wasn't a flip because bb woke up with kk not the fish who 4bet that I was trying to iso
Yep, the wild card – the blinds.

Nobody can say it was the wrong play, only perhaps wrong for you under the circumstances. You’re definitely forced to shove once you 3 bet.

A play I’ve seen multiple times is some monkey will “stealthily” Cold Call a big 3bet from the blinds. And while it doesn’t necessarily apply to this game or the circumstances, I’m never surprised when said monkey turns over Aces. They don’t want to give away their hand by cold 4 betting, but when an otherwise snug player quietly slides in that big obvious cold call, alarm bells go off for me.

It was sitting the high variance, short handed maniac game, for your first shot, and not waiting for a better spot to get your money in, that all us nits are taking issue with.
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