you'd be lucky if they didn't piss on you. and if you tipped well enough not only would they sign off on your room discount they'd sign their own murder confession.

I'm planning at least 10 days in vegas around late dec/jan sometime.

Is aria still doing the poker rate? Bit of PLO nit here so would stay and play there most of the time. I'm happy to spend the money and not worry about trying to win the money back and profit, as it's a vacation for me. I'll most likely be solo so it may be more expensive.

I was thinking 5/6 nights at aria, and the rest at either somewhere in the middle of the strip still so i can head to wynn/venetian if they have some PLO going

The days immediately after New Years but before CES and the porn convention are usually the cheapest. New Years are the highest rates of the year. The week between Christmas and New Years are usually cheap also. For 10 days at a stretch, you'll probably run into some spendy nights.

If one is a pro out for whole series, seems like they would rent a house/apt./ext. stay or get mostly/all comped at a decent hotel. I don't think they would often be staying at a casino that doesn't have RFs. I've gotten incredible deals for this summer, wish I had time to use more of them, but paying ~$20/night for 25+ nights at properties that charge RFs (WAvg>$23) and have to change hotels once.

That doesn't make sense. Why would pros from out of town get comped? Pros aren't visiting Vegas often and when they do they play poker. Poker alone is not earning comps to any degree.

Well this is what i was thinking. If did arrive the 26th, i'd stay till the 30th.. go to miami to see a mate for a coupleof weeks and come back. Still early days.. once they get their basketball schedules that's when i'll start some proper planning and booking flights and accom in vegas. Going to ask what is a bit of an off peak time is for vegas so i don't get stung too much staying by myself.

More look at either start/mid jan till mid feb of when my window will be that i can play around. Just hopefully it won't be too expensive

Aria is middle strip I'd move to North end Treasure Island can have some deals that time of year sign up for there promo email list.

I figured if they were playing high enough stakes of cash games, they would be getting comped at least partially. I had lot of comps offered thru TR, and I paid $600 rake to WSOP last year, which was at least double any other summer. I've never dropped a dime on slots or tables at any CP properties, so when I hear about the supposedly high rates I'm confused.
BTW, the ~$20/night I'm paying includes any RFs & EDC weekend, and is net of > $100 in food/chip comps.

he wants to play plo. monte carlo is connected to aria and is actually closer to arias poker room than aria hotel rooms. and it's cheap as hell too.treasure island would make zero sense.

I stayed at Palazzo 18 months ago. Played a couple of sessions at venetian, and a biiiig day at aria. I loved the PLO at venetian, money for days with some of those players.

I'll start looking for more seriously once i know when i'm getting there. Hopefully venetian (as much as everyone hates the joint) and wynn get some PLO action happening again, just so i can mix it up a bit instead of going day in and day out at Aria. Most likely will have a crack at a few of the daily tourneys too

So i just took a look at hotels.com for hotel rooms as its been a long time since i been there.


Example if you check in on monday and leave say the following friday as that way you don't have to pay weekend rates twice. They have places in downtown las vegas where they charge like 25 dollars a night like at oasis at gold spike. But then the resort fees are 23 dollars a night. Thats 48 dollars before tax. So after tax, its well over 50 dollars. Now i know that is not that much for a hotel, but for anyone that would grind 1/3 or 2/5, well this is a lot. I recalled back few years ago where you could stay at imperial palace for like 30 dollars and less a night total non weekends etc with no resort fee. On weekends its obviously more. I mean, what low stakes grinder can even stay at hotels for weeks nowadays? I mean unless you have a roommate for a hotel room, you are paying minimum 50 a day and thats all the way downtown. You stay a month thats 1500. If its on the strip, minimum $115 it seems like when i checked out linq which is the new imperial palace.


Can anyone correct me here but back in say 2012 or so, the downtown hotels at places like gold spike, the D and similar downtown hotels... they did not have resort fees right? And also were the daily rates like 50 dollars and up as i recalled? Or were they as ridiculous as 30 dollars a night. Because all those downtown casino/hotels like the D, and fremont and similar ones seem to be decent and say average judging from looking at the casinos.

i stayed at Harrah's this past Monday for two nights. it ended up being around $55 a night included resort fee and parking. Well, because I didnt know Tuesday when I went out to pay my parking didnt realize it was included in my room already so paid for it at the machine. Pay parking noob mistake there double paying.

It seems like you are thinking of your hotel rate as taking away from your possible poker winnings. This is not a really good way to think about things if that is what you're doing.

As far as downtown goes, I'm thinking it's gotten a bit more popular and hip so that's the reason why the resort fee could be added.

Overall, $50 for a hotel is dirt cheap, let alone in a place like Vegas. I mean, where in the world these days can you get a hotel room for $25? Nowhere I know of.

A few years ago was a few years ago. Prices go up. I mean I was shocked my friend paid $60 for a gallon can of paint recently.......

Casinos don't want to be in the business of subsidizing hotel stays for low limit grinders. There's a whiff of entitlement in the the gripe here that I find somewhat strange.

Hey there. yes $50 for a hotel is definitely cheap. But for ppl that grind 2/5nl for example, how much are they typically paying a month for their studio or 1 bedroom then? I assume very few players pay 1500 or more right? Where do most vegas 2/5 grinders live at then? I assume a 1 bedroom they rent long term for like 900 and less or a room in someones place for like 700 and less?


Yea i know casinos dont want to subsidize low limit grinders. But since i heard its easy to find a place and cheap in vegas, then shouldn't it be sort of easier to find say a studio for like 850 or less for 3 month rental etc? I would be curious what much on average a month most grinders at 2/5 and say 5/10 pay for their rent.

If you are a full time poker player, here are my assumptions. At 1/2, you're making $20/hr which means you could afford something in the $800-$900 range. At 2/5, you're making i'm guessing $30-$40 an hour? Then you're looking at what $1200 a month for rent with plenty left over. No clue what a 5/10 full time player makes.

As far as finding cheap places in Vegas, good luck. You will probably have to really stretch what you are willing to put up with as far as living conditions and your neighbors....

If you don't want resort fees, then 4 queens is the only one left DT, I think.

Scottish friend of mine stayed at Casino Royale this summer, as they didn't have resort fees.

If you move to a new city for work, do you look to live at a hotel?

If you want to treat poker like a job/business, do what any regular person does who moves for work. Buy or rent a house or condo/apartment. Yes, renting involves signing a lease that's usually 12 month, but again that's what you do if you move for work.

Are you talking net-money at the table or is that post-tax and ideally also includes health insurance? For the latter, the numbers are way too high. For the former, you probably don't want to spend $900 for living.

Hey there. Well i meant for someone who want to play poker for 1-3 months just like the OP. Thus if things go sour, then leave. Thus thats why many ppl do not want to sign a 1 year lease because if things don't go right. Thus because of that, options are very limited.


The thing is with how everyone say vegas housing is cheap, i mean shouldn't it be easy to find a studio for 1000 dollars a month and 3 month rental etc? The main issue here is the long term lease which is what very few ppl want to do. And if you want to rent those extended stay places, those are going to cost like 1400 plus a month it seems after tax? Like i would rather stay in a studio basement for 1k a month on a 3 month than say a budget suites if you had to give me that option.

I was talking gross numbers before taxes. I was simply guessing as to what the hourly rate was for a full time player. I realize that $20 an hour and having a $900 a month place is stretching it, but I also look at it as a temporary issue as I would think if one is taking the game seriously, you would want to improve to get to 2/5 ASAP.

As far as health insurance goes, last year was the first year of my life since graduating college that I was without health insurance, and that includes time being self employed. I am now of the mindset that I am refusing to let a certain segment of the US population dictate that we cannot have single payer healthcare. As this is not a political forum I will not delve further into my stance on this issue.

Main Street Station doesn’t, either. I’m staying there in June for 6 nights for $356 total.

Boyd hotels have just added resort fees, in the last day or so.

Realtor.com has listed Vegas as the hottest market in the US for 2018.

That will obviously put pressure on rents. 2017 was a hot year as well. There's not much available housing stock left.

So, the days of Vegas being 'cheap' are numbered if not gone.

Here's a link to a blog by a 2p2er who is very familiar with what you are proposing. Cliffs: he's not happy with the current situation at all.

http://sevencard2003.********.com

Edit: hmm OK link isn't going to work, I guess either 2p2 or tapatalk considers the site an obscenity.

'TBC Tony Big Charles blog'

Are you a Christian Scientist ?

Las Vegas is a metro area with a population of over 2 million and a very small percentage of those are small stakes poker grinders.

If you are a landlord, you don't want to have short term tenants. They create additional costs/overhead and risk. So the only reason to rent out for less than the standard 12 month lease is a significantly higher monthly rent. Also, if you want to have a furnished apartment, you obviously have to pay for that too.

I have no Vegas specific information, but I know that in other major cities short term leases for furnished apartments are often in the neighborhood of 50% extra. They usually also have utilities and often internet/TV included and you pay a premium for that, too. So if you see an apartment that would rent for $700/month plus ~$200 for utilities/internet on a one year lease, you might have to pay $1300/month all inclusive for a 3 month lease.

I’m really skeptical of the $20 an hour winrate at 1-2 unless someone plays at Golden Nugget or MAYBE if they make enough off of freerolls that it adds up to $20 an hour. But freeroll grinders are usually just nits.

$10-$15 is far more believable IMO. And very few regs will even make that.