I have been stop playing low stake. Don't know if it is a good idea.


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People recommending airbnb should take a look at at the actual availability of rooms. Check out the "calender" of a good room and you will see them fully booked for months with maybe small gaps of mostly single days.

True.

Primary benefits of airbnb:
1) Usually <$ than strip/downtown hotel
2) No resort fees
3) Usually no parking fees
4) Search can take into account availability dates and only show those properties available for selected dates

Primary negatives of airbnb:
1) Decentralized rules, check in times, rates, locations (have to click through to listings for these items) - search doesn't have many of these details searchable
2a) Will need rented car, uber/lyft/taxi, or bus pass for most locations
2b) Sometimes it is just random street parking or tenant only parking
3) No points earned on your loyalty card of choice for staying here

I'm using it this summer for a solo traveler going for a 2 week period. It will save me at least $750 in resort and misc fees I won't have to pay. Hey that's half of a $1500 event I was going to play at wsop. 1/2 freeroll not bad.

One pro with airbnb is the whole tipping thing. I'm a tipper, maybe I tip more than I should, but it drives me mad having loads of ones and fives on me at all times. Also, I probably forget to tip when I should, and I tip guys I shouldn't. And then I have to go on here and ask how much should one tip the daily maid that cleans my room etc.

I'm staying two weeks in May at an airbnb place in Spring Valley.

Great idea my Chinese friend

Yes this is what confused me a lot. Back then i hear people keep asking about the poker rate such that if you play 6 hours a day at a poker room like aria, wynn, venetian, you can the poker room rate. And from what i recall, that is still like $109 or $129 or $149 etc. I think the regular rate would be like $179 or $199 etc.


First off, how could anyone even be profitable enough for something like this. Even a 2/5nl crusher can't afford to pay $129 a night at say wynn or aria or venetian etc. Say you play 8 hours. Profit say $150. Well you are paying everything for the room etc. There was some well known poster on the forum named spinoli i believe who mentioned he played 10/20nl at commerce and said paying even $150 a night to stay at commerce would not be worth it etc. Someone in a thread mentioned something a while ago that he played some 2/5 or 3/5 300 or 500 max and said he was paying the room rate at one of those california casinos i think it was commerce and said he had some ridiculous win rate there... to the point where paying $129+ a night was worth it. Then the guy spinoli said even doing that at 10/20nl would be horrible.


I can't imagine someone now grinding the hours now at a poker room only to get the poker room rate right? You still have to pay at least $129 a night minimum if i had to take a guess. Its not like okay you get the room comped or its say $50 etc.

129 plus resort fees.

If you're a 2/5 crusher, shouldn't you be averaging $400 per 8 hours though?

Plus the free food

You're right, a 2/5 crusher would average $400 per 8 hours. However, i cant imagine any one that plays in a poker room for the poker rate would be a crusher though... would you agree on this? Let say they are a 20-25/hr winner at 2/5. Playing 8 hours would net you on average 160-200. So basically you are playing 8 hours to pay for your hotel room.


The resort fees are at least $40 from i believe. That doesn't seem really appealing at all. And let say you grind those hours only to breakeven. Well how much are you saving on the poker room rate fee vs the regular fee? Its 129 plus resort fee... im assuming the regular rate is 179 or 199+ resort fee? Imagine you are playing and have 1 more hour left. You are up $350. But you need to put in 1 more hour to get the room rate. Then you get in a big pot and lose it. Now if you are down say $300 and after the session you are down $300 to make it simple. I always wondered, do people who play for the poker room rate... does this distract you? I know if i tried doing this, and say after 7 hours i was up 350, i would play very tight the last hour to not get into big pots unless i have a big hand etc. I know thats now the right way to think... but it seemed like if i was playing to get the poker room rate, i might think this way. I guess its like those ppl who play poker to get promo hours except thats usually 1/2nl though.

You probably should avoid 2-5 if your understanding of variance is no more evolved than this.

Poker room rates open up for staying at more upscale resorts than your economy normally would allow. It's 'cheap' (or, at least, 'cheaper') luxury.

For those who have no interests in paying extra for upmarket accommodations, there are plenty of inexpensive alternatives within walking distance of Strip poker rooms.

I would think most people doing this that would stay at a higher end property would be doing this with a roommate. In that case you would be paying half of the cost of the room. I also believe most places allow you to add your hours and you only need to average that many hours for your stay. Therefore you can each play 8 hours one day and that gets you 16 hours, which could cover 3 nights at a place needing 5 hours/day.

If going with a roommate and Harrahs is $100, but you can get the Wynn for $130-200, would you rather not spend an extra $90-150 to stay at the Wynn than Harrahs for a long weekend?

Is this a level? I thought 10bb/hr was standard for any good reg and even 15bb/hr would be possible at 1/2 with room/table/seat selection.

I don't think 10bb/hr is standard at all. Considering the vast majority of players are losing players combined with the rake there are only a few players that will be making over $20/hr playing 1/2 over a significant sample size and those that can achieve such a win rate will be moving up to 2/5.

Anything above 10bb/hr is - and here I quote one of the most recognized LLSNL grinders on present board - considered "stellar".

It is difficult to imagine that anybody, playing 30+ hours/week year round, would be able sustain 15bb/hr playing 1/2 or 1/3 in LV, but if anybody could do it you wouldn't find them in a 1/2 or 1/3 game - they would be playing 2/5 and making a ton more money.

Anyone who makes that much is almost always moving up to 2/5 so you'll rarely see those players in the games. That's one reason I said that if you make $10-$15 an hour you'll be one of the best 1/2 NL players in Vegas. The players better than that tend to move up.

If you are getting hung up on whether you profit AFTER paying all or even just most of the hotel, then you likely do not understand the notions and concepts of vacation. Even if I am only going to LAS for the purpose of playing poker (I don't do clubs), it is STILL a vacation.

If I was going to be out there for any length of time to 'grind' at some small stakes table, then I am not looking at hotels as my primary choice of place to stay.

When I make three trips between the house and LAS next month, I certainly hope to ultimately show a profit, but even if I don't, it was still a well-deserved break from the office. It isn't going to put me in the poor house even if I failed to cash a single event...

Worrying about showing a profit on a vacation makes me wonder how anyone ever travels ANYWHERE...

Just curious about this. But when people do the poker rate for playing the x amount of hours per day at the poker room, would they need to check in and check out every single day etc? Example someone wants to stay at aria or wynn for a few days etc.

This is my general take as well.

I go out every June for 10 days as a vacation from the real world. I'll play a couple WSOP 1K or 1.5K events, and play lots of 1/2, 1/3, 2/5 cash. Yes I'm there grinding poker 12 hours per day as a vacation. The poker rate at a hotel is just something that I will end up doing without really trying.

So not taking advantage of it just seems silly. It's like not putting enough in your 401K to get 100% of your employee match. You are just lighting "free money" on fire at that point.

My goal is to show a profit from strictly poker. Everything else like food and hotel is just an expense of going on vacation. If I make enough to cover all expenses then great.

for some people vegas is a vacation.
for some it's a business. to me vegas in june is an overheated cesspool but a highly profitable one.

And for those that treat June as a business, they are NOT typically going to be the ones staying at properties with resort fees. They would tend to be gravitate towards other options, either sharing a house or getting a monthly apartment (or even having a time-share or condo that was purchased long ago).

No

If you check on priceline, midweek rates for hotels are as low as $20 per night.

If you stay in an airbnb on the weekend, you can get by for $200/week.

I've heard several pro or pro-ish type guys talk about where they are staying in Vegas during the WSOP. None of them have talked about getting a house/condo/apartment. Most of the talk has centered on shopping around for the best hotel deals and maximizing comps and finding roommates. The people I know would be more likely to look for an extended stay hotel with weekly rates rather than something on airbnb.

Your experience may be different if you mostly know players within driving distance of Vegas.

This.

Was chatting with 3 guys who mentioned they were staying at the Venetian using the poker rate and they only needed 6 hours total between the 3 of them per day. There is an additional charge for having a third person but still pretty good, they just needed to play 2 hours a day. If you play a long 8-hour session that's 4 days covered.

https://www.venetian.com/casino/poker/suite-rates.html

is it working that way at the Venetian?

I remember in the pre card swiping days at Bellagio, it was based on daily play and a 12 hour session would not carry over to the next day. Of course, if you regularly took care of the floors, they signed off on it anyway no matter how many hours you put in.

And if you didn't take care of the floors they would take your card and tell you your poker rate was good and then throw it in the trash, no matter how many hours you put in.