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Hey there. Well i meant for someone who want to play poker for 1-3 months just like the OP. Thus if things go sour, then leave. Thus thats why many ppl do not want to sign a 1 year lease because if things don't go right. Thus because of that, options are very limited.

The thing is with how everyone say vegas housing is cheap, i mean shouldn't it be easy to find a studio for 1000 dollars a month and 3 month rental etc? The main issue here is the long term lease which is what very few ppl want to do. And if you want to rent those extended stay places, those are going to cost like 1400 plus a month it seems after tax? Like i would rather stay in a studio basement for 1k a month on a 3 month than say a budget suites if you had to give me that option.

Desert Manor sounds like it has the short-term arrangement and price that you're looking for.

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04-06-2018 , 03:16 AM

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LordRiverRat

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Americana apartments bruh. Just don't make friends with or eye contact with your neighbours and don't tell them you're a poker player.

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04-08-2018 , 08:38 AM

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I’m really skeptical of the $20 an hour winrate at 1-2 unless someone plays at Golden Nugget or MAYBE if they make enough off of freerolls that it adds up to $20 an hour. But freeroll grinders are usually just nits.

$10-$15 is far more believable IMO. And very few regs will even make that.

In 2015+, this.

Vegas is no longer the poker spot to go for 1/2 grinding. There's always the ones who buck the trend, but the current state of the poker economy is not the same as it was circa pre-2015.

For a well rolled low stakes player I can still think of a few unmolested places in the world to play in but still definitely run a high risk of ruin .

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04-08-2018 , 11:31 AM

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I've gone to Vegas every summer (mid-May until Aug 1) for the past 9 years to play 1/2, 1/3, and 2/5 and haven't really noticed any difference. Winrate is still a consistent ~$27 for 1/2 and 1/3 and ~$38 for 2/5. I usually put in 700 or so hours every summer.

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04-12-2018 , 02:29 AM

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Some rooms here are now up to $5 and $2 rake for low stakes games

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04-18-2018 , 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

Do you know anybody that made $15 an hour in those games in Vegas recently?

Trooper in his thread made $10 an hour after 1,000 hours at 1/2 and 1/3 and I've rarely seen players at 1-2 that are much better than him.

I know many who do, if you can't beat 1-2 for $15 per hour you should quit.

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04-18-2018 , 08:06 AM

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I know many who do, if you can't beat 1-2 for $15 per hour you should quit.

In Vegas? The people who can do that tend to be playing 2-5 or higher. And what people say their winrate is and what their winrate really is will often be different. If I were to sit down at a 1-2 NL table I would expect nobody to be a $15 an hour winner.

Not saying you’re wrong though. If you know several serious poker players then I could believe it.

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04-18-2018 , 08:33 AM

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trooper made 10 bucks an hour and he's terrible. someone good could make a lot more.

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04-18-2018 , 11:20 AM

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trooper made 10 bucks an hour and he's terrible. someone good could make a lot more.

His point is that somebody who is good (or at least not terrible) won't play 1/2 but higher limits.

That said, I know there are plenty of people in Vegas who play 1/2 or 1/3 full time and it's very hard to believe they do that to earn $10 an hour. I guess some of them are somewhat mentally challenged or have a serious social anxiety disorder that makes it hard for them to work a 'regular' job, but that can't be all of them?

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04-19-2018 , 04:49 AM

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That was an old post of mine. Trooper ran super hot and if I had to guess his winrate is probably closer to $5 an hour instead of $10 an hour.

The times that I’ve sat in 1-2 and 1-3 games it was really rare that I thought an opponent was good enough to win $15 an hour in the games. If someone crushes the games they should at least play in rooms with bigger than a $300 buy-in.

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04-19-2018 , 05:11 AM

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The only such rooms for those stakes in Vegas are Wynn and Golden Nugget though. Unless you're implying they should play 2/5.

On a side note, I heard Bally's spreads 2/3 with a 500 max now but does it ever even run? I love the BTN straddle there cause it actually forces the blinds to act first.

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04-19-2018 , 05:38 AM

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^Orleans has a $500 max buy-in. I’ll admit I have no clue about the regs in that room however.

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04-19-2018 , 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

^Orleans has a $500 max buy-in. I’ll admit I have no clue about the regs in that room however.

Uncapped 1/2 at golden nugget too; IIRC.

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04-19-2018 , 09:13 AM

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On a side note, I heard Bally's spreads 2/3 with a 500 max now but does it ever even run? I love the BTN straddle there cause it actually forces the blinds to act first.

Did anyone play in that game? Button straddles are horrible for the longevity of the game because they increase the edge of good players who are more likely to understand that it’s +EV for them to straddle every time. That said, I’d certainly would like to try that game if it goes regularly.

GN 1/2 is uncapped in theory but I feel like if there’s anyone with $1k+, they totally nit it up or even outright leave if somebody matches their stack.

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04-19-2018 , 10:36 AM

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Most of the Orleans regs are among the worst I've ever played with in Vegas. If you can't profit at their 1/3 NL, you might as well hang it up. It's mostly underolled locals playing very nitty and too much gamble call down to river with nut flush draw types. The weekend games get pretty good there especially when there's big events at the arena. The Cheerleading competition and Bowling tournaments stand out to me as you get a lot of inexperienced "home game dads" that are there to just splash around on their stay. The better locals are in the 4/8 & 8/16 PLO games. When the BBJ gets big, the locals might as well be playing with their cards face up.

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04-19-2018 , 11:49 AM

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The Orleans has a 8/16 PLO game? Is there a cap on the buy-in and how deep does the game usually play? That would be the biggest game in town, outside of stuff that happens inside Bobby’s/Ivey’s Room. (or did you mean 8/16 LO8/b?)

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04-19-2018 , 02:32 PM

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Did anyone play in that game?

I'm not sure it never ran on Bravo anytime I checked when I was there for the December holidays. I feel like it would be way softer than Wynn 1/3, Mississippi straddle or not.

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04-19-2018 , 02:46 PM

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No, I have never seen them have any PLO at all, only limit O8.

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04-19-2018 , 03:29 PM

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2/3 at Bally's doesn't run that often, when it does it rarely lasts for more than a few hours, you are better off playing 1/3 at Wynn.

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04-19-2018 , 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by madlex

GN 1/2 is uncapped in theory but I feel like if there’s anyone with $1k+, they totally nit it up or even outright leave if somebody matches their stack.

Simply not true.

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04-20-2018 , 11:00 AM

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Simply not true.

Concur. Won't say it doesn't ever happen, because I have seen some with a small stack of $100 bills in addition to better than $1K in chips who didn't play many pots. However, most of the time I have been in there, even on a weekday morning, those with decent stacks wanted action. It isn't my preferred style of play, but I can fasten my seatbelt and prepare for a wild ride when I see the table like that...

And, even with the uncapped buy-in, I will rarely buy in for more than $300 when I play at the Nugget. I'll go to $500 if I see more than two spots where players have ~$1K or more in front of them.

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04-20-2018 , 12:35 PM

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OK, I'll rephrase: When I sit down with 500BB+ in a 1/2 game, I want to see 3bet/4bet pots for $1k+. In my limited experience at GN, even $500+ pots were a very rare occurrence.

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04-20-2018 , 01:00 PM

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OK, I'll rephrase: When I sit down with 500BB+ in a 1/2 game, I want to see 3bet/4bet pots for $1k+. In my limited experience at GN, even $500+ pots were a very rare occurrence.

meh. I'm content to see one of those a down as long as I come out on the right side of the pot. Other than that, I have no problem with just seeing $100 pots, even at a $2/5 game. Incremental increases help the bottom line just as do the large pots that people actually paid attention to...and perhaps even MORE than the 3-4 bet pot that gets someone in an all-in situation.

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04-20-2018 , 02:06 PM

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OK, I'll rephrase: When I sit down with 500BB+ in a 1/2 game, I want to see 3bet/4bet pots for $1k+. In my limited experience at GN, even $500+ pots were a very rare occurrence.

This! People always say the stack depth determines how big the game plays more than the blinds. Uh...what? So 2/5 uncapped at PH is gonna play bigger than 5/10 Bellagio cause it's only 1500 max?