I went to vegas a few years back. Once i stayed there for less than 3 months and stayed at hotels. Basically i stayed at imperial palace during the weekday and at weekend went downtown. I don't exactly remember how much i spent total but it was 800 dollars a month total a bit more or bit less. Some weekends i did get to stay at IP so i didn't have to go downtown which was nice. And yes i know how everyone here hates the IP. I know its called the quad now. Back then with my total rewards card, many times i get comped rooms at IP... but most of the time it was discounted which was really nice though for most people here wouldn't want to ever step foot into IP.


Well i heard about the resort fees that are added into vegas hotel rooms. I mean some of these hotels charge more than how much i paid for discounted days back many years ago. So basically its not even possible to stay a week and pay $200 anymore in a hotel in vegas. Since many people want to go to vegas and play poker and many like to do this for a month or so to see how its like, how is it even possible to do this anymore with how much hotels cost now with those resort fees? Even the downtown hotels charge resort fees now. Now if you play higher stakes like 5/10nl and higher thats a bit different. However even playing 2/5nl you can't really afford to stay in a hotel for a month. So obviously anyone that wants to come to vegas for a few week or 1 month or 2 and want to play 1/2 or 1/3nl can't really do this.


I'm curious how do people who want to grind low stakes poker for a few weeks to say 2 months even do this anymore. They can't really rent an apt unless they are paying a lot of money for it and of course people who play low stakes well thats a lot for them. I'm guessing for people like that they only option really is one of those extended stay places or rent a room from someone? I recalled those extended stay places aren't exactly cheap. I had a friend that stayed at one where he paid 1400 a month for the 1st month, then after that paid 900 a month which was the discounted rate which seems very good. I was at his place and it was pretty decently furnished with internet, tv and small kitchen etc. However im sure the price of that is much more. And of course most extended stay places are not in good areas.


Im curious if there been people who has went to vegas and stayed a few weeks till up to 2 or 3 months and how did they manage their apartment/living situation. I'm guessing if you have a friend and you split the expenses for hotels, thats at least decent. The other thing that i never understood was people always ask about the poker rate at poker room like if u play 6 hours at aria, venetian, wynn etc. First off... it still cost you at least $120 minimum a day. I mean unless you are playing 5/10nl... isn't it always not profitable no matter what for the poker room rate? I recalled there was a guy who plays high stakes poker at commerce who said not even he would pay 120 dollars a night for a hotel room at commerce and there was a guy that said he had no issue paying that poker rate for one since his winrate at a 3/5nl game was so high... that guy said he played 10/20 and 20/40nl but of course this was back a while ago.


Since most people who to play poker for a bit and many like to go to vegas to do that, very curious how people do this after the resort fees? I haven't went to vegas in a few years. And im sure most ppl aren't renting short term apartments for 1 or 2 months since if they do that, well its going to cost a lot.

There are extended stay type places available for $200/wk, 750/mo within walking distance of the strip. The area around the Hard Rock has like 4 big ones. During the series there are a bunch of house share situations - someone will rent a house for the 2 months and get others to chip in.

Vegas is not like other cities where you have to put down first, last, deposit and sign a 1 year lease to get a place. You can just show up with the first week's rent and get something. It won't be in a nice neighborhood and it won't smell great, but it will have AC and a shower.

Hey reducto. I actually spoke to you a while back ago. You talking about holiday royale right? Yes i recall the price of it is pretty decent but when you say its walking distance to the strip... isn't it 30 minute walk? That to me isn't really considered walking distance.


Walking distance would be 15-20 minutes. Also not sure anyone would want to walk 30 minutes each way back and forth. Also i recalled the bus doesn't exactly go directly to that area and you have to make transfers where you still have to do a bit of walking.


Also i heard another extended stay near that area is called Harbor Island Apartments which i heard is the worst of the worst. However, isn't that extended stay very close to holiday royale?


But for those people that rent a room in someone's house. Isn't it true almost all of these will be far from the strip? Im sure lot of people who go to vegas and want to play poker for a bit most likely won't have a vehicble. Are there even buses that go to and from strip from those areas? I recalled that extended stay deluxe where i knew someone who stayed there... well he had a car. But from google maps, you could take a bus that was pretty much outside the extended stay deluxe and it goes to bellagio and its only 20-30 minutes only after bus ride and walking. Walking is very short distance i believe once you get out of bus.


Basically i think the only place where you could rent a place where its close to the strip walkable and the rent isn't that high and the area is decent would be the meridian condos right? I had read about those a while back but of course many of those want 1 year lease. But for someone who wants to stay at least 1 year, isn't those condos probably the best option if someone doesn't have a car? Location seems very good close to the wynn... and that is right next to venetian and not that far from bellagio.

So, like I m going to Vegas at the end of the month, I just find rooms on Airbnb. 200$ a week, 3 mile to strip. Room has a bed and a ****ter, wifi and I can use kitchen and laundry. On Christmas or new year eve a hotel room can easily cost 200 a night. I think you are right: low stake player cannot afford hotel room anymore

Can you summarize what you're asking in a few concise questions?

Yes, Holiday Royale is probably 30 minutes from Aria walking door to door. Their prices seem to keep going up so I don't know what the rate is now but it's the safest and best maintained in that area. Americana is actually much worse than Harbor Island. Those two are maybe 5 minutes closer to the strip.

I've stayed in all 3 at various times and will probably do so again when I deal the series this year.

If you want to do the bus thing there's an extended stay across from the Stratosphere where a bunch of bus lines meet. It will still probably take you 30 minutes to reach a decent card room but you'll be sitting instead of walking and getting groceries is easier.

The other non-car alternative is the extended stay across from Orleans, but that's only good if you're happy mostly playing at Orleans. It's a rather long walk or one bus to MGM, two to get further up the strip.

I don't know much about downtown but I think there is an extended stay close to some rooms there.

Better yet, buy a cheap scooter off craigslist and sell it before you leave.

if they're actually trying to make money they don't. they're deluding themselves thinking they can fly to vegas pay for hotels flights and transportation and expect to show a real profit in low stakes games

You can delude yourself for quite a while when you're eating comped food and paying for your room with a credit card. That's what the town is built on.

Orleans has a free shuttle to the Strip, and also the Gold Coast. Which is across the street from the Rio and it's CET shuttle.

Or a hoverboard. No license or insurance needed.

Your options are pretty much casino, extended stay, airbnb/cl/rent a room/rent, or rent an apartment for about 800/900 a month for 3 months plus stays and furnish it

The flamingo bus runs all the way out west to Grand Canyon and takes 20 minutes once it's moving. If you have to take the bus your options are pretty much something off flamingo or tropicana.

There are an amazing number of extended stay places in this town I find more every day. If you can rent a car you can scope them out or spend some time on google. I would spend a few days and look at harbor island, holiday royale(not for me), the budget suites on tropicana, emerald suites on s las blvd and on twain/paradise, the extended stay on flamingo/valley view, and the east flamingo one and anything else you can find. The downtown area has a ton of extended stay see trooper97 vlog thats what he does.

Oh the short answer to your question is: you'll do good to break even or make a slight profit. That's been my experiece.

+1.

I doubt that trying to get everything another dollar cheaper just to make it somehow, results in a happy Vegas experience or something I'd consider as vacation.

You just don't get a nice place on the strip for free, something has to give.

FWIW, walking 30 minutes this time of year doesn't sound bad to me at all, but people are different.

You're right, living in a nice place on or near the strip short term without a roommate on a small budget is probably not possible. People who come here to grind low stakes for an extended period either share rooms, stay in cheaper places that are a little further away and probably not so nice (or both), or they have plenty of money to cover the high prices and are essentially on a long vacation where they don't expect their winnings to cover their costs.

They probably over extend themselves like most Americans do.

Or they have a job and come to Vegas for a vacation/aren't really worried about the cost of their hotels/worried about grinding out a "profit" at some 1/2 game.

Correct.

OP- Vegas doesn't care about players like you. Sad truth. They don't want people coming in squeezing every dollar and trying to eke out a profit. So the town isn't built for that kind of person, as you're seeing. They want people who will pay $500 for a $25 bottle of vodka, play 6:5 blackjack, and not care about a resort fee, and they're doing a damn brisk business these days by getting them. There are good suggestions in this thread for you, but you seem to think they should be rolling out the welcome mat. They won't.

Actually now it's the Linq and all the rooms have been completely redone and much better. Not a bad option if someone is looking for something cheap on the strip. But obviously not cheap enough for an extended period of time like you are talking about.

There was a guy around 3 years ago who played 4/8 limit (before they had a half kill) for a living. He would be at Venetian all day every day. He did it for around close to a year but that sounds miserable. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sleeping in his car. I saw him once or twice at Bellagio playing 10/20 limit and he later started playing 20/40 at Bellagio when he was no longer playing the 4/8.

I'd hate to just play 1/2 NL. If you make around $10-$15 an hour you'll be one of the best 1/2 players in Vegas.

At well over $100 a night plus $29 resort fees the Quad is no longer an option for penny-pinchers. The days of cheap but dumpy places on or very close to the strip such as the IP, Bourbon Street, San Remo, and the Boardwalk are gone.

Exactly, even when I go for a week or so as long as I'm up in my poker bankroll I'm happy. The up won't pay for the trip, but I'm not expecting it to.

The only times poker winnings came close to paying/paid for trip is when I made deep runs in WSOP events.

Super 8 next to Ellis isle is the best place to stay imo if you are going cheap. Usually 35 a night no resort fee and a block or two from the strip. There's also some super 8 and another hotel next to hooters that are about the same rate, but the m life casinos have more smokey rooms so I don't like playing there for a long time. For a month or longer I'd suggest the meridian apartments. Was $2000 for a two bedroom, but the place is awesome. Gym pool bball court racketball court. I can easily cover expenses and then some playing 1/2 but also play higher and I've played many millions of hands online. I think I wasn't the best player at the table at 1/2 once. Also did some degenerate stuff and now I get free rooms at some casinos minus resort fee so that's an option I guess. Make a degenerate friend maybe lol.

On regular weekdays you get rooms at the linq for $39. Plus that ridiculous $29 resort fee..

$15 is an average winning player. $23-27/hr is crushing.

The Vegas 1-2 NL games are too nitty, too small and have too many short stacks IMO. Winning $25 an hour doesn't seem that realistic to me at these stakes. I think 1-3 NL is a different story, and looser games outside of Vegas could also be a different story. You may be right about those winrates in games outside of Vegas.

Also it's very rare to see good TAG players at these stakes. Many of the best players will be ABC regs who play too loose PF. Players who are better tend to move up. Anyone who is good enough to win more than $15 an hour at 1-2 NL in Vegas should be playing 2-5 NL at least.

+1ing this so it doesn't appear to be an unpopular opinion.

Strip hotel-casinos are no longer casinos with hotels attached. They are now hotels with casinos attached. For several years now, the hotels have made more money than the casinos.

Pretty sure 4 Queens has no resort fee. I was looking for a room next month and they were $35 per night including tax during the dates that I searched.