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Originally Posted by madlex
It's a night race. The whole course is going to look like the brightest Christmas tree you've ever seen. Lights for F1 night races provide 3000 lux. A regular street light is 30 lux, NFL stadiums use 800 lux lights.
They also won't point lights to the sky or do anything else that might obstruct the view from hotel rooms because hotel operators already paid up to 10 million to have their property on the course and let their customers watch from their room windows. They're strictly talking about venues on the course from where people could easily watch the race that are going to charge customers an absurd amount of money anyway.
Also not sure why you feel the need to bring Europe into this, except to demonstrate you have no idea about Formula One. F1 owners are from the US (Liberty Media, also owns the Atlanta Braves and SiriusXM) and among the five night races (Vegas, Singapore, Abu Dhabi, Jeddah, Bahrain) none are in Europe.
FWIW, I just realized one of the quoted tweets above actually mentions light stanchions as one of their threads.
The F1 talk was of blocking views from venues that had not paid "extra" to F1, apart from the tax subsidy the County is paying, such as restaurants, bars, etc. It's really a money grab/taking of visual access that those venues could provide every other day of the year. Whatever the venues may or may not charge or give away is not F1's to refuse access to a view of the county streets. The County paid a lot of money, I don't think it gave away adjacent property owners rights not to have interference imposed from an intrusion of lights from off-property. F1 could build a big wall around the entire race route, except they don't own any property upon which to do so, nor the zoning or eminent domain power that would be required.. My understanding, however imperfect, is of an F1 planto use lights to blind unwanted "views" along the route. Do you know differently ?
Lawyers can and do argue about whether a "view" is a property right, but I understand that F1 plans to block that access from commercial venues that created big windows and views as part of their ongoing businesses. That seems a "taking" to me, although my knowledge of "takings" laws in Nevada is a bit rusty since I I once handled a matter against intrusion by the airport into property rights of an adjacent landowner.
If F1 wanted to hold their event in closed racing venue, they could have done so. That is what F1 is doing in Austin Tx. in October this year. Perhaps they did not like the Las Vegas Motor Speedway venue ? (I also do have "an idea " of what F1 is, and the external costs it can impose. I recall the subsequent bankruptcy involving the Dallas Grand Prix sponsor from the mid-1980s)
As for your concept of hotels preserving visual access from their guest rooms, I think the massive stands to be built might effectively block that, although seats in those stands are sold/given away separately as I understand the marketing. A room likely does not equal a view.
The mention of "Eurotrash" refers to the glitterati traveling swarm demographic from that part of the world catered to by F1. That Liberty owns the F1 and is owned by an American doesn't give F1 a license to interfere from off-property and public streets with an adjacent commercial property owner's rights.
Last edited by Gzesh; 07-25-2023 at 06:38 AM.