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I've heard a lot of qualified dealers in my room are getting DQed because they can't pass their drug tests. Is this true around town?

Are there any rooms that don't drug test for seasonal workers?

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06-06-2019 , 05:24 AM

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In a place where parking garages, hotel hallways, and even Strip sidewalks often wreak with weed stench I wouldn't be surprised if even non-stoners are getting failed.

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06-06-2019 , 12:31 PM

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Have to laugh at a generation of workers that thinks an employer should overlook drug use just because the worker is seasonal...

If you want to work for an employer that does not permit drug use, then it is not a challenge to simply NOT USE DRUGS.

I am sure there are PLENTY of qualified dealers that are capable of following the rules set forth by HR guidelines.

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06-06-2019 , 12:59 PM

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Solution is to switch from weed -> coke, ldo. And I have to laugh at employers who overlook a qualified candidate because they smoke pot.

Caveat: for cause, public safety, and maybe other reasons to test, but all other things being equal, IDGAF if my dealer (heh) or bartender indulges after hours, and neither should MGM, CET, etc.

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06-06-2019 , 01:27 PM

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And I have to laugh at employers who overlook a qualified candidate because they smoke pot.

Same as other low/non-qualification jobs, they want people who are just qualified and stay on the job. Drug users and overqualified applicants create additional overhead that nobody wants. Nobody really cares about weed. People care about turnover because that costs money.

That’s the reason why they still do drug testing at low level jobs even though the vast majority of private sector employers don’t test when hiring for jobs that require a qualification.

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06-08-2019 , 11:39 AM

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They test because they can, if the labor pool was too tight to weed out drug users they would have to make a different choice. It’s not some high and mighty position. They have the ability to hire the guy who doesn’t use vs the guy who does, even if the difference in performance is non-existent in most cases.

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06-08-2019 , 12:06 PM

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Are ALL employees in casinos tested for weed?
Forget keeping dealers on staff, how do you keep the food service
employees staffed

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06-08-2019 , 02:08 PM

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Seems like more a test of reliability to me, if someone can't do something as simple as not smoke weed for x days before an interview etc, how can they be sure that they'll show up for work while not high?

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06-08-2019 , 09:11 PM

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The rooms seem fully staffed in my experience this past week. Quality overall always suffers during the WSOP.

What I did get were two dealers who made it a point to mention "I deal all over the country". (Both really were decent enough and perhaps they were just talkative.)

OTOH, I had two other dealers last night at the V who made multiple errors each in a simple NLH $1-2 game, like forgetting there was a player left to act before going to the flop or misreading hands at showdown....Perhaps they were fatigued or worked beyond their regular capacity, but it required watching them

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06-08-2019 , 09:26 PM

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Beginning January 1, 2020 it will no longer be legal in Nevada to deny employment based on the a positive test for marijuana:

https://blog.norml.org/2019/06/07/ne...bis-consumers/

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06-08-2019 , 09:55 PM

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I, for one, welcome our new stoner over-lords. - Kent Brockman

Cheers to NV for sanity over hysteria regarding MJ.

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06-18-2019 , 04:44 PM

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Beginning January 1, 2020 it will no longer be legal in Nevada to deny employment based on the a positive test for marijuana:

https://blog.norml.org/2019/06/07/ne...bis-consumers/

Of course, it ALSO will do nothing to preclude an employer from terminating a newly hired employee for said drug use. The statute only addresses the inability to refuse to HIRE...and if an entity does not want potheads, there will be OTHER reasons given beyond the drug use.

Few people really want to have to sit for thirty (or more) minutes around someone who reeks of weed. A customer-facing employee has to contend with the reality that their employer necessarily has to take into account what will or will not fly with the customer base.

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06-18-2019 , 05:29 PM

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How can that law hold up in Federal court? How can a law that compels employers to hire people that they know violated Federal law be upheld?

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06-18-2019 , 05:45 PM

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How can that law hold up in Federal court? How can a law that compels employers to hire people that they know violated Federal law be upheld?

It can't and will go down in court.

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06-18-2019 , 07:16 PM

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In a place where parking garages, hotel hallways, and even Strip sidewalks often wreak with weed stench I wouldn't be surprised if even non-stoners are getting failed.

Just as a fun FYI, years ago I worked a job where I was drug tested. All my roommates smoked weed, and everyone at our home game smoked weed. I would be sitting next to 6 other people hitting the bong non stop, for 4 hours, clouds of smoke. I passed every drug test no problem. Second hand smoke as far as contact highs are a myth, and breathing exhales marijuana smoke will not fail a drug test.

It was funny to see a guy go "raise' then rip a huge bong hit before putting his chips out

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06-18-2019 , 07:49 PM

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Just as a fun FYI, years ago I worked a job where I was drug tested. All my roommates smoked weed, and everyone at our home game smoked weed. I would be sitting next to 6 other people hitting the bong non stop, for 4 hours, clouds of smoke. I passed every drug test no problem. Second hand smoke as far as contact highs are a myth, and breathing exhales marijuana smoke will not fail a drug test.

It was funny to see a guy go "raise' then rip a huge bong hit before putting his chips out

legit lol

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06-18-2019 , 11:55 PM

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I figured some of it would get into your hair and be absorbed, and that's where it stays a long time.

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06-21-2019 , 01:12 AM

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I figured this thread was going to be about staffing issues due to unemployment being so low.... couldn't have been more wrong!

What's the average poker dealer making per hour these days?

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06-21-2019 , 12:24 PM

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Beginning January 1, 2020 it will no longer be legal in Nevada to deny employment based on the a positive test for marijuana:

https://blog.norml.org/2019/06/07/ne...bis-consumers/

This may become interesting because Nevada generally speaking is an at-will employment State

So, apparently, an employer can still fire you for no reason or for any reason, but not for a "bad reason, such as racial discrimination or, now, for MJ use ?

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06-21-2019 , 12:29 PM

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How can that law hold up in Federal court? How can a law that compels employers to hire people that they know violated Federal law be upheld?

1. There is no federal law which makes having smoked/inbibed/eaten MJ a "status" crime.

2. The law does not compel a business to hire anyone. (I have not seen the actual text as yet, so this is based on posts itt.) What the law does is make a refusal to hire illegal if the refusal based on a particular "bad" reason. That sort of state law is not uncommon I expect, what is uncommon is deeming MJ-related reasons as "bad".

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06-21-2019 , 01:18 PM

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If you think you can show up to work drunk/stoned, and have no repercussions, then you must be drunk/stoned. No one is arguing for being allowed to be at work drunk/stoned.

But if I [light up a jay|crack open a beer] after work, what business is it of my employer?

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06-21-2019 , 02:37 PM

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The statute does not preclude FIRING for the use...rather, the statute just says that pot use, by itself, is precluded from being the basis not to hire someone. Hence the reason for my comments that they will find some OTHER reason not to hire the pothead...

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06-21-2019 , 02:39 PM

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I figured some of it would get into your hair and be absorbed, and that's where it stays a long time.

Where follicle testing has been done, it is usually a plucked hair that is examined beginning at the root. The user will have it present at the root while the person just in contact via second-hand smoke would not be expected to have any detectable levels at the root...

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06-21-2019 , 06:16 PM

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Haven't read the actual statute, do you have a link ?

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06-21-2019 , 07:58 PM

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But if I [light up a jay|crack open a beer] after work, what business is it of my employer?

It’s non of their business. But they are also not required to hire people who smoke or drink. The only question is if they are allowed to test for it and base a hiring decision on that.

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