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Old 05-25-2017, 03:42 AM   #1
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difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Is there much of one? I know there's a pretty decent jump from either to 2/5. But surely 1/3 is almost or just as soft as 1/2 right? Since it's the lowest stakes offered in the rooms it's offered in.
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Old 05-25-2017, 07:39 AM   #2
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Its all low limit... no real measurable difference save for the slightly higher max buy in amounts at some rooms.

Also, some rooms 2/5 have lower buy ins that tend to merge the difference between the 1/3 and 2/5 games.

I do find that the higher buy in games $500-1/3 and $1500-2/5 can be more action oriented more often than the $300-1/2 games.
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Old 05-25-2017, 08:42 AM   #3
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

In Vegas, where there are many games in a close vicinity, I think lots of nitty and scared money types won't touch 1/3 (opting instead for 1/2 elsewhere) and whales and splashy types figure why bother when there's juicier 2/5 readily available. Plus, you might see a lot of 1/3 games populated with solid 1/2 players taking a baby step before plying their trade at 2/5

Don't get me wrong though - 1/3 probably is not much less soft than 1/2, especially on weekends or touristy times. I just don't think it makes sense to play when given the other options.
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Old 05-25-2017, 09:10 AM   #4
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

In my opinion the max buy in is more important than the blind levels. Aria 1/3 with 300 max plays like a 1/2. Wynn 1/3 with a 500 max plays bigger and tougher. Back home I have a room with 1/3 500 max as the smallest game and it plays much bigger than the nearby room with 1/2 300 max but it's not really tougher
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:12 AM   #5
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

1/6.
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Old 05-26-2017, 12:23 AM   #6
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

i find 1/3 falls somewhere between 1/2 and 2/5 (seriously)
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Old 05-26-2017, 03:24 AM   #7
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Player pools are quite similar. If you're good, you should prefer 1/3, since the opening raise will be slightly higher, meaning your winrate will be slightly higher. Max buy-in should also be higher, which better for good players
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:42 AM   #8
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

the difference is 1$...

But it depends, generally the max buyin is higher which should make a bit deeper that the average 100bbish 1/2 game.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:53 AM   #9
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the difference is 1$...

But it depends, generally the max buyin is higher which should make a bit deeper that the average 100bbish 1/2 game.
Not if you play at Aria 1/3 with the 300 max first before going to Encore cause you're a br nit like me.
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Old 05-26-2017, 09:44 AM   #10
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the difference is 1$...

But it depends, generally the max buyin is higher which should make a bit deeper that the average 100bbish 1/2 game.
Yeah, but $1 is 50%. So actually it's a bigger difference than it seems.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:56 AM   #11
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Yeah, but $1 is 50%. So actually it's a bigger difference than it seems.
A poker game with $3 total blinds each hand as opposed to $4 is going to play almost exactly the same. Compare that to the diff 1/2 to 2/5 (3 to 7) and then 2/5 to 5/10 (7 to 15) where you are more than doubling the total blind money and no, it's not a bigger difference than it seems.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:44 PM   #12
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Played at Aria Friday night and Bellagio last night. Things I've noticed...slightly tighter than 1/2. And because of that 4x opens instead of 5x seem to be standard. $15 pre no limpers is a big raise even if it's juts 5x. Maybe I've just been at the wrong tables but there seemed to be fewer obvious fish (50+ VPIP). Still soft, and I've yet to come across a player I consider a threat, but a tiny bit tougher than 1/2.
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Old 05-28-2017, 05:24 PM   #13
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Theres a certain type of player that prefer 1/2 to 1/3.. Their presence sometimes makes for a different gameflow. Maybe not in the big rooms, but in the smaller ones like harrahs or ballys.. They make the game smaller by being nitty.
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Old 05-28-2017, 06:20 PM   #14
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Oh god don't even mention Bally's...what a sh|t room.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:43 PM   #15
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

I don't think you'll find a bigger jump in the game (at least in Vegas) than you will between 1/2 and 1/3. At 1/2 you can get away with a number of mistakes or just playing ABC. At 1/3 you will get your ass handed to you unless you're on the top of your game and mixing things up playing near-GTO. The real sad bit is when someone sits at a 1/3 game thinking it's 1/2 but has too much pride to get up once they realize their mistake and they're in over their heads it's like a zebra among lions.
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Old 05-28-2017, 08:53 PM   #16
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Never noticed a difference except the pots are a bit bigger
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:08 PM   #17
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I don't think you'll find a bigger jump in the game (at least in Vegas) than you will between 1/2 and 1/3. At 1/2 you can get away with a number of mistakes or just playing ABC. At 1/3 you will get your ass handed to you unless you're on the top of your game and mixing things up playing near-GTO. The real sad bit is when someone sits at a 1/3 game thinking it's 1/2 but has too much pride to get up once they realize their mistake and they're in over their heads it's like a zebra among lions.
I'm sorry but you have to be awful at poker to think a 1-3 table is full of cold blooded killers playing GTO like bosses.
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:26 PM   #18
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I'm sorry but you have to be awful at poker to think a 1-3 table is full of cold blooded killers playing GTO like bosses.
You have to be awful at reading comprehension .

This dudes post was ****ing hilarious lol well done sir
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Old 05-28-2017, 09:27 PM   #19
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I don't think you'll find a bigger jump in the game (at least in Vegas) than you will between 1/2 and 1/3. At 1/2 you can get away with a number of mistakes or just playing ABC. At 1/3 you will get your ass handed to you unless you're on the top of your game and mixing things up playing near-GTO. The real sad bit is when someone sits at a 1/3 game thinking it's 1/2 but has too much pride to get up once they realize their mistake and they're in over their heads it's like a zebra among lions.
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Old 05-29-2017, 03:46 AM   #20
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I'm sorry but you have to be awful at poker to think a 1-3 table is full of cold blooded killers playing GTO like bosses.
Dude, its basic knowledge if you are outgrowing 1/2 you skip 1/3 because of the endless bosses in those games.
You go straight to 2/5 because that is were the softspots are..
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Old 05-29-2017, 10:47 AM   #21
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Played at Aria Friday night and Bellagio last night. Things I've noticed...slightly tighter than 1/2. And because of that 4x opens instead of 5x seem to be standard. $15 pre no limpers is a big raise even if it's juts 5x. Maybe I've just been at the wrong tables but there seemed to be fewer obvious fish (50+ VPIP). Still soft, and I've yet to come across a player I consider a threat, but a tiny bit tougher than 1/2.
I put in a 25 hour session at Bellagio 1/3 Saturday night to Sunday night. Games were good as always and typical raises were in the $12-$16 range first in. I was making my normal $15 raise first in and $20 with 2 limpers and was getting plenty of 3-4 way pots. Just to illustrate how the games were good.....$13 raise from HJ, CO and BTN call, and I 3b in the SB to $58 with AA......all 3 call so about $230 in the pot. Flop is Ks Js 7c. I shove the flop with the 3 callers all having about $125-$250 behind. I get 2 snap calls and one fold. Main pot of $675 and side pot of $200. Turn is a blank and river is an A. Villain 1 shows KJo (he had me on the flop but I sucked out on the river), and villain 2 shows As 7s for bottom pair and nut flush draw. I get lucky and scoop the $875 pot but villains should have easily folded 2 my 3b PF. I win another nice $650 pot when I run my AA up against KK and AQ on an A23xK runout. I do lose a $575 pot with KK against AK when all the money goes in PF. I was in to the game for $800 and cashed out $2280 so a nice $1480 profit for the session.

I played at about 6 different tables during my 25 hour session and on average there was probably 2 small winning players at the table, 3 fish playing ATC, and 3 other players that were probably small losers. I had one table where a couple sat down and they had to be told every single hand what their options were. The lady even asked during a hand she was in if 3 of a kind beat 2 pair. They each bought in for $100 and were busto in about 30 minutes. One hand villain bets in to her on the river and she just calls with the nuts instead of raising.

One of my tables had Paul "Quack Quack" Mcgriels on it. He was c-betting flops for a single quack quack of $22 and several times he bet 2 and a half quacks of $55.

I also didn't know this but I was told by one player/dealer that you get pearl status at 75 hours of poker played for the year and gold at 150 hours....good to know if you're looking to get to pearl status so you can get free parking
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Old 05-29-2017, 10:50 AM   #22
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I'm sorry but you have to be awful at poker to think a 1-3 table is full of cold blooded killers playing GTO like bosses.
+1. I'd be surprised if I've ever sat with anotherr 1/3 player that had a clue what GTO stood for.
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Old 05-29-2017, 12:55 PM   #23
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Re: difference between 1/2 and 1/3

Skill level is the same. No poker room runs both 1/2 and 1/3, it's either or. So the low limit players will play whichever one is at the poker room they are playing at and I doubt there are very many players that choose a poker room based on whether they offer 1/2 vs. 1/3.

1/3 does play a little bigger though so if you want to play smaller then try to find a casino with 1/2.
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Old 05-29-2017, 04:28 PM   #24
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I also didn't know this but I was told by one player/dealer that you get pearl status at 75 hours of poker played for the year and gold at 150 hours....good to know if you're looking to get to pearl status so you can get free parking
Is this confirmed? That would make a difference in where I play when I come out this week.
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+1. I'd be surprised if I've ever sat with anotherr 1/3 player that had a clue what GTO stood for.
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