I haven't been, but not a bad idea.

Btw, I'm pretty sure Scotch works for Comenity. I have been well compensated for RCs in the past and just earned the 15k RC bonus for spending $50k this year. I have less than 13k TCs. Please don't take out a line of credit if you have no intention of using the initial bonus.

I have a generic number called vip hotline, that's it. Talked to the desk at my home casino a week ago but they said the person who normally approves it was on a cruise?

Thanks for the info.

that VIP Hotline is worthless in my experience

I’ve done that before. You can get quite a lot there for $100… more than one meal. At least you could before COVID.

All customer service is getting to be a lot worse.

Went to a TR reward desk last week. Asked the agent to tell me my time, average bet and tier points earned for one table game that day (this was when I was investigating what looked like a bait and switch Caesar’s was doing with their 5x promotions). The agent told me that info was not available. I told her it was. She insisted it was not. I insisted it was. I asked her to get her manager. She came out and pulled the info up (minus the tier points, which was curious, and just one more reason I believe they are doing some really sketchy stuff).

Anyhow, if you find somebody who knows anything on your first attempt talking to CAESARS personnel, consider yourself lucky and go put a bet down somewhere. You’re not likely to run that good any other time.

For as badly run as CZE was prior to the acquisition, that company looked like the gold standard in comparison to things under El Dorado.

Good to know, but it was unlikely I'd be back to Vegas before then.

When I'm in Vegas, the food being better is of lower priority than interference with my schedule. Just getting out of the parking garage, getting into Caesars parking garage, and limping through that giant mausoleum to get to the restaurant would take the better part of an hour. Three hours from start to finish compared to bringing something back to my room to eat while I go through my emails and stock market youtubes.

They probably laid off most of the competent people because they had the most seniority.

Investigating a 5x bait and switch? What’s the switch angle?

An email goes out to hundreds of pit bosses to input less tier credits than they normally do at table games?

They don’t even make sure stuff that shouldn’t count, like poker, doesn’t get caught up in the 5x. And it seems like there’s far more money being thrown into the slot machines and they aren’t rigging them

A conspiracy involving only table games would be like Arnold Rothstein trying to rig 1919 World Series by paying off the bullpen catcher.

The switch is they tell you you’re getting x, and promote it like crazy, but behind the scenes they have rigged it so you get substantially less than x.

And floor personnel don’t enter how many tier credits you earn. They’re just responsible for average bet and in some cases, time. The rest is done through automated formulas which depend on the game.

And as I’ve mentioned in previous comments, on my recent trip to Vegas there were some very odd situations where I earned very different amounts of points for the same game, betting the same amount for the same amount of time on different days. That shouldn’t happen, and at least in a small sample size, it seemed to coincide with the 5x promotions.

I’m not likely to ever learn the truth of it, but my theory is they screw around with the formulas in order to award fewer points when it suits them.

Maybe players still earn more during a tier multiplier promotion than they would otherwise. But if they’re advertising 5x, and you’re really only getting 2.5x because of the way they are awarding points, I would find that extremely sketchy.

Anyhow, don’t ask me what their justification would be. We’ve already seen CZE change the odds and/or payouts on several games. Maybe that isn’t clandestine, but it’s because it can’t be. What’s to stop them from changing how they award tier points behind the scenes, while up front making it seem like they’re giving them away? Their criteria and formulas are completely hidden from the public, and becoming even more so, apparently.

So, I’m just reporting my experience. I obviously pay close attention to everything having to do with my rating and I have done so for over a decade. I suggest others pay closer attention too, especially during these promotional periods. I would be very curious to find out if anyone else experiences something like this.

I used mine there a few weeks ago. Would not do it again.

Quoted from someone who works in the industry when I asked the same questions posed above.

“The casino does not actually have to tell you anything other than buyin/AWL, whats input as far as bets etc. is up to my discretion, and we cannot say how many points a player earns during a session”

I tend to believe the poster who says there is likely equations that shift day to day, week to week.

In my short experience in Vegas, harassing the supervisor at table games about these numbers is actually counter productive.

Not having time for food in LV might be a life leak. Do all that at the bar while eating good food.

Getting accurately rated by a floor person with respect to average bet is often a challenge. I would say it usually has more to do with them being stretched thin than any sort of incompetence or malfeasance. I agree that harassing them won’t usually help, but there’s nothing wrong with verifying your rating before getting up at the end of the session. In fact, I have always been encouraged to do so since the floor people sometimes miss things. They may try to verify with the dealer if they’re not sure, but I have never encountered a floor person who refused to adjust the rating if it’s discussed in a friendly manner with them. Of course, if you do treat them like crap you are not likely to get anywhere.

As to the rest, the “we cannot tell you how much you earned in a session” thing is something that seems new. While it was never easy to get this information in the past, it was obtainable. It’s this sort of apparent secrecy that makes the whole thing seem so much more shady. Add on top of that the significant degradation in customer service, and their “loyalty” program has turned into more of something to dissuade me from buying what they’re selling. I would not be surprised if other companies have done the same sort of stuff, but I’m primarily a customer of CZE, and that is what is annoying.

I find it very hard to believe they are rigging it behind the scenes for table games but still give poker players 170 tier credits per hour during that 5x. And all seemingly just a drop in bucket compared to slots which is 100% and in my experience, applied correctly.

Borg23 told you there’s a large variance in how floor enters it in. And similar to sports betting the amounts of tier credits you receive may have dropped. But none of that is a 5x conspiracy

You find it very hard to believe while posting BS 5x TCs through the credit card. Please stop posting.

Lol no I’m not going to stop posting. I’ll make it a point to post more if anything.

There’s been a ton of misinformation and anger based on things that are simply not true.

Yeah I got the 5x bump up on a credit card bonus. So yeah hard to believe a tin foil conspiracy on table games when they could simply eliminate the low lying fruit of not applying the 5x bonus to stuff they say is excluded.

There was some weird anger directed at my way regarding the CC

Yeah I got lucky, but do you also get angry at people who win the lottery? Do you yell F you at the old man who wins in Bingo? Lol

From my perspective I was doing the forum a favor. Informing them of the benefits of the credit card under normal circumstances, and then how you can also put yourself in a position to get lucky.

I don't know why you find this hard to believe. Their computer system is TRASH. Sometimes things get multiplied that shouldn't. For example at the end of the year(usually the last quarter) they give a 20 percent tier credit bonus on TC earned that gives you credits for the next year. I earned a lot of credits on their apps the last few years. One year I got the bonus the next year for them. The next year I didn't get the bonus. When I emailed them about it they told me TC earned online don't count towards that promo- and it was in their terms and conditions. Meanwhile a friend of mine did get the bonus and only earned his TC online. I can definitely seem Scotch getting super lucky and getting the multiplier on his CC TC.

I've also had a few times where I earned 1,000 tc in a day online. This isn't supposed to count for the daily multiplier. But I still got it a couple of times and didn't get it other tines.

You honestly don't know why it's hard to believe? Scotch said that he researched ways to get diamond and then posted a way that shouldn't have gotten him diamond.

I'll just say it... He's full of ****.

Thinking about making a trip to Reno on NFL wildcard weekend to take advantage of the 10x TC days. Has anyone ever gotten a decent bounce back offer due to DIAD play? I usually do maybe 500 TC/day and get basic room comps and low freeplay. Would a 4000TC day impact offers?

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Lol wow it’s just so bizarre he thinks I’m lying. I struggle to find my motivation. And there’s lots of verified things that shouldn’t get hit by 5x multiplier, but do.

And even without getting azz lucky the card is worth it if you want Diamond.

With 5K spend in first year you will get 10K in tier credits and 5K in reward credits (worth $50). Any other decent rewards card will get you $100 in rewards.

Thus essentially you are “paying” $50 for 10K tier credits. Worth it? I think so. Then you have a little lottery ticket for something special to happen.

Yeah I wanted a Diamond card and saw that the CC gets you 2/3 of the way there. And Scotch lived happily ever after.

Not sure where drama comes in or why this is bad. Anyone can do it.

Seems better than table games where you are at mercy of manual entries. Then I would never grab a TR employee by neck demanding to know how many tier credits were earned lmao

no i don't know why it's hard to believe bc i've gotten multipliers I shouldn't have several times as have my friends.as have many people who've posted about them online- including times where some people get them for something they shouldn't have and other people didn't. like I said their computer system is TRASH.

Ok. Get the CC.... It's the easy way to get diamond!