If you are staying at a CET property, I think you'll find they have you upgraded when you get there. I went prepared to show the people at the Diamond check in that I had recently joined and just hadn't been processed yet, and to try to get them to at least waive the resort fees, but when I got there they said I was officially Diamond and that they had an envelope waiting for me behind the desk. I did not show to be updated before I arrived at the hotel.

Call Founders Card, that's what my girlfriend did, they sent the info to Ceasars, and when we got to Vegas we went to TR desk and they gave her a diamond card,

Fyi, the desk at the LINQ was no help, but Flamingo hooked us up. Make sure you go as soon as you can if you care about the show tickets so you have more choices between availability/dark days/your scedule....

im heading to vegas next week and want to try and get diamond status in a day.

is it 1000 tier credits to get this status?
What machines and casinos would be best to obtain this the fastest with the lowest house edge? VP or slots?

Appreciate any advice

If you earn 5000 credits in a day you'll get a 10000 credit bonus. That's the only way to get it from playing in a single day. You can split it in half over 2 days without losing anything - 2500 credits will get you 5000 bonus, so do that for 2 days.

Just going by anecdotal evidence, when I was playing video poker, it seemed to take quite awhile to get 4 tier credits. I always try to throw a twenty or two at a Megabucks slot machine every visit, and the tier credits seemed to run up much quicker. No idea how much EV you might give up, or whether anyone tracks such things any more.

Not all VP machines are $10/TC. Some are upwards of $50/TC.

thanks guys. yeah diamond in a day is crazy. i dont want to put in the much coin in or time. perhaps ill just try and get platinum. i dont have any comp room offers at CET properties. im assuming if i obtain plat i will have free rooms at most properties, right?

Comp offers are based on ADT, not status.

Even if you get more free offers as a platinum, resort fees still apply $30+ iirc

remember too CET day starts at 6 am not a 12 am day.

So diamond in a day is 6 am monday to 6 am tuesday

Earning Diamond (15k TC) can be done in one day, or two days for the same cost.

You earn a bonus for 25k coin in, 5k TC bonus.

You earn a bonus for 50k coin in, 10k TC bonus.

The best EV situation is to grind out the DDB machine at the Rio, but you'd have to coin in 5 times as much as a regular machine, and your variance will be sky high. You'd coin in 250k, or 125k 2 times playing $50 a hand, which will be 5000 hands. There will be an extremely negligible loss, but your actual results may vary..... Your looking at a 90% return if you run bad on 4oaks, premium 4oaks, and don't hit a royal.

I prefer 0.25, or 0.50 10 play 7/5 bonus. The return is bad (98%) but you only have to play 50k coin in. Sometimes I play 9/5 jacks (98.5%) $5 if I need to coin in real quick. I did try $1 Double Super Times Pay triple play, and lost like $7k putting through 50k Try to avoid high variance games, unless you can afford the loss.

I play for Seven Star every year and usually put in a 25k/50k session once a month on average. I am a local so I do get freeplay offers which offset the losses. Losing 2% on 500k coin in (lowest amount to play to get to SS) is about 10k. My offers average out to about $400-500 a month, so it's costing me significantly less then the expected loss. Also I travel a lot so the free rooms at Harrah's throughout the US helps.

Why do you put in a 25/50k session once a month once you've hit diamond?Are you 7 star offers that much better?

It's not so much getting 7 star that gets you better offers. As mentioned by a post above it's all about ADT, or MDV. The hosts just want to see a big theo loss on your account. I don't know what they rate video poker relative to what the actual theoretical is but some machines they rate really high. This is good for you the player, since the offers are much better.

I play to 7 star every year because I travel a lot to different casinos and can pretty much always get a room comped. Also my offers negate a lot of the expected loss so I'm paying a very small amount to keep 7 star. They also throw in some goodies such as a $500 dining credit, free flight to any Harrah's, and that pretty much wipes out the expected loss.

The small perks such as line cutting I don't value as much but it is nice to have.

Last year I needed a room for superbowl and it's pretty much impossible to get one but was able to get a suite at CP. That's always nice too, especially since I have lots of people flying into Vegas and need rooms.

+ I am a degenerate as well lol. Not really but I don't mind cycling through money on video poker if the perks are decent.

That game got downgraded sometime last year. As far as I know, the best games at Caesars properties in Vegas are 9/6 JoB, at $5 credits, and 25 dollars per tier credit instead of 10.

Thirty days ago, so paytables may have since changed, but at that time the Cromwell had a bank of 6 machines that had 9/6 JOB, 8/5 Bonus poker along with other playable games. 25 cent games, but a lousy rate of $50 per tier credit.

How is it a good deal to lose $10k to get $6k in benefits?

Huh. I wasn't aware of that. Unfortunately, it's probably physically impossible to get to 2500 tier points in a single day on these machines, which is the amount needed for the 5000 tier point bonus. That's 100,000 hands in a single day, or something like 4500+ hands an hour for 22 hours. And you'd have to do that twice to reach diamond.

The 6k is just from freeplay. He gets free rooms and flights whenever he wants. Plus the dining credit, access to stuff, etc. Plus just having the status - some put a different value on that than others.

It's like my local casino. I drop $20k/yr to get their 7-stars equivalent, but I get 10k back on the front end and well more than 10k back on the back end... not to mention all of the miscellaneous goodies (free up-close seats to every show, unlimited lounge access, line cutting, 20% off everything, free golf, etc).

Yes there are more perks. At the end of the year they have a holiday gift wrap up thing where you can trade your points for freeplay. The monthly freeplay offers usually include a dining comp, or a gift card to some random merchant throughout town (Best Buy is +EV for me since I'm a nerd).

Also I just like to gamble. I do it for a living so I usually minimize my -EV gambling to stuff that gets me goodies in return. Being able to book a room in Harrah's in another state is a huge deal for me since I scout and go on plays all over the US.

do u get points for roulette?

I still wonder if a person might just be better off throwing money into slots. Slots are more -EV than VP but you have to put a lot more coin in with VP. I think people here like VP more because they think it's skill-based and somehow they'll do better with it, as opposed to mashing the max bet button on a slot.

People would be better off just paying founders card 300 a year instead of lighting money on fire for hours on end at the machines.

That only gets the card, not the supposedly big discounts in the future based on play.

Which brings to mind another possible benefit - the casino might be more generous towards a slot player than what they perceive as an EV grinder.

It certainly worked for me. I'm going to ride the Founders train for as long as I can, at least as long as they still get you Diamond, and Diamond has good value in Las Vegas.

However, two friends that I referred to Founders have told me that they are now asking lots of questions, as opposed to just rubber stamping the application. One of them ended up backing out, the other is still working on it but it's been almost two weeks.

Anybody else running into this issue?

Well, you still have to learn whatever VP game that you intend to grind out. The nice thing about VP is that you can actually calculate the EV cost of earning x number of tier points. The variance can be calculated as well.

Slot machines are a lot fuzzier. You could find out the average return percentages in your area, but I doubt that you'll be able to find the actual return of an individual machine. Still, good video poker compares favorably to the average slot machine returns, even when you factor in $25/tier point vs. $5/tier point.

Assuming that your play isn't full of mistakes, of course.