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Old 04-08-2013, 12:06 AM   #751
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So as some of you already know, I busted that 600 today. I felt like it was a pretty good tournament, although I did have a little trouble in a few spots. In particular I think I played too tight, but I think the table dynamics dictated that. It was basically 7 ******s, myself, and 2 good players, both of which were to my left, one of them being Jeff Madsen. Madsen, a fairly well-known tourney player, kept 3-betting me and flatting my raises forcing me to play oop so I had to play pretty tight. Most pots were multi-way because people just weren't folding so there wasn't a lot of room to maneuver and steal pots. After the first few levels I pretty much grinded a 15-20bb stack the rest of the way, just keeping up with the raising blinds. My only all-ins were AQ vs AK which I pulled out with a Q on the flop and a flip against Madsen, my 66 against his KQ, which put me out of the tournament when a Q flopped and I failed to improve.

I'll be playing at least one more event, the 400 next weekend. I was thinking of playing the 2500 but at this point its unlikely unless I make a reasonable score in the 400.

Cash game wise I played basically all PLO this week. The 1/2 with 5 bring in has been running consistently at the V, sometimes with 2 tables, and the games have been good overall. Wednesday I lost some but had a monster day on Thursday followed by a decent win on Friday and then broke even yesterday for an overall good week. I have felt pretty comfortable in the game so far. I've got the fundamentals back but am still pretty rusty in some of the marginal spots. I'll be playing the game a lot from now on to work out the kinks for the WSOP. Unfortunately that means my hours for the 2/5 prop bet will fall off. I did play a little 2/5 the other day while waiting for PLO and it was a huge adjustment after getting used to the 4 card game.

Takin the next 2 days off and back at it Wednesday. I need to put in a solid week as I didn't get a ton of time in this week, though thats partly because of the tournament.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:33 AM   #752
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More PLO lately. I planned to take off monday/tuesday but instead played tuesday and took off wednesday since I made golf plans with some friends and knew I wouldn't want to play poker after.

Tuesday's sessions had nothing interesting to report poker-wise, won a bit at the PLO game at the V, pretty much all in one spot with an ok AA hand preflop. I did however experience one of the rudest people I've yet to come across in live poker, which is saying a lot. Guy sent back food 3 times for pretty marginal reasons, cursing out the wait staff throughout all his interactions with them. Finally got 86'd, which despite him being a big donator to the game, I was extremely happy about. The game was so much more pleasant after he left and I just don't have time for people like that even if they are horrible players.

Today was a pretty good session as I was able to pick up some pots in marginal spots, which I am getting a feel for again. Unfortunately I lost a giant pot, which ended my session at just over 6 hrs. I got all in with A789 on a 69T flop against KQJ9, my nut straight+nut flush draw against a nut wrap with spade blockers. This opponent does not run it twice and the board ran out 84 as my straight was counterfeit for a nearly 3k pot. That was the biggest pot I've lost including all games/stakes except 5/10nl. Still a super good spot as even with him blocking 3 of my spades I'm still a 60/40 favorite.

Will be playing cash next two days, PLO in all likelihood, and then the 400 DSE event on Sunday.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:54 AM   #753
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Damn that's brutal!
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:43 AM   #754
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Ty for playing PLO, trip reports are so much better.
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Old 04-13-2013, 12:01 PM   #755
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that 60/40 spot is brutal...I am curious how did the betting went pre and post
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:15 PM   #756
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1/2 blinds w/ $5 bring in, $10 button straddle was on this hand. Villain limps sb, I limp bb, one mp limper, LP player makes it 55, villain calls, I call, mp limper folds. Flop villain led for pot, I made just under a pot sized raise, he raised setting me all-in and I called.
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:14 PM   #757
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:34 PM   #758
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Busted that 400 today during level 7. I was card dead basically the whole tournament and grinded down to about 20bb where I hovered for a while. I made a couple preflop shoves during level 6 that kept me afloat, but ended up busting right after we came back from break. I shoved A5 from the HJ after one limp with about 12bb and the limper called with 44 and I lost the flip.

After these tournaments I'm really not sure where I'm at with the WSOP. The fields were ridiculously soft so I have to have an advantage, but at the same time I was lost in a lot of situations, particularly with 40-80bb stacks. So I'm not sure I want to play 1k and 1500 buy-in events unless I feel more comfortable in those situations.

I busted after about 5 hours of play but decided not to play cash, I was sorta tired and just didn't feel like playing.

I did play some more PLO yesterday and Friday, booking a small win Friday in a pretty boring session. Never got all-in and just swung up and down all day within a pretty small window.

Yesterday I played 1/2 most of the day until the 2/5 game got started, which I played for a couple hours. I ended up losing a bit in the 2/5 game but had won a decent amount at 1/2 so still in the black for the day. When 1/2 first started it was short handed, which was awesome because it gave me a chance to practice being in marginal situations and I feel like I made some progress there. When the game is full though I still feel like I might be playing a bit too tight/passive and I could take down more pots without showdown if I opened it up but when I do it just seems like people don't fold so I end up barreling off money in marginal situations and then just revert back to a near nut-peddle strategy.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:42 AM   #759
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the donkaments play considerably different than the 1500's T... I am not sure where you are in terms or tournament play, but gauging your ability to go deep in a bracelet event over a donkment is not really like comparing apples to apples.

I think I am the only one around here that still love to play that low limit shyte... I get a kick out of 1/2-1/3
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:49 PM   #760
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the donkaments play considerably different than the 1500's T... I am not sure where you are in terms or tournament play, but gauging your ability to go deep in a bracelet event over a donkment is not really like comparing apples to apples.

I think I am the only one around here that still love to play that low limit shyte... I get a kick out of 1/2-1/3
I've never played in a bracelet event, but looking at the structure sheets for the 1500's I think they are pretty comparable to the DSE events.

Your comment got me thinking so here's some analysis from an admittedly inexperienced tournament player. The DSE 600 starts with 15k chips and first level is 50-100 (150bbs) with 40 min levels. The 1500 starts with 4500 chips, plays 60 min levels and the structure is identical to the DSE events, except they add a 25-25 and a 25-50 level in the beginning, so starting stack is 180bbs. After 2 hours of play, if you still have a starting stack, in the DSE you have 75bbs at 100-200/25 and in the 1500 WSOP event you have 45bb's at 50-100. After 4 hours you'd have 20bbs in the DSE event at 300-600/50 and 22.5bbs in the WSOP event at 100-200. I think then the main difference is that antes come into play sooner at the DSE events so even though the structure is slower at the beginning, at some point (looks like around the 4 hr mark), the 1500 becomes a better structure.

As far as low limit games, I think I'd gouge my eyes (really my ears) out if I went back and played 1/2nl. I dislike many of the standard personality types that poker rooms attract, and by the looks of the 1/2 lineups I'd be dealing with a much higher concentration of the ones I dislike (ie. douchey tournament kids, cocky tourists that think they're the **** at poker, etc.)
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:31 PM   #761
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Taylor, do you think the 2/5nl at venetian is considerably better during the DSE or more of the same pretty much?
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Old 04-16-2013, 12:40 AM   #762
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Taylor, do you think the 2/5nl at venetian is considerably better during the DSE or more of the same pretty much?
Its definitely different, and I'd say much better. You get a huge influx of tourney players who come for anywhere from a few days to the whole series and play tournaments. On days they bust or just don't play a tourney, they come and play cash. None of these people are any good at cash, despite maybe being decent tourney players (and most are just tourists who aren't even good at tourneys but are attracted to the casinos by the DSE series). The games play slightly different because they do goofy **** and their sizing is very tournament-ish, which leads to them getting crushed by good cash players. The key here is paying attention and adjusting to how they are playing because some of the crap they do could screw you up if you try to just play a standard game.

Now of course the regs know about this so I see a lot more regs during DSE, even some from other casinos that come to the V more often when DSE is around so you have to deal with that, but on balance the games get better. Its a little higher variance imo because if you run bad it will be worse than if its just the standard lineups because the style a lot of the tourney donks play is more aggro than your average cash fish.

I actually had a brief conversation with a V reg about this who said that it seemed like his results were better when DSE was not going on. I think this has to do with the above and is more a short term variance thing resulting from having to play against more aggro fish and a few extra regs. I still think its more profitable, but honestly sometimes I prefer to just beat up on the normal games with passive fish as its lower variance and not nearly as taxing.
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Thanks for the input. Definitely agree about being confused by some of the lines tourney players take! The games haven't seemed too much different during dse in my experience but I don't play there a ton either. glgl
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:30 PM   #764
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I have just returned from an extended business trip. I am glad to see that you are continuing to make progress. I want to wish you the best of luck this summer during the WSOP.
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Old 04-20-2013, 04:20 AM   #765
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I played PLO still on Tuesday and yesterday, but played holdem today. Tuesday's session was pretty bad as I couldn't do anything and got check-raised left and right. Got back about half of my loss near the end of the session so it wasn't too bad. Yesterday was sorta the opposite, started off up pretty good and then lost a few pots. Definitely made one bad call but otherwise was happy, ended up losing like 50 bucks.

Today it was back to holdem, which was the plan going in, and the fact that there wasn't a PLO game going when I got to the V made that easier. It started off slow but I ended up going on a nice heater in the second half of my session and had one of my biggest 2/5 wins. I feel like I played great save one ridiculously weak fold preflop near the end.

The reason I played nl today was because I have not been that happy with how PLO has been going. Results wise its been ok. I'm up a little this time around but the sample size means nothing. What's more important is that a combination of pace of play and lack of game selection makes it tough to play PLO every day. Sometimes the game is good and just as profitable as holdem, if not more. But when its not good its horrible and you're either stuck playing a ****ty game or playing something else. And for me, as I've talked about before, I don't like jumping around all that much so playing PLO when its good and holdem when its not doesn't work well for me. I play better when focusing on one game.

I have now gone through my 3rd PLO phase. First was my first ~month out here, second was basically August, and now the last 3 weeks or so. And I think now I'm pretty confident that at least in the Vegas scene (non-WSOP time), I can't make as much in PLO games day in and day out as I can in holdem. At the same time I'm glad I spent the last few weeks playing PLO. It gave me a much needed break from holdem and I think helped my poker game overall as PLO really forces you to think. My reads today were definitely sharper and I attribute some of that to PLO. It also was good to have a refresher because even though I'm not gonna play daily, I will still play some during WSOP and if there is a great lineup. I also have what is shaping up to be a regular golf 4-some mostly originating from a couple PLO guys so thats another positive.

So now its back to the 2 card game, with the 4 card game making appearances only when a great game pops up or to switch it up when I need a break from holdem.

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Old 04-21-2013, 10:50 AM   #766
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The thing about the bracelet events vs other tournaments like the DSEs is the raw number of chips you start with and the physical number of chips too. This makes a difference to less experienced players who start with 4,500 in chips. Some players don't seems to realize that they're starting with 180bbs and one hour levels. It gets worse for some people when they might have 30bbs later on but literally only have 4 chips. There's something to that in the $1.5k Series events.
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Why don't you just play in games that are good. Instead of forcing your self to play PLO
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Why don't you just play in games that are good. Instead of forcing your self to play PLO
Thats would be ideal, but when I've tried doing that I find I don't play as well when jumping around in games from day to day. I like to keep a consistent mindset and nlhe is the only game in Vegas that allows me to do that while playing in a good game virtually 100% of the time.
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This is clearly one the best threads on the 2+2 site. I provides an insight into the day-to-day life of a professional poker player without the hype or hubris.
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Old 04-21-2013, 11:16 PM   #770
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Curious to hear a rundown of the typical PLO games in Vegas
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The thing about the bracelet events vs other tournaments like the DSEs is the raw number of chips you start with and the physical number of chips too. This makes a difference to less experienced players who start with 4,500 in chips. Some players don't seems to realize that they're starting with 180bbs and one hour levels. It gets worse for some people when they might have 30bbs later on but literally only have 4 chips. There's something to that in the $1.5k Series events.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here, that inexperienced players will go with a hand too early not realizing they have more time? I have definitely had to think about chip counts in the DSEs I played because I wouldn't win a hand for a while and be out of small chips and have one tiny stack of chips and I would think "oh **** I need to make a move" but then realize that I still had 50bbs or something.

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This is clearly one the best threads on the 2+2 site. I provides an insight into the day-to-day life of a professional poker player without the hype or hubris.
Thanks! The stories out there romanticizing poker are great and fun to read but I try to portray the reality of the situation.

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Non-WSOP its Aria or Venetian.

Aria gets 1/3 200-500 daily, usually just 1 table. They will sometimes get 2/5 400-1500 but a combination of lack of space and the fact that most people on the 2/5 interest list are sitting at 1/3 means they rarely get a game going because even if they have an open table the floor doesn't want to break a solid 1/3 game for a 2/5 game that may or may not last. Its pretty much just 1/3 at least 90% of the time.

Venetian has been getting their 1/2 5 bring in 200-1K pretty consistently lately with 1-2 tables. Its pretty hit or miss because the structure lends itself to short-stacking. It also attracts 1/2 players, which is good, but they buy in like its 1/2 nl so they end up short-stacking even though they don't know thats what their doing. If 3 or more people at the table are short-stacking it kills the game because the constant preflop all-ins cut a good deep stack player's win rate. If the game is deep its great, but even then its more likely there are some good players in the game. Playing straight 2/5 would help alleviate short stackers but the fact that the 1/2 structure is so close to being as big as 2/5 it makes it extremely tough to get a 2/5 going. The player pool is small and we need the people that will play 1/2 but won't play 2/5 to "prop" the game up, and people that would play 2/5 are fine with the 1/2 because its big enough. This is ******ed because the games are basically the same but some low stakes players need a game to be labeled 1/2 in order to play. Another problem is that though the game has been going lately, its pretty streaky, will go every day for 6 weeks then not at all for a month.

There will be an occasional game at other places but its a once/month thing at best. During WSOP its obviously different. Games are more consistent at V and Aria but you can add the RIO into the mix with lots of tables ranging from 1/2-5/5-5/10-nosebleeds. These games are markedly better than games that run during non-WSOP time.
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Yea the DSE brings out tournament play to cash games. In a 2/5 game there will be a raise to $10 and a 3bet to $25 when they are $700 deep...
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Yea the DSE brings out tournament play to cash games. In a 2/5 game there will be a raise to $10 and a 3bet to $25 when they are $700 deep...
LOL If I was single, I'd totally try traveling to big tourneys to play cash.
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It's a sweet life ^^
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Hey guys, haven't updated in a while. My dad has been in town this week and to be honest I haven't had anything interesting to say and didn't feel like coming on here to say "Played 2/5, did fine" every couple days because really that sums up most of the last week and a half since my last update. I've played all 2/5 except for today and my sessions have been pretty boring actually. Mostly small wins, a couple negligible loses and a couple decent wins. I played a couple hands bad earlier this week but both were pretty small mistakes caused by some wishful thinking on my part. I feel like boredom was a part of it also because when I fold preflop for hours and finally get a hand sometimes I just put bets/raises in without thinking about it.

Today was the only non 2/5 session I played this week. When I got to the V there were 2 5/10's going and both looked good so I jumped into the must move. Ended up booking a decent win, mostly from getting AA in preflop and holding against an unknown hand. I felt like I played well overall and was thinking clearly in spots that are not as common at 2/5.

One sorta frustrating thing happened in the beginning of my session though. One limper I make it 50 with ATo, folds back to limper who calls. Flop comes J82r, villain (rec player, obvious mark in the game) checks, I cbet 70, he calls. Turn comes an A and it goes check-check. River pairs the J and he checks again. I bet 130 in $10 chips. Now he puts out 2 blacks and 3 $10 chips. This isn't enough for a raise but because he put in at least half of what is necessary to raise, he is forced to min-raise, which is the rule at the V. The dealer says "its going to be 260 to raise" at which point the guy puts out 3 more $10 chips without saying anything and waits for my action. Obviously if he meant to raise this is a snap-fold and his reaction to being forced to raise gave me no indication anything fishy was going on so I folded.

After the hand he tells me that he usually plays with $20 chips so he thought my bet was 260 and that by putting in two blacks and 3 $10 chips (which he thought were 20's) that he was making a call. If he meant to just call then my hand was most likely good, and judging by the conversation after I'm as close to 100% sure that I can be without knowing his cards (he never actually said what he had) that my hand was good.

I had no way of knowing this because he made no reaction whatsoever, whereas in this situation people usually say something like "oh no I was just calling" or at least react in some way. He didn't seem surprised at all so I thought it was way more likely he meant to raise but calculated wrong and didn't put enough in than he mean to call and put too much in.

Anyways just a weird situation that kinda annoyed me even though it was something I couldn't really control.
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