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Old 11-28-2012, 06:58 PM   #476
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Hey Cush, Except for getting used to bigger pots I don't think you'll find a big difference between the 2/5 and 5/10 games.
I'd have to agree with this except when the circus is in town... then you better bring your A game.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:59 PM   #477
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Cush, shave that thing you've been growing on your face. :P
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:51 AM   #478
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Cush, shave that thing you've been growing on your face. :P
So much hate for the Novembeard lol, it comes off Saturday.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:40 AM   #479
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So I've pretty much gotten crushed the last two days. Yesterday I had a good sized loss but didn't get into any major hands. I just missed a lot and none of my cbets or double barrels were working due to my losing image. Also made a couple good, but 2nd best hands that cost me some. I feel like I probably was cbetting too much for how bad my image was. Spots that were normally good became bad. Overall though I was alright with the session. I might be being results oriented, but there were a few times I did flop well and would cbet and get as many as 3 opponents to ditch the flop, whereas when I missed I was getting called or raised left and right. Again, might just be selective memory, but I didn't get more than 1 street of value on anything and my cbet and barreling success rate was horrible.

Today I played much better in some similar cbet spots but got crushed in big pots. Lost one right away with TT when a guy played QQ really slow and got my stack when I flopped an overpair. He just called a loose initial raiser, flat called when I 3 bet, flat called my flop bet on a wet board (wet boards are boards with lots of draws on them, and therefore people with made hands tend to bet or raise to "protect their hand" and charge draws), and called my turn shove. I lost a bit more from there due to some more failed cbets.

Got a table change because of a spot I saw, and pretty quickly won a nice pot stacking a short stack. When the money went in I was behind and against probably the worst possible hand he could have because it blocked a bunch of my outs, but I'm still happy with how I played the hand and think calling the shove is profitable. In my last hand of the day I got into a big pot with the spot I table changed for. We got it in on a flop of 983, my QQ against his A7. Turn: J. River: 4. I didn't have enough left in my daily stoploss to buy in full so I left as I didn't really want to sit short.

I'm a little frustrated, not so much because I'm running bad, but because in game I'm unsure about a lot of spots and my mind/reads have been less clear. I'm thinking my confidence is just a bit shaken so I'm not that worried as thats happened before and it doesn't usually last long. I was already planning on taking Saturday off (last week of College Football until bowl season) and now I'm thinking of taking tomorrow off from playing to review some hands, do some studying, and just get my mind re-calibrated. I've also been thinking way too much about how close I am to 5/10. Going into a session with the mindset of "ok I have to win $x and then I can move up" is just ****ing horrible. So that, on top of the fact that I'm not close enough anymore that I could conceivably win it in one session, means that I'm not gonna think about it anymore. Just gonna play the best I can and when I get there, I get there. In all likelihood that will be some time late Dec/early Jan, which is when I thought it would happen before I went on my win streak earlier this month.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:17 PM   #480
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I see a couple of things when I read your hands taylor, but I don't really want to spew it out here, but I do think it seems the "5/10 Goal" is plaguing you to much.

I wouldn't think of it so much in term of reaching another plateau, I would just start mixing in a few sessions during the week at the B(once or twice a week if you play 5 to six days a week BI @ 800-1200) and your transition will be smooth and seamless and seem less like a Goal and more like a normal weeks work schedule. This way you still have your base income from the BI level where you are more than comfortable as you begin your journey towards higher BI levels. I think the two levels(2/5-5/10) play similarly except at 5/10 there is much less if any soft spots on the table and your ROR is more substantial. One thing that might effect you is that you begin to play with players where the BI is much more insignificant to them and therefore the gambling type play can at times wreck havoc on your stack as these players will not react in predictable norm's. this is where ones BR really becomes a weapon even though that BR is not in play.

Keep detailed mental notes of the play differences between the levels.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:13 PM   #481
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I see a couple of things when I read your hands taylor, but I don't really want to spew it out here, but I do think it seems the "5/10 Goal" is plaguing you to much.

I wouldn't think of it so much in term of reaching another plateau, I would just start mixing in a few sessions during the week at the B(once or twice a week if you play 5 to six days a week BI @ 800-1200) and your transition will be smooth and seamless and seem less like a Goal and more like a normal weeks work schedule. This way you still have your base income from the BI level where you are more than comfortable as you begin your journey towards higher BI levels. I think the two levels(2/5-5/10) play similarly except at 5/10 there is much less if any soft spots on the table and your ROR is more substantial. One thing that might effect you is that you begin to play with players where the BI is much more insignificant to them and therefore the gambling type play can at times wreck havoc on your stack as these players will not react in predictable norm's. this is where ones BR really becomes a weapon even though that BR is not in play.

Keep detailed mental notes of the play differences between the levels.
Thanks MSchu, thats more or less what I have discovered with having this goal. If variance needs to cooperate in order to reach a goal, its probably not a good idea to have that goal. Its really counter-intuitive to everything we've all been taught about goal making, but in poker the best goals are those that are somewhat vague and can't be measured, such as "make good decisions today", or "learn something every session". I've known for a while that goals involving making a certain amount or playing a certain amount of hours are bad, but I didn't realize that my anticipation for 5/10 was causing me to essentially make a monetary based goal.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:30 AM   #482
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So I was feeling pretty good today so I played a session, and I'm really happy I did. I didn't make much, but I am really happy with how I played. Not saying I played perfectly, but I was thinking much more clearly and was much more focused. I was up pretty decent at one point but a couple hands near the end of my session ate away most of it. In the main one I value-owned myself hard with top two pair against bottom set and was really happy with my play despite running into a better hand.

I think not worrying about when I will be able to move up helped and hopefully I can keep those thoughts out as I get closer again. Pretty exited to continue grinding now that I got my confidence back. Still taking tomorrow off for football. Go Badgers!
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Old 12-03-2012, 12:36 AM   #483
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Re: cushlash in Vegas; TLDR

I live in Vegas and play some 1-2 and 2-5. I don't see a ton of 5-10 games in total. Maybe one here and there at the bigger Casinos, but somewhat limited to mainly weekends. How many hours do you think you will be able to play a week in the 5-10 games? Just curious. I would love to play 5-10 full-time too, but see many more 2-5 games available thoughout the week.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:27 AM   #484
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I live in Vegas and play some 1-2 and 2-5. I don't see a ton of 5-10 games in total. Maybe one here and there at the bigger Casinos, but somewhat limited to mainly weekends. How many hours do you think you will be able to play a week in the 5-10 games? Just curious. I would love to play 5-10 full-time too, but see many more 2-5 games available thoughout the week.
You must not go to the main card rooms often (Aria/Bellagio/Venetian/Wynn) because there is plenty of 5/10 action to play full time. There is at least 1 5/10 going at all times at Bellagio, usually 2-3 or more during peak times. Wynn and Venetian get usually no more than 1, but its not all the time. Aria has at least 1 pretty consistently, and often 2.

There aren't as many 5/10's as 2/5's but there is 5/10 going 24/7 at at least one of the above rooms.
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Old 12-03-2012, 03:47 AM   #485
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You must not go to the main card rooms often (Aria/Bellagio/Venetian/Wynn) because there is plenty of 5/10 action to play full time. There is at least 1 5/10 going at all times at Bellagio, usually 2-3 or more during peak times. Wynn and Venetian get usually no more than 1, but its not all the time. Aria has at least 1 pretty consistently, and often 2.

There aren't as many 5/10's as 2/5's but there is 5/10 going 24/7 at at least one of the above rooms.
On a side note.... sometimes I wish there was a game that's in between 2-5 and 5-10.....

Like I wish a casino would spread say 3-8 NLHE (using $3 chips).... it would be like a good middle ground between 2-5 and 5-10.

Maybe a 1-3 casino should do that as their next step? Since 2-5 = 2.5x of 1-2....then 2.5x of 1-3 is basically 3-8?

You would attract an unique crowd.... and provide a different choice than the low cap Bellagio 5-10 for people who want to move up from 2-5 but don't want to play as big yet.

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Old 12-03-2012, 03:54 AM   #486
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3/8 sounds like our home game Haha... 1/2 nl with a straddle and double straddle which actually we play it as 4/8 no limit..
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:11 AM   #487
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the bellagio game fills that need wil, it really is a middle ground 5/10 with it's limited BI structure. it's quite honestly not much different than a big 2/5 game except there are much less soft spots.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:23 PM   #488
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Yea I see what you're saying Starberry, but at least in Vegas I don't think its necessary. Other than Bellagio, 2/5 in Vegas is capped at 1K (1500 at Wynn). Then with the low cap 5/10 at Bellagio and higher cap/uncapped games at other casinos, you have a nice mix. The natural progression imo is 1/2>1/3>Bellagio capped 2/5>Deeper 2/5's>Bellagio capped 5/10>Deeper 5/10's. So Vegas basically has a 3/8 game just by adjusting buy-in structures at different casinos.

In a smaller market with just 1 or 2 casinos I could see putting a different blind game in the middle since at a lot of places it goes 2/5 500 cap all the way to 5/10 uncapped and having two games of the same stakes with different buy-in structures at the same casino will rarely work out (unless you are commerce).
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Yea I see what you're saying Starberry, but at least in Vegas I don't think its necessary. Other than Bellagio, 2/5 in Vegas is capped at 1K (1500 at Wynn). Then with the low cap 5/10 at Bellagio and higher cap/uncapped games at other casinos, you have a nice mix. The natural progression imo is 1/2>1/3>Bellagio capped 2/5>Deeper 2/5's>Bellagio capped 5/10>Deeper 5/10's. So Vegas basically has a 3/8 game just by adjusting buy-in structures at different casinos.

In a smaller market with just 1 or 2 casinos I could see putting a different blind game in the middle since at a lot of places it goes 2/5 500 cap all the way to 5/10 uncapped and having two games of the same stakes with different buy-in structures at the same casino will rarely work out (unless you are commerce).
I just want some random casino to spread the game and have people super confused about how much to raise in multiples of 8......
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:44 PM   #490
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people I play with are confused with multiples of one
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:16 AM   #491
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Hey guys, got a cool update today. Poker-wise I've had a couple pretty good sessions. Yesterday I booked a nice win playing pretty solid. No major interesting hands of note since I pretty much just played tight and took down mostly small pots and a few bigger ones. I had definitely been cbetting too much lately and opening too many hands from early position, so I was happy that I stayed disciplined and reeled it back in. There was a big fish at my table but unfortunately I was out of position to him and the table was otherwise not that great. I had already put in a full day and was tired so I decided to rack up, especially since the fish is a semi regular so he'll be around.

Today was a pretty big win also. Started off getting AA against what my opponent says was KK on a 642 flop. A bit later I turned a set of tens against my opponents flopped two pair of 72 on a 752 flop. The river completed the flush and she bet into me after bet/calling the turn. I went all-in and she called. Now this is a raise a lot of people don't make because "GOMG the flush got there I can't raise", but I know she isn't bet/calling the turn with a flush draw because she was a passive player that wouldn't play draws aggressively, so the flush hitting is really irrelevant.

After that I lost a pot when my TPGK got rivered by an open-ended straight draw, all in on the turn. Lost one other pot before getting a bit back at the end and booking a solid win.

I also met some people and had some nice convo at the table. Although I was a bit distracted from it, I was happy with it because it was worth having to basically play ABC for a while and chat. First off I met a guy who I would find out about halfway through is another poster in here, amusedlol. It was pretty interesting because he asked if I was on 2+2 and when I told him my SN he knew who I was because of this thread, so that was cool. Had fun talking with him about some poker and 2+2 related stuff.

Another guy I met was an accountant in for a convention who pretty much knew I was a professional. This seems to happen a lot and its hard to avoid because what am I supposed to say when some dude on vacation has seen me there from 2ish to 12ish on 3 weekdays in a row or something like that. Anyways he seemed really interested in it and had a few questions which for some reason I was in the mood to answer, as I really don't like to talk about how I'm a professional poker player while trying to take other peoples money. He also talked about how some of the most successful people he knows took time of after school to pursue other things not having to do with their careers, and the gap didn't hurt them at all. Though its not in my Plan A, it was nice to hear that having a short gap right out of college isn't a death sentence if I choose to get a "real" job.

Lastly I met a guy who played college football at Iowa from 99-02 and played for the Jets for a few years. He knew a few former Wisconsin players that I was familiar with so it was cool to reminisce about some Big Ten football from a decade ago. He was also pretty interested in my poker thing and asked me some questions about it as well.

All 3 of these guys were at the table at the same time and we were all close so there was lots of crossing of conversations. It wasn't just me taking to each individually. It was really nice to have this type of dynamic, and this is really what caused me to share more than I usually would about what I'm doing in Vegas because I felt like I was getting a lot out of the conversation so I didn't want to lie or hold back like I normally do when asked if I'm a professional. At that point they knew I was playing full time so I just said **** it. It was also a breath of fresh air because so often at the poker table you're dealing with moron degenerates or people who can barely speak english so having a little good conversation was refreshing. That being said, I wouldn't want it to happen every session because it means you have to just play tight ABC poker because its harder to gather reads and pay 100% attention. This was an exception though, and I was more than happy to do just that in this situation. I was also pretty happy with how I played during this part of the session, as I didn't get myself into any sticky spots, since I knew if I did I wouldn't have any reads to go off. This was a conscious decision inspired in part by the first part this article I read a day or two ago. http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/i...oker-notes.php

So all in all a great session, mostly for reasons off the felt. Booking a win was just a bonus.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:37 PM   #492
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Look good, feel good, play good. Positive attitude and good energy is so underrated, plus even though your saying your a pro I'de imagine you weren't all badass I'm better then you fish about it, which I think might add to the "recreationalness" of the game. Probably better (in certain scenarios, like this one) then making up some job

Will skype you tomorrow, been busy with RL and not really doing much poker stuff lately.

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Look good, feel good, play good. Positive attitude and good energy is so underrated, plus even though your saying your a pro I'de imagine you weren't all badass I'm better then you fish about it, which I think might add to the "recreationalness" of the game. Probably better (in certain scenarios, like this one) then making up some job

Will skype you tomorrow, been busy with RL and not really doing much poker stuff lately.

good update
Yea I don't think I even used the word professional. I pretty much said I just graduated college and was taking a shot which I doubt any of them were intimidated by. Before this conversation there was another guy that asked what I did and I said "not much" and he was like "oh so you just play cards? That makes me kinda scared of you". Since I had a big stack and didn't want him to be intimidated I made a point to say that wasn't really a reason to be scared, as I was just getting lucky and everyone else would be up just as much given my cards.

Sounds good, I've got some more from the last few days, we'll talk tomorrow.
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I struggle with what to say sometimes as well in these situations and I think you made the right choice. Unlike you I don't play full time but it can be farely easy to pick up locals through normal conversation. There is plenty of opportunities to make money and chances are you will never meet the people who are at the table again anyways. Being social can make the grind more enjoyable than throwing on a pair of headphones.
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Hey cushlash, it was nice meeting you last night. It was refreshing to see that you're not a hoodie/headphone/ipad type of professional grinder. The conversation we had was very much appreciated. You can imagine why.

Best of luck to you--don't hurry what is going to happen anyway.

P.S.: Find out more about that blonde! Yikes! (for those of you wondering, i think she looked kinda like a younger, shorter, curvier heather graham. and another actress i can't name)
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Yea I don't think I even used the word professional. I pretty much said I just graduated college and was taking a shot which I doubt any of them were intimidated by. Before this conversation there was another guy that asked what I did and I said "not much" and he was like "oh so you just play cards? That makes me kinda scared of you". Since I had a big stack and didn't want him to be intimidated I made a point to say that wasn't really a reason to be scared, as I was just getting lucky and everyone else would be up just as much given my cards.

Sounds good, I've got some more from the last few days, we'll talk tomorrow.
Next step. Being able to pretend to be engaged in chit-chat while secretly paying attention to hands.
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Hey cushlash, it was nice meeting you last night. It was refreshing to see that you're not a hoodie/headphone/ipad type of professional grinder. The conversation we had was very much appreciated. You can imagine why.

Best of luck to you--don't hurry what is going to happen anyway.

P.S.: Find out more about that blonde! Yikes! (for those of you wondering, i think she looked kinda like a younger, shorter, curvier heather graham. and another actress i can't name)
Thanks man, good to meet you too. She musta followed you back to Cali because I didn't see her today, one and done it seems haha
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:15 AM   #498
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When the tourists ask you what you do tell them you hooked up with a rich, older woman that subsidizes your card playing in return for massaging her bunions.
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Btw, meeting set for 22n lunch at Caesar's buffet, hope you can make it!

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Btw, meeting set for 22n lunch at Caesar's buffet, hope you can make it!

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Yea I saw that, should be able to, flight home is the 23rd so just in time.
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