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Old Today, 07:48 PM   #1826
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I forgot to question "... running a business is a privilege, not a right."

Obviously, the poster who feels that way doesn't much think "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is a thing.
It's certainly a thing, it's a thing in the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land, the Constitution (or what is left of it) supposedly is.

Neither of those documents should replace common sense and likely weren't written with the current pandemic in mind.

I believe life and liberty are protected in the Constitution, the pursuit of happiness is not. Either way it doesn't change the face that running a business in this country is a privilege, with that privilege comes a certain amount of responsibility to the public you serve, either written or implied.
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Old Today, 07:50 PM   #1827
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I forgot to question "... running a business is a privilege, not a right."

Obviously, the poster who feels that way doesn't much think "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is a thing.

Too bad that has become public policy - and not recently either.

There is a substantial difference between the two concepts of implementing sound public health decisions and starting with "running a business is a privilege".

I am glad to be most likely too old to see the logical end-game of that.
In the context of gaming businesses in Nevada, the law is clear .... holding a gaming license and running a casino is a privilege, not a right. Since the topic I posted on were operations of gaming under a Nevada license, the public policy has been unchanged since I started practicing gaming law here about 25 years ago.

(Not to pick nits, but "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is from the Declaration of Independence, not a law. Having a "right" to pursue happiness does not give one a right to impose external costs on other people. I doubt that an unalienable right to "not ear a mask" would hold up very well on scrutiny versus the legal right of States or the federal government to require masks, social distancing, and self-quarantine in public health emergencies

The federal government began supporting State quarantine efforts as far back as 1799: [U]Soon after creating the Marine Hospital Service, Congress tasked the Treasury with the duty to observe and assist in the quarantine laws of the states. On February 25, 1799, "An Act Respecting Quarantine and Health Laws" replaced the Act of May 1796, reflecting a more developed notion of what was involved in creating a federal quarantine institutio[/U]n.[23] The statute retained the model of federal agency as assistant to state authorities, directing United States officers to observe state quarantine and health laws, and authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to assist states in their efforts to enforce those laws.[24] "

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/h...tml?sequence=4

But, don't let history or facts stand in one's way, certainly not in an argument among denizens back inside Plato's Cave.

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Old Today, 07:59 PM   #1828
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Most don't have an IQ to control. They wake up and think the following:

"Grog have small penis"
"Grog need gun to feel like a man"
"Grog need big truck to feel like a man"
"Grog have no money because Grog too lazy to work"

Sadly, these mouth breathers make up the majority in our country and you get what you get.

Honestly, how do you explain all the backlash against wearing a ****ing mask? It's proven to stop the spread of a virus, but these knuckle draggers can't do it, WTF?

Look no further than Texas for proof of exactly what is happening. They called it a hoax because, MERICA and were among the last to shut down anything. Look at the cases in Texas now. Do you honestly think that couldn't have been slowed with some (any) precautions?

You can't educate them, and you can't outnumber them. We are doomed.
Is "Grog" slang for Donald Trump? ;-)
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Old Today, 08:03 PM   #1829
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I kinda feel like the inconvenience of wearing a mask to stop people from being sick, stop people from dying, getting people back to work, stimulating the economy and allowing people from other countries to come here and spend money is pretty much a very small price to pay. Like, a REALLY small price to pay.

Although, I don't want to be labeled as a sheep, so I'll opt for death and poverty over wearing a mask. I'll be dead and broke, but MERICA!!!!!
Paragraph 1 is how everybody else outside the States feels and acts.

Which is why paragraph 2 looks so -EV to so many.
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Old Today, 08:14 PM   #1830
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Is "Grog" slang for Donald Trump? ;-)
It probably identifies those that voted for him more, but it's irrelevant.

The current situation really should show the American citizen how screwed up our system is. It doesn't matter who sits in that office and it really hasn't for quite some time.

Our gov't can't even decide if the POTUS has the power to DO anything when it comes to the pandemic. The States will argue they have the power inside their own borders and then the cities and counties argue they further have power inside their individual borders.

We would be much better off if someone, ANYONE, would step up and take charge and actually do a damn thing on a larger scale.
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Old Today, 08:30 PM   #1831
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It probably identifies those that voted for him more, but it's irrelevant.

The current situation really should show the American citizen how screwed up our system is. It doesn't matter who sits in that office and it really hasn't for quite some time.

Our gov't can't even decide if the POTUS has the power to DO anything when it comes to the pandemic. The States will argue they have the power inside their own borders and then the cities and counties argue they further have power inside their individual borders.

We would be much better off if someone, ANYONE, would step up and take charge and actually do a damn thing on a larger scale.

You have Governors overriding Mayors saying you donít need to follow their directives. You have a President telling the people you donít need to follow the Governors. And the President and VP do whatever they feel like that day.

Worst strategy possible to fight a pandemic. Other countries have done it by following a roadmap. We seemingly just want to carry this out for years and damage our economy and health.
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Old Today, 08:45 PM   #1832
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It probably identifies those that voted for him more, but it's irrelevant.

The current situation really should show the American citizen how screwed up our system is. It doesn't matter who sits in that office and it really hasn't for quite some time.

Our gov't can't even decide if the POTUS has the power to DO anything when it comes to the pandemic.
The States will argue they have the power inside their own borders and then the cities and counties argue they further have power inside their individual borders.

We would be much better off if someone, ANYONE, would step up and take charge and actually do a damn thing on a larger scale.
Not really. The federal government power to assist States in dealing with public health crises is clear, very clear.

As far back as 1799, the federal government was authorized by statute to assist States with public health quarantines, et cetera.

I just gave you a 1799 statutory starting pointin a post above, now see if you can self-educate as to how wrong "hand-wringing" that the government can't decide" really is.

or, just vote for an actual candidate of your choice you feel is "willing to step up and take charge" to put it in your terms ?
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Old Today, 08:56 PM   #1833
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I really didn't think to be challenged on the well-known damage of covid to survivors. Please try to be more flexible with your beliefs and learn. Understanding of this virus is still new so details are changing.
And yet you still have not provided substantiation for YOUR claim. How are we to learn if you choose to support your well known claims! If they are so well known why would the details be changing?
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Old Today, 08:59 PM   #1834
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You have Governors overriding Mayors saying you donít need to follow their directives. You have a President telling the people you donít need to follow the Governors. And the President and VP do whatever they feel like that day.

Worst strategy possible to fight a pandemic. Other countries have done it by following a roadmap. We seemingly just want to carry this out for years and damage our economy and health.
I guess the question is how much, percentage-wise, is this Trump's fault? Like, in an alternate universe where Hillary wins, are we still the s**t show of the world? It's hard to say. Americans are fat, stupid, and don't like rules. My home state of NJ for example has a good governor, who is moving slowly, requiring masks in public... but the beaches were packed down the shore this weekend with hardly a mask to be found. Gavin Newsom was widely praised for his proactive lockdown but now CA is being hit hard anyway.

Trump certainly didn't help but the failures go beyond him. Lack of preparation for a pandemic goes back decades. Lack of PPE stockpiles. An obese country that has much higher rates of chronic health problems. Extreme income inequality and no social safety net forces at risk people to keep working.

There's lots of reasons USA#1 in COVID. Trump is an easy target because he's a hateful buffoon, but we are kidding ourselves if we don't think our problems go far deeper than his leadership.
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This is all part of Trump's master plan. To get Mexico to PAY FOR THAT WALL!

Seriously, at this rate they'll be building a wall to keep us out.
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Old Today, 09:13 PM   #1836
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I guess the question is how much, percentage-wise, is this Trump's fault? Like, in an alternate universe where Hillary wins, are we still the s**t show of the world? It's hard to say. Americans are fat, stupid, and don't like rules. My home state of NJ for example has a good governor, who is moving slowly, requiring masks in public... but the beaches were packed down the shore this weekend with hardly a mask to be found. Gavin Newsom was widely praised for his proactive lockdown but now CA is being hit hard anyway.

Trump certainly didn't help but the failures go beyond him. Lack of preparation for a pandemic goes back decades. Lack of PPE stockpiles. An obese country that has much higher rates of chronic health problems. Extreme income inequality and no social safety net forces at risk people to keep working.

There's lots of reasons USA#1 in COVID. Trump is an easy target because he's a hateful buffoon, but we are kidding ourselves if we don't think our problems go far deeper than his leadership.

This was going to crush us no matter what. Our culture is the wrong type to defeat a pandemic. It requires everyone being on the same page and following orders and complying.

We are far too individualist and independent. Asian culture is the best. It works. We see the winning model right in front of us yet there is no chance we can duplicate it for hundreds of different reasons.
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Old Today, 09:15 PM   #1837
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And yet you still have not provided substantiation for YOUR claim. How are we to learn if you choose to support your well known claims! If they are so well known why would the details be changing?
I am not a Richard Quest fan at all, actually, can't stand his on-screen self-aggrandizing schtick .... Still, I don't think his recent account was BS, but perhaps you think he is lying about the continuing effects of Covid 19 infection on him personally:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...cts-nr-vpx.cnn

The guy was telling the truth, however ancedotal, I would bet on it.

You want a more general support, look it up, or just play the "denier" card.

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Old Today, 09:17 PM   #1838
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There's lots of reasons USA#1 in COVID. Trump is an easy target because he's a hateful buffoon, but we are kidding ourselves if we don't think our problems go far deeper than his leadership.
You can't let him off the hook. He could've closed the borders immediately, recommended lockdowns, and issued a clear central directive advising people to mask up and take the virus seriously. Instead he sat on his tiny hands and pretended nothing was wrong. Go read his tweets from February-March. Absolute comedy. Denial, denial, denial.

This is part of the problem with having a "leader" who views everything through the lens of how it affects his image and is pathologically incapable of admitting weakness or personal fault. The narrative is always "Nothing's wrong. Everything is great. We're winning. Fake news. I have a lovely head of natural hair."

A competent adult in the POTUS role could've prevented a lot of suffering.
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Old Today, 09:27 PM   #1839
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You can't let him off the hook. He could've closed the borders immediately, recommended lockdowns, and issued a clear central directive advising people to mask up and take the virus seriously. Instead he sat on his tiny hands and pretended nothing was wrong. Go read his tweets from February-March. Absolute comedy. Denial, denial, denial.

This is part of the problem with having a "leader" who views everything through the lens of how it affects his image and is pathologically incapable of admitting weakness or personal fault. The narrative is always "Nothing's wrong. Everything is great. We're winning. Fake news. I have a lovely head of natural hair."

A competent adult in the POTUS role could've prevented a lot of suffering.
Absolutely.

I was flying back to the US from Panama around March 8. I took one look at the s**t show I was going to enter, and stocked up on masks at the Panama airport, having bought hand sanitizer before leaving and came home.
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