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07-11-2020 , 11:13 AM
Hospitalizations according to the CDC website. Maybe not "steady" for 75+, but overall it is definitely flattening and certainly for under 75.

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07-11-2020 , 11:14 AM
With people flying in from all over the country for a few days at a time and then leaving, its hard to say for Las Vegas. Also the number being thrown out is that there are likely 10 times the number of cases than reported.
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07-11-2020 , 02:08 PM
The most annoying thing to me is every tourist, literally every tourist hopping on a potentially crowded plane to come to Las Vegas right now is guaranteed to be exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be allowed out of their home in this pandemic.
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07-11-2020 , 02:12 PM
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The most annoying thing to me is every tourist, literally every tourist hopping on a potentially crowded plane to come to Las Vegas right now is guaranteed to be exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be allowed out of their home in this pandemic.
Watch out , Donald is planning a big rally !
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07-11-2020 , 08:47 PM
Death or absolutely nothing happening to you is hardly the case.

Plenty of survivors with permanent lung damage. This is across all age groups. Also, being an infector to loved ones is also not nothing.
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07-11-2020 , 09:18 PM
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Death or absolutely nothing happening to you is hardly the case.

Plenty of survivors with permanent lung damage. This is across all age groups. Also, being an infector to loved ones is also not nothing.
Please show facts and statistics on this from a reputable source(s) to validate this argument.

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07-11-2020 , 09:39 PM
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Please show facts and statistics on this from a reputable source(s) to validate this argument.

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First three links on google search: "long term damage nih covid-19"

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/news/2020/...fects-covid-19

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7182030/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7271826/

Please show facts and statistics on this not being the case from a reputable source (e.g. not fox news) to validate your lackadaisical stance.

It does not take a genius to realize what the COVID-19 infection does to the lungs and why it cuts off oxygen flow. It causes internal bleeding within the lungs, and the survivors end up with fibrosis of the lungs. There are plenty of medical doctors posting their findings.
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07-11-2020 , 09:57 PM
I really didn't think to be challenged on the well-known damage of covid to survivors. Please try to be more flexible with your beliefs and learn. Understanding of this virus is still new so details are changing.
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07-12-2020 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by punkass
I really didn't think to be challenged on the well-known damage of covid to survivors. Please try to be more flexible with your beliefs and learn. Understanding of this virus is still new so details are changing.
It wasn't a challenge, but a legitimate request to find any factual evidence or statistics to bad your claim. I'm not even saying it is false. Trust that I am very flexible with my beliefs and learn. I follow no political party whatsoever and I am also an educator. I am completely open to facts and statistics, but will obviously form my opinion from there - as I did with the cited CDC facts.

If the CDC came out with data that said "50% (not sure what number is too severe, but 50 would do it) off Covid patients never fully recover and have long term, long lasting, negative effects... then that would change my mind completely, but that isn't something I've seen anywhere. Which led to my question... unfortunately the answer came with 2 false labels.

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07-12-2020 , 04:08 PM
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What groups are you dividing people into here? From context, seems like "mask wearers" and "people who think forced mask wearing is an assault on freedom"

if those are your divisions, doing what 1 group wants, and calling the other group wrong - that stance only satisfies 1 group, not both.
This is really twisted logic.

Wearing a mask isn’t that big of a deal. Yes it seems like making masks mandatory is a restriction in freedom but not that much and certainly isn’t an assault. Also, maybe I have it wrong and it might help to limit the spread of the virus. I am pretty wishy washy about the whole thing at the end of the day so iI just follow the rules.

How many people think like that? I am guessing a lot of people.
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07-12-2020 , 04:31 PM
CoVid spread among on the job casino employees, including front lines, such as dealers and cashiers.

Despite positive tests, some casinos DO NOT require periodic employee testing, keep untested employees in front line jobs and do not routinely notify co-workers if someone does test positive

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...iness%20Update

Instead, how about a 14 day re-assignment or 14 day sick leave/lay-off upon testing positive ?

"So far, just four cases have been made public by Caesars: two at the Flamingo, one at The Linq Hotel, and one at Caesars Palace. The latter resulted in the June 24 death of Adolfo Fernandez, a 51-year-old utility porter."

MGM comes closer to a responsible policy, but falls short re voluntary testing and re asymptomatic employees

"MGM employees are also offered free testing, and they are required to get tested if they exhibit symptoms. Employees who test positive are given two weeks of paid time off."

Sorry, testing should be mandatory, and as 40% of infected people show no symptoms per CDC, that two weeks should go for mandatory periodic testing and then given to anyone who tests positive.

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07-12-2020 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
CoVid spread among on the job casino employees, including front lines, such as dealers and cashiers.

Despite positive tests, some casinos DO NOT require periodic employee testing, keep untested employees in front line jobs and do not routinely notify co-workers if someone does test positive

https://www.reviewjournal.com/busine...iness%20Update

Instead, how about a 14 day re-assignment or 14 day sick leave/lay-off upon testing positive ?

"So far, just four cases have been made public by Caesars: two at the Flamingo, one at The Linq Hotel, and one at Caesars Palace. The latter resulted in the June 24 death of Adolfo Fernandez, a 51-year-old utility porter."

MGM comes closer to a responsible policy, but falls short re voluntary testing and re asymptomatic employees

"MGM employees are also offered free testing, and they are required to get tested if they exhibit symptoms. Employees who test positive are given two weeks of paid time off."

Sorry, testing should be mandatory, and as 40% of infected people show no symptoms per CDC, that two weeks should go for mandatory periodic testing and then given to anyone who tests positive.
Correct! Running a business in this country is a privilege, not a right. Running it in the manner they are puts the public at risk (argue all you want about the public opting to patronize the business, I don't care).

Testing should be mandatory if you serve the public.
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07-12-2020 , 07:18 PM
Pens fan is nailing it in here right now.

And if folks can’t get their act together, then you can write off the 4-5M folks who travel from outside the states every year because they ain’t coming.

I honestly thought casino owners/operators would have been the most vocal of all telling people to get their **** together. People going through their doors means people going through lots of other doors locally too.
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07-12-2020 , 07:28 PM
I forgot to question "... running a business is a privilege, not a right."

Obviously, the poster who feels that way doesn't much think "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is a thing.

Too bad that has become public policy - and not recently either.

There is a substantial difference between the two concepts of implementing sound public health decisions and starting with "running a business is a privilege".

I am glad to be most likely too old to see the logical end-game of that.
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07-12-2020 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
I forgot to question "... running a business is a privilege, not a right."

Obviously, the poster who feels that way doesn't much think "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is a thing.

Too bad that has become public policy - and not recently either.

There is a substantial difference between the two concepts of implementing sound public health decisions and starting with "running a business is a privilege".

I am glad to be most likely too old to see the logical end-game of that.
In the context of gaming businesses in Nevada, the law is clear .... holding a gaming license and running a casino is a privilege, not a right. Since the topic I posted on were operations of gaming under a Nevada license, the public policy has been unchanged since I started practicing gaming law here about 25 years ago.

(Not to pick nits, but "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is from the Declaration of Independence, not a law. Having a "right" to pursue happiness does not give one a right to impose external costs on other people. I doubt that an unalienable right to "not ear a mask" would hold up very well on scrutiny versus the legal right of States or the federal government to require masks, social distancing, and self-quarantine in public health emergencies

The federal government began supporting State quarantine efforts as far back as 1799: [U]Soon after creating the Marine Hospital Service, Congress tasked the Treasury with the duty to observe and assist in the quarantine laws of the states. On February 25, 1799, "An Act Respecting Quarantine and Health Laws" replaced the Act of May 1796, reflecting a more developed notion of what was involved in creating a federal quarantine institutio[/U]n.[23] The statute retained the model of federal agency as assistant to state authorities, directing United States officers to observe state quarantine and health laws, and authorizing the Secretary of the Treasury to assist states in their efforts to enforce those laws.[24] "

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/h...tml?sequence=4

But, don't let history or facts stand in one's way, certainly not in an argument among denizens back inside Plato's Cave.

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07-12-2020 , 08:03 PM
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I kinda feel like the inconvenience of wearing a mask to stop people from being sick, stop people from dying, getting people back to work, stimulating the economy and allowing people from other countries to come here and spend money is pretty much a very small price to pay. Like, a REALLY small price to pay.

Although, I don't want to be labeled as a sheep, so I'll opt for death and poverty over wearing a mask. I'll be dead and broke, but MERICA!!!!!
Paragraph 1 is how everybody else outside the States feels and acts.

Which is why paragraph 2 looks so -EV to so many.
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07-12-2020 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by punkass
I really didn't think to be challenged on the well-known damage of covid to survivors. Please try to be more flexible with your beliefs and learn. Understanding of this virus is still new so details are changing.
And yet you still have not provided substantiation for YOUR claim. How are we to learn if you choose to support your well known claims! If they are so well known why would the details be changing?
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07-13-2020 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
REMINDER THAT THIS THREAD IS ONLY TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT OF COVID-19 TO VEGAS AND LOCAL BUSINESS. TAKE ALL THE OTHER CHAT TO THE VARIOUS OTHER COVID THREADS OR FACE SOME TIME OFF.

Thanks.
A bunch of folks are enjoying a couple days off after I attempted to clean up a massive politard derail to this thread.
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07-13-2020 , 10:58 PM
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This looks pretty cool.

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07-15-2020 , 09:23 PM
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Pens fan is nailing it in here right now.

And if folks can’t get their act together, then you can write off the 4-5M folks who travel from outside the states every year because they ain’t coming.

I honestly thought casino owners/operators would have been the most vocal of all telling people to get their **** together. People going through their doors means people going through lots of other doors locally too.
Canada announces border closed another month and CDN's polled want it closed longer. Sadly nobody is coming from outside the USA and my guess is for a while
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07-15-2020 , 11:00 PM
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Sadly nobody is coming (to Vegas) from outside the USA and my guess is for a while
Tho losses for Casinos in Vegas must be staggering.

The real estate market has to collapse.
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07-15-2020 , 11:09 PM
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Tho losses for Casinos in Vegas must be staggering.

The real estate market has to collapse.
renting market is insane. i have a tenant who is leaving at the end of the month and someone rented it, sight unseen, for 40% increase.

new tenant is coming from california lol
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07-16-2020 , 09:28 AM
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renting market is insane. i have a tenant who is leaving at the end of the month and someone rented it, sight unseen, for 40% increase.

new tenant is coming from california lol
I just got a retroactive ~5.7% reduction in my rent (to my previous lease amount). I'll even be reimbursed for my "overpayment" of the last four months.
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07-16-2020 , 12:48 PM
henderson? if yes, got an awesome deal

california is moving here, bringing their coronavirus, and high taxes to build useless things like schools
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07-16-2020 , 01:10 PM
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henderson? if yes, got an awesome deal

california is moving here, bringing their coronavirus, and high taxes to build useless things like schools
My favorite off-strip signage is in a local business here in Henderson:

"We appreciate your business, but we don't care how they did it wherever the f**k you used to live."
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