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05-30-2020 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Are they permitted to operate a casino without an associated hotel?
Don't know but O'Sheas never had a hotel, Plaza and Binion's don't operate a hotel last I saw.
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05-30-2020 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
2 big protests on the strip right now. BLM and culinary against re opening casinos. Good thing strip not open yet.
BLM? What's the Bureau of Land Management protesting?
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05-30-2020 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
Random thought. If a restaurant was totally shut down for the last three months, I'm going to avoid it for at least a week or two after reopening.

No assurance that they aren't using up food that has been in the freezer for the last three months or if they are running on all fresh inventory. Why chance it?
The good news is the rats were starved out.

Spoiler:
cockroaches survived
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05-30-2020 , 04:33 AM
How many drunk people are going to smash their faces into the plexiglass?

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05-30-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Are they permitted to operate a casino without an associated hotel?
Binion's did for years before the shutdown.

There was a thread in 2+2 discussing that "there has to be an associated hotel but nothing says you have to let people rent the rooms" essentially.

And you couldn't rent a room, the hotel was not open.

Gzesh would know the entire story.
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05-30-2020 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
Binion's did for years before the shutdown.

There was a thread in 2+2 discussing that "there has to be an associated hotel but nothing says you have to let people rent the rooms" essentially.

And you couldn't rent a room, the hotel was not open.

Gzesh would know the entire story.
Interesting...I always just assumed the regulations were different for Las Vegas proper compared to the Strip. There have often been many tiny casinos downtown with no hotel (like Mermaids or Le Bayou), while even something like Casino Royale on the Strip has a Best Western attached.
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05-30-2020 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Interesting...I always just assumed the regulations were different for Las Vegas proper compared to the Strip. There have often been many tiny casinos downtown with no hotel (like Mermaids or Le Bayou), while even something like Casino Royale on the Strip has a Best Western attached.
A few properties in Nevada were grandfathered in when the requirement of a hotel (some amenity like a pool, and 24/7 food service) were added for an unlimited license, meaning table games, sports, and machines. I think O'Sheas falls into that category, but am just speculating. Other examples may include Jokers Wild, the Skyline Casino and some downtown Henderson premises.

The best angle-shooting story I recall was that Bob Stupak held an unlimited license for what was then Vegas World; he was not grandfathered in and had a hotel, but lacked the required food service. So, he arranged to place food orders with a Chinese restaurant down the street, and would bring the orders in the back door, plate them and serve them as Vegas World food.

There are also limited license places that can offer video poker and slot machines, like Dottys or convenience stores and bars, and slot route operators that service many of them.

Finally, there is an oddity for sportsbetting, where certain locations can operate betting kiosks or terminals, but cannot accept deposits. Typical of theses are William Hill locations in various sports bars.

Add into the mix that poker can be played and sports can bet bet on online or mobile from anywhere in the State, but mobile real money casino games are limited to on the premises play.

I was a bit surprised that there was no recent push to allow online casino games during the shutdown , given that the technology is available and the operators could use the revenue. Most likely, the V and TI owners were not willing to budge.

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05-30-2020 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
A few properties in Nevada were grandfathered in when the requirement of a hotel (some amenity like a pool, and 24/7 food service) were added for an unlimited license, meaning table games, sports, and machines. I think O'Sheas falls into that category, but am just speculating. Other examples may include Jokers Wild, the Skyline Casino and some downtown Henderson premises.

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They added the requirements (hotel, restaurant, bar ... a pool is not a requirement) in 1992.

Any establishment with an unlimited license before that is exempt.
Vegas World would have been exempt.
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05-30-2020 , 07:53 PM
Vegas World had a hotel from long ago. My dad, notorious cheap bastid, stayed there in the 80's.

Slots-a-fun, cheap foot longs, no hotel. I think Castaways, of legendary sports book fame before sports books were cool, had no hotel.
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05-30-2020 , 07:57 PM
this isn't to contradict, just an update for any that didn't know, but Binions did reopen/rebrand their hotel as Hotel Apache
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05-30-2020 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
They added the requirements (hotel, restaurant, bar ... a pool is not a requirement) in 1992.

Any establishment with an unlimited license before that is exempt.
Vegas World would have been exempt.
I don't want to take too much time on it, but I don't know if Vegas World had to meet the definition of a Resort Hotel after 1991, which did require 24 hour dining.

"NRS 463.01865  “Resort hotel” defined.  “Resort hotel” means any building or group of buildings that is maintained as and held out to the public to be a hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished to the transient public and that has:

1.  In a county whose population:

(a) Is 700,000 or more, more than 200 rooms available for sleeping accommodations; or

(b) Is 100,000 or more and less than 700,000, more than 300 rooms available for sleeping accommodations;

2.  At least one bar with permanent seating capacity for more than 30 patrons that serves alcoholic beverages sold by the drink for consumption on the premises;

3.  At least one restaurant with permanent seating capacity for more than 60 patrons that is open to the public 24 hours each day and 7 days each week; and

4.  A gaming area within the building or group of buildings"

Sometimes a particular licensee might have to meet negotiated conditions. (I think my recollection of some requirement of an amenity, might have been a negotiated condition for a resort hotel I was counsel for around 1991. Among other conditions were GCB appointment of a outside representative who held regular review meetings with the management and owners. The subject of some amenity being required, perhaps as a condition of deeming the premises suitable, did get discussed, and the provision of a swimming pool , with an adjacent rose garden, was a satisfactory answer.

I have no special knowledge of whether Vegas World was "grandfathered in" with respect to the statutory 24/7 restaurant requirement,; a 24/7 restaurant could have been a condition on keeping its specific license ,(perhaps related to a 1991 negotiated resolution of some other matter that threatened its gaming license, like the prepaid vacation package sales issues) Cf. https://www.newspapers.com/clip/9618...zette-journal/

fwiw, this basically predated any Coronavirus las Vegas issues , the topic of this thread, by almost 30 years.

Last edited by Gzesh; 05-31-2020 at 12:14 AM.
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05-31-2020 , 02:34 AM
if protesters burn down the city will that delay the reopening?
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05-31-2020 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DefNotRsigley
if protesters burn down the city will that delay the reopening?
yeah you can pretty much lock this thread up...

this ruse is done and we are on to the next one....
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05-31-2020 , 02:52 AM
They were outside my window on Dean Martin for most of the night, but there's also a big downtown protest going on where they're breaking stuff. So maybe only downtown will get shut down.
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05-31-2020 , 05:34 AM
Does Vegas have pumper trucks with water cannons?
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05-31-2020 , 11:07 AM
They looted a pawn shop downtown last night.

How have we all survived without 24/7 Covid-19 coverage the last 2 days, somehow they aren't talking about this now.

For the most part the Las Vegas protests have bee semi peaceful. The Gov called in the national guard to Reno last night when it was getting out of hand.
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05-31-2020 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
They looted a pawn shop downtown last night.

How have we all survived without 24/7 Covid-19 coverage the last 2 days, somehow they aren't talking about this now.

For the most part the Las Vegas protests have bee semi peaceful. The Gov called in the national guard to Reno last night when it was getting out of hand.
people were catching onto the scam and now they need another one....

it's funny how the media just days ago would show a crowd of people and rip into them about social distancing and CORONA CORONA CORONA....

business owners were getting arrested trying to cut hair.....

now when they show the crowds 'protesting' it isn't even brought up...

poof like a fart in the wind...

enjoy this clown world...
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05-31-2020 , 04:38 PM
Also, the media will never call it what it is - riots.
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05-31-2020 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Also, the media will never call it what it is - riots.
Not true at all. A simple google search using just the word riots shows many pages full of media coverage that expressly uses the word riots.

https://www.google.com/search?q=riot...&bih=866&dpr=1
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05-31-2020 , 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cantrunworse
people were catching onto the scam and now they need another one....

it's funny how the media just days ago would show a crowd of people and rip into them about social distancing and CORONA CORONA CORONA....

business owners were getting arrested trying to cut hair.....

now when they show the crowds 'protesting' it isn't even brought up...

poof like a fart in the wind...

enjoy this clown world...
Not true at all. A simple google search using the words protests coronavirus shows many pages full of media coverage that expressly focuses on the issue of protest crowds potentially affecting an increase in covid-19 cases.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=12....0.vuH_KU0GnjY
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05-31-2020 , 06:27 PM
The above 2 examples show just how biased and misinformed people can be with their oversimplified, polarized views that have little to no basis in fact. 2 people made claims that were easily debunked by the simplest of research.
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05-31-2020 , 07:30 PM
I don’t recall hearing anything about the virus when I saw the riots on tv. So I was surprised to see that many links with articles about it.
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05-31-2020 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I don’t recall hearing anything about the virus when I saw the riots on tv. So I was surprised to see that many links with articles about it.
Articles, yes, television focus, no.

Fwiw, I do not recall much coverage on television of the demonstrations on the Strip and downtown in Las Vegas.

The virus is not a good visual. I swear the information value of showing footage of the same car burn for like an hour and then get put out added next to nothing of information to the overall reporting but clearly was some producer's priority to keep the shot onscreen cause, you know, its burning.All that time showing the same burning car was dead air.

The continual focus on what windows were broken near CNN headquarters also gave a pretty narrow perspective to the overall riots story.

The demonstration in Lafayette Park, across from the White house made for better television, and was important news that was clearly going to influence the attitude of the President, and have an impact on his reactions to the nationwide issues.

(Also, among the most interesting footage I saw was the live reporting by CNN's Ali Velshi, while he was getting shot at by police with rubber bullets. No doubt, you could see the police taking aim right at the CNN crew and firing. To his credit Velshi stuck in there and noted that the protestors near him had made no provocations. )
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05-31-2020 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
I don’t recall hearing anything about the virus when I saw the riots on tv. So I was surprised to see that many links with articles about it.
No doubt. When people were protesting around state capitals about stay at home orders, all the leftist media would talk about is how they are all spreading the disease and putting everybody else in danger. You would go to Reddit's front page and see link after link about that and some poor girl in Texas who opened her hair salon that they were harassing. Now you don't hear a peep about the disease spreading. Funny how that works.
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05-31-2020 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Also, among the most interesting footage I saw was the live reporting by CNN's Ali Velshi, while he was getting shot at by police with rubber bullets.
Sounds like you haven't watched any of the actual interesting footage at all.
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