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07-27-2021 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by astrobel
You sir make too much sense for this crowd
I just want people to get along, and at least ATTEMPT to see the other side. We don't need to agree. But treat every human with decency, even when you think their opinions are crazy.

Liberals used to be very good at that. Not so much anymore. If the people posting here who are pushing back on my views are teenagers then I totally understand where they're coming from. I had some elements of militant tribalism when I was 16 too. I get it.

But if you're a middle-aged man and you think half of America is really a threat to your safety just because they voted for a political candidate that you personally find abhorrent, then it's really way past time to look in the mirror. A little humility and self-awareness goes a long way. We're not as smart as we think we are. Just because the answer to nearly every question on earth can be Googled within five seconds does not make us wise.

Turn off the MSNBC, the Fox News, and the CNN. For a long time. Close out the twitter feeds on your cell phone. Go at least two weeks without looking at any news about anything. Empty the poison from your mind. I know no one will take my advice, but it really is healthy. And healthy people affect others around them in a positive way.

Kindness spreads like a virus. But right now we're spreading the virus of cruelty and exclusion.

You want to do some good for the world? It starts with each one of us being less of a lunatic. I lived for many years in urban Massachusetts and then subsequently for many years in rural Georgia. Those are two of the most extreme regions on the political spectrum in the USA. So I can assure you, having gotten to know both communities very well, there are plenty of decent folks everywhere you go. On the left and on the right. In the bluest of the blue places in America, and also in the reddest of the red. They just all really struggle to get outside their own small circle, and escape the propaganda and the groupthink that their preferred media outlets feed them.

We all create our own truth and then we surround ourselves with people who strictly adhere to those same beliefs. That's the unhealthiest, least productive way to live. Try to do the opposite. Spend time around people who make you feel uncomfortable. And if that step's too hard at first, then spend a lot of time alone, in quiet reflection. Unplugged.

Bringing this all back to poker... it will help your poker game too. Maybe not so much online, but it will certainly help your live poker skills. Being able to relate to every other person at the table is really a bigger advantage than you might think.

So if you're not really interested in being a kinder, more tolerant human, than at least do it for your hourly winrate.

I wasn't born with any of these skills and I'm not enlightened. Over many years, I just put in the work. Some of you may honestly think you've put in the work too, but judging from some of the posts I've read on here in the last few pages, I can assure you that you haven't.

None of us will ever fully escape the words we've written online. They're a permanent record of our character, in that particular moment. For all to see. So... learn from those words. And get better in the next moment.
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07-27-2021 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
Freedumb does NOT apply in a national emergency.

Your solution would work if people were smart and responsible. You'd only have to point out the danger that being unvaccinated poses, and people would get the shot or at least mask up. But half of the country apparently is neither smart nor responsible.

I go even further, and looking at the data, a Vegas visit poses a non-negligible risk to me and the people I will encounter, even though I'm vaccinated. Say I have a 5% chance of being infected (which is in line with the reported 95% effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine). That was with the Alpha variant. The news is that the Delta variant is more than twice as transmissible. So, now, I have an over 10% chance...? And what about the chances of my infecting others? And of course, the risk escalates when I mingle with large crowds.

So I really can't get behind the idea of people rushing into Vegas, vaccinated or not, even if they ARE flapping their arms joyfully and exercising their freedumb. Get the shot, people. THEN come on in and party hearty.
But that's not what that means.
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07-27-2021 , 07:53 PM
ITT we learn that Gzesh was Ace Rothstein's lawyer.
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07-27-2021 , 07:55 PM
Mask mandate indoors starting Friday
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07-27-2021 , 08:30 PM
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07-27-2021 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wsopfinaltable
LVL Covid/Mask/Politics Containment Thread sisolak and this new mask mandate
He's in a predicament, given the rapid surge in cases locally. I don't think he'd be taking this action if he felt like he had any other choice.

If the USA virus hot spots follow the patterns of some European countries, the situation will be much improved in about three weeks and we can resume the previous guidance.

Of course, my optimism has proven to be foolish time and time again since March 2020. So I think we can safely predict that I'm going to be wrong.

Maybe this variant is so contagious that it will just flow through a large portion of the population quickly, mask or no mask, vaccine or no vaccine, and we really do employ the "rip it off like a band-aid" method and just get all of this unpleasantness over with at once, whether we want it or not.
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07-27-2021 , 09:29 PM
Not that difficult for him, it is all in the post I made early today. He follows CDC guidelines and they said what to do and Clark County is a hot spot.
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07-27-2021 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TrueAlbatross
If the USA virus hot spots follow the patterns of some European countries, the situation will be much improved in about three weeks and we can resume the previous guidance.
Chris Hayes was 'hopeful' last night that we would follow the pattern of the UK, where the numbers are steadily declining and supposedly we follow them by a few weeks.

BUT here's a potential problem with this theory: They are ~70% vaccinated and we are ~50% and I believe even less in NV

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07-27-2021 , 11:37 PM
First mask mandate hit Vegas in June 2020.

13 months later we are back at that same point.

New mask mandate goes into effect at the end of July 2021.

It's deja vu all over again.

I hope that getting a taste of conventions and Vegas returning back to normal was enough to make people realize that we need to get past covid ASAP even if it requires a mask and vaccine. The next month or so will determine if we go right back to 2020 or if we hold steady and maybe get past this second resurgence with less damage.
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07-28-2021 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SplawnDarts
Prior to all this it was pretty much agreed upon among public health researchers that quarantine of healthy individuals (as opposed to medical isolation of the sick) had rapidly diminishing benefits and rapidly rising costs as time went on, and was thus rarely useful.

Then it became politically necessary to ignore that knowledge since there was an election coming up. The rest is history...

Notably, the top US states in terms of per-capita COVID deaths are New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts. All soundly Democrat controlled with the associated masks, lock-downs, and hand wringing. Meanwhile much more open states like Florida and Texas did much better.

The reality is that there is no clear correlation between any mitigation other than vaccination and reducing deaths. Nothing else worked particularly well.
Both Florida and Texas undercounted Covid cases and deaths for political reasons, so your comment is trash.

https://amp.miamiherald.com/opinion/...249701743.html

https://www.texasobserver.org/how-fl...uncounted/amp/
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07-28-2021 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OFC_OMG
Chris Hayes was 'hopeful' last night that we would follow the pattern of the UK, where the numbers are steadily declining and supposedly we follow them by a few weeks.

BUT here's a potential problem with this theory: They are ~70% vaccinated and we are ~50% and I believe even less in NV
i believe 45%~ as of two weeks ago. think this will have a pretty rapid snowball effect. clubs gone, other business within casino go to reduced hours, close due to being unable to sustain themselves, event cancellations, etc

vaccine hesitation is (mostly) a uniquely american problem. others countries rates are improving as their vaccination rates climb steadily because inaccessibility is a thing in other countries. if hesitancy is not addressed, vaccinations are unlikely to climb to sufficient levels. as seen in the last year, the solutions to problems dont take precedent over whining about them and doing what you've always done anyway. if restrictions in media are reported without sufficient encouragement to aiding in the solution, we're just gonna get a few more months of people being dicks to each other at costco

very bad time for a change like this as well as if things don't improve quickly it's very likely decisions made will err towards the cautious side with summer ending

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07-28-2021 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by astrobel
Of course you had already written me off and been rude to me on a couple of recent replies, I assume due to the fact I've chosen to go for natural immunity and not taken the vaccine.
No, you don't really get it. I doubt that anyone gives a flying farkle about whether you've taken the vaccine or not, or whether you live to be 105 or croak next week for that matter. The reason people react negatively to you is that you believe in anti-science nonsense such as "natural immunity," which is hogwash. Of course, you could simply be manufacturing justifications for your own foolish behavior. You could similarly justify driving the wrong way on a one-way street because you have "natural immunity" to auto accidents--because you haven't had one yet!

Such beliefs, of course, are yours to cherish and even take down to your basement and fondle occasionally. What's repulsive is that unfortunately, in our often quite obtuse country, we have people who are actively spreading disinformation about covid and vaccines, and because they've figured out how to make themselves heard, people are resisting vaccinations--for a variety of idiotic reasons--and many are being hospitalized and dying as a result.

So most of us don't want to hear some chest-thumping braggart trying to justify why he won't take a simple and absurdly easy step to protect himself from something that might be a Chinese hoax but somehow, has killed over four million people. We get that garbage from Fox News and the disciples of the Dear Orange Leader all the time. And it causes active harm.
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07-28-2021 , 03:16 AM
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Of course, he knew that if and when he would have to do the right thing and save lives, people would call him every name in the book and scream for his immediate removal from office and execution.

But despite people like you, he's doing his job and keeping the people of his state safe. He's not like those Republican governors (Texas and Florida come immediately to mind) who tried to curry favor with the voters by letting them die.

I know that some folks consider wearing a mask to be existentially agonizing and an unforgivable infringement on their freedumb, but I did it for over a year and I can do it again. My head never exploded.
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07-28-2021 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mrducks
The next month or so will determine if we go right back to 2020 or if we hold steady and maybe get past this second resurgence with less damage.
This second (or is it the ninth?) phase/surge of Covid probably won't be as bad, for the simple reason that at least we have half the population vaccinated.

But look on the bright side: at this point, it's only killing stupid people. It's rather gratifying to see such people voluntarily climbing out of the gene pool.

The danger, of course, is that the Omega variant or whatever might possess the ability to burn right through the protection that the vaccines are presently providing, and then we would be well and truly farkled.
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07-28-2021 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TrueAlbatross

Most Americans think vaccines are a good idea. Including this vaccine. What many reasonable Americans object to is forcing reluctant folks to take an emergency use treatment against their will. Maybe that's how things are done in China. That is not how things are done here.
Most? Nope.
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07-28-2021 , 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
This second (or is it the ninth?) phase/surge of Covid probably won't be as bad, for the simple reason that at least we have half the population vaccinated.

But look on the bright side: at this point, it's only killing stupid people. It's rather gratifying to see such people voluntarily climbing out of the gene pool.

The danger, of course, is that the Omega variant or whatever might possess the ability to burn right through the protection that the vaccines are presently providing, and then we would be well and truly farkled.
Based on a story I read about Utah, it is not killing only stupid people if your definition of stupid people is the unvaccinated. The story said 99% of the deaths were among unvaccinated people which means even vaccinated people are dying.
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07-28-2021 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
Based on a story I read about Utah, it is not killing only stupid people if your definition of stupid people is the unvaccinated. The story said 99% of the deaths were among unvaccinated people which means even vaccinated people are dying.
Yes, I should have said "with a few exceptions"; the death rate is actually about 99.5% vaccinated nationwide, last time I heard.

And not taking a simple, easy, and free step to protect yourself from a deadly disease is indeed the very definition of stupid. Many stupid people have indeed been vaccinated. But every unvaccinated person is stupid.
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07-28-2021 , 01:01 PM
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ITT we learn that Gzesh was Ace Rothstein's lawyer.
lol, Never even met Frank Rosenthal..... back in those days (1975 or so), I was not yet a lawyer.

(I did fly out to Las Vegas from Chicago back then on behalf of the Teamsters' CS Pension Funds, but not as a lawyer. I even played some poker at the Stardust, the hotel fictionalized in Casino as the Tangiers.)

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07-28-2021 , 03:26 PM
I stand by my statement
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07-28-2021 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
Of course, he knew that if and when he would have to do the right thing and save lives, people would call him every name in the book and scream for his immediate removal from office and execution.

But despite people like you, he's doing his job and keeping the people of his state safe. He's not like those Republican governors (Texas and Florida come immediately to mind) who tried to curry favor with the voters by letting them die.

I know that some folks consider wearing a mask to be existentially agonizing and an unforgivable infringement on their freedumb, but I did it for over a year and I can do it again. My head never exploded.
Texas and Florida are below the average death rate per capita in the US. Nevada is higher then those 2 places.
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07-28-2021 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WiCane
Texas and Florida are below the average death rate per capita in the US. Nevada is higher then those 2 places.
Deaths per 100,000 persons: Nevada = 190. Texas = 183. Florida = 180. National average = 185. Not a lot of significant difference among all four figures.
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07-29-2021 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
Deaths per 100,000 persons: Nevada = 190. Texas = 183. Florida = 180. National average = 185. Not a lot of significant difference among all four figures.
One might think government mandates are irrelevant. If such thoughts were legal.
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07-30-2021 , 07:02 AM
Freedom from COVID restrictions and sickness will be found with herd immunity dependent on vaccination. Every freedom lover is a hypocrite if they don't themselves get vaccinated or if vaccinated don't fully support getting them into the unvaccinated.

From a Republican appointee:
Trump’s Surgeon General on popular anti-vax argument: 'Freedom argument is bunk'

Former Surgeon General under President Trump, Dr. Jerome Adams appeared on Cuomo Prime Time Thursday, where he ripped to shreds a popular argument among many unvaccinated Americans. As the Delta variant spreads and COVID cases are once again surging, mask mandates are on the rise, and some companies are requiring employees to get vaccinated, many among the unvaccinated community say it’s a matter of personal freedom. But Adams doesn’t see it that way.

“We need to help people understand that this freedom argument is bunk. I mean, at the end of the day, we are losing freedoms because people are unvaccinated,” Adams said, soon adding, “The consequences are, as I said last week, more mitigation. And as I’m telling you this week, I’m predicting closures in the future because we are not gonna be able to reign this variant back in before we get enough spread that it’s gonna start causing closures again.”


Meanwhile, that bastion of leftist thought and policy known as Walt Disney World has now mandated masks be worn indoors at the theme park. That's how bad it's gotten in Florida.
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07-30-2021 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SurpriseBetsX
One might think government mandates are irrelevant. If such thoughts were legal.
One who's paid attention during the pandemic might think that fatality data lag 6 to 8 weeks behind new case data, and so surging new case numbers take that long to begin to contribute to the daily and weekly deaths from COVID.
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07-30-2021 , 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by madrobin
No, you don't really get it. I doubt that anyone gives a flying farkle about whether you've taken the vaccine or not, or whether you live to be 105 or croak next week for that matter. The reason people react negatively to you is that you believe in anti-science nonsense such as "natural immunity," which is hogwash. Of course, you could simply be manufacturing justifications for your own foolish behavior. You could similarly justify driving the wrong way on a one-way street because you have "natural immunity" to auto accidents--because you haven't had one yet!

Such beliefs, of course, are yours to cherish and even take down to your basement and fondle occasionally. What's repulsive is that unfortunately, in our often quite obtuse country, we have people who are actively spreading disinformation about covid and vaccines, and because they've figured out how to make themselves heard, people are resisting vaccinations--for a variety of idiotic reasons--and many are being hospitalized and dying as a result.

So most of us don't want to hear some chest-thumping braggart trying to justify why he won't take a simple and absurdly easy step to protect himself from something that might be a Chinese hoax but somehow, has killed over four million people. We get that garbage from Fox News and the disciples of the Dear Orange Leader all the time. And it causes active harm.
This.
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