So - was in Vegas a while back and lost too many $$ @ craps and unlimited Texas Hold Em. Yes - I'm the idiot who dropped $12k @ NYNY and MGM.
Was staying at NYNY and ended up having my stay comped.

When I got back I received an email from a host @ MGM - says next time I come to Vegas, free suite, limo & $300 a day comps (i.e. $900 for 3 nights).

Here's the thing - I was planning on taking my girlfriend in May for her birthday, who let's just say - doesn't approve of gambling. Would be drinks, pool, dinner maybe golf.

Could I still use the free suite and comps? I don't really care about future offers as I have no plans on coming back any time soon - my only concerns are, they'll charge me when I check out and I'll be kind of screwing the host? Part of me says - heck I've lost $12k, getting something back - it shouldn't bother me, even if the expectation is that I will gamble.

Anyone have experience with this?

Thanks

They will honor the offer even if you don't play. But you will be screwing the host, and more, you'll be screwing your comps. You say this doesn't matter to you. But perhaps when you don't marry this girl and have a girlfriend who doesn't make you feel like **** about gambling, you'll wish you hadn't burned this bridge.

ya if youre the type of dude who drops 12k over a weekend and also dates a girl who doesnt approve of gambling you need to cut bait or quit gambling. the comps are the least of your worries in the macro sense.

Appreciate the frankness - guess I asked for that...
Let's just say I typically don't drop those sort of $$ - in fact it was my first Vegas trip for over 2 years. I lost, then chased - we've all heard the story...

Maybe this is the quit gambling trips - just benefit a little from past mistakes at least...
Why Vegas? Girlfriend's sister won't stop going on about what a great time she had when she went - so girlfriend has it in her head she wants to go...

if he doesn't care about future comps then it's fine.
if it negatively impacts his host oh well too bad so sad.should he light another 12k on fire to make the host look good while he's at it? his hosts and his interests don't allign at all.he needs to look out for himself.
i mean think about it- the host is gonna kiss the ops ass, give the op things that aren't his but mgms and then if the op donks off a bunch of money again get a cut of it. why on earth should the op care about the host?his job is literally to separate the op from his money. if the op has 12k to his name and lost it all on his next trip his host would be fine with it.

as for burning the bridge-he's not actually burning it. if he decides to gamble big again at an mgm property on a future trip they'll comp his stay then too and give him more future offers.

i'm generally against significant others telling each other how to live their lives, but unless he's rich lighting 12k on fire playing nonsense carnival game should be a concern for his gf should they decide to get married one day.

op do the stone bare minimum to clear that 900 in free play and enjoy your trip.

You misunderstood my post. Possibly because you are half-literate. Probably because reading comprehension is hard and most people are stupid.

I was suggesting that the OP is in a relationship in which he is being pressured to not do something he may enjoy (gambling), and that blowing this host relationship for a non-gambling Vegas trip may seem like something he wants to do now, but in hindsight it may feel like a mistake.

I'm not suggesting that the OP has any obligation to his host, other than the general obligation of human beings to not be ****-bags and accept deals under false pretenses.

I suppose you could live your life like Borg and view everything single encounter with human beings as a transaction in which your goal is to gain the most value. But then you may end up as a guy on a poker message board with bad reading comprehension. So you'll need to make that choice.

As an aside, the idea that MLIFE will continue to comp you in the future if you no-play an offer like this is NOT necessarily true. They cut comps all the time.

And this poster's advice to you about playing through the freeplay is hilariously bad. If you are going on a vacation to Vegas with a girlfriend you actually like, and she does not approve of gambling, running this freeplay through is so -EV in life. Your potential gain is so small compared to the **** storm you will generate for yourself by doing the thing which she does not want you to do.

Poster here has provided ample evidence of bad life skills. Do not listen to him. Anyone who has had a significant other who detests a vice should know the fury that will follow if they indulge that vice on vacation (and on her birthday trip, no less).

If you're going to go with her, don't gamble. Understand this will probably cost you future value from MLIFE and burn your relationship with this very generous host. Make sure this is actually alright with you and not that you're just doing it because this particular girlfriend has a tight hold on your balls. If and when you break up, you might regret having blown through these comps.

As an aside, it will be a cheap vacation. So, knowing what you're giving up, enjoy yourself.

Is it even $900 in free play? I don't have a lot of comped-after-blowing-$12K experience, but wouldn't that just be $300 a day for anything, like meals, spa, cabana, etc.?

It sounds like the previous visit was an expensive aberration for the OP, so it's not like that host relationship wouldn't be tested anyway, and that comp level would be fairly short-lived.

I'm on the side of being fine with getting some of that loss back with a nice weekend, and not caring about the host.

Take the offer every day and twice on Sunday. You should not worry at all about the host. As stated above, his job is to separate you and your money. Which is why he/MGM is offering you free stuff. It’s all part of the game. Sometimes they win, which they already did for 12k, and sometimes you do. Like taking this offer and not gambling. Seriously, you should not give a eff about MGM or the host.

Actually you're the one with bad life skills.
Casinos reneg on promotions all the time.Look at what tr did to people earning diamond this year.
MGM started this resort fee nonsense and those fees were originally buried or not even listed when you booked the room
Casinos cancel promos all the time when they were +ev for the players but the casinos were too dumb to realize it
They promote something as an all day or all week promo,realize they ****ed up and cancle it.Of course it's legal since they bury some fine print about having the right to do so in the terms and conditions.

Casinos do things under false pretenses all the time
They love to advertise their big winners but they kick you out if you have a brain

Not playing thru the free play is hilariously bad.A free 900 is a free 900 (it's worth a little less depending on the exact offer but still the point stands)

I don't treat every single interaction in life as a way to gain the most while ****ing people over. I give money to charity,I've given money to random people to buy food,if I get too much change in a store I return it,I've returned wallets and iPhones I found in the street and would not take a reward.Ive told people in a poker game they put too much in the pot against me when they have.ive corrected poker players who give me too much money making change.

Your assumptions about me are absolutely assasaine.

However if I can beat casino at their own game do it every single time.
Wait until I post what I've done the last 4 days to a casino with a flawed table game once that opportunity has dried up (which it will shortly,it's already gotten a lot worse)
If you think 900 is bad what I've taken from them will make you sick.


The host's job is to be disingenuous and pretend he's rooting for his players.The casinos give out these comps to try and take advantage of people.You don't have to give them what they want. Should card counters and other advantage players tell the casinos what they're doing or turn down huge comps bc they're accepted under false pretenses as well?

I've no played casinos before on their offers. depending how good their computer system is offers dry up,the question is how long does it it's all a game in the end.

And yes if he no plays them his offers will go to nothing soon.
But if he plays there again in the future he will start getting offers again.He won't be scarred for life.

Different casinos work off of different rolling periods.Most are six months or a year.i know total regards is six.months,I'm not sure about MGM.

I didn't misunderstand your post and I'm not half literate.Youre just a moron who makes terrible assumptions and you're foolish enough not to take advantage of unethical scum like casinos when given the chance.To top it off the op earned his comps.Theyre not giving him.the 900 to be nice.
They're giving it to him trying to lure him to the tables so he pisses away another 12k. And he should be worried about taking advantage of them or feel bad? What a joke.

I didn't realize this would be such a controversial subject - I do appreciate everyones feedback.

Just to be 100% clear - this is for comps (not free play).

I actually have other Mlife offers - stay at hotel $150 in comps (for 3 days) (standard automated MLife offer - not through a host).

Yes - it was a very bad weekend - one I'm not likely to repeat (lesson learned and all that) - previously only ever played poker and maybe won / loss $1k over a weekend in pit games...

This one hurts - big time...

Honestly, it’s a no brained in my opinion. Your gf doesn’t approve of gambling, but wants to go experience the other side of Vegas due to her sister talking about it. You have a comped suite and limo, and $300 a day to spend. I mean I don’t know how you could show your gf a better time in Vegas.

I was comped a room last year and booked it fully knowing I wasn’t going to gamble much at all. I literally played 5 hands of bj, won $50, and didn’t gamble anymore. I still get offers from them for free nights. Again, it’s all part of the game. The difference is, this time. You actually are guaranteed to come out on top.

If you have an automated offer that is anywhere close to the host offer, I would take this instead. No one cares if you no-play this offer, and honestly you'll probably keep getting offers for many months in the future based on the one trip even if you no-play several times.

If you no-play a host offer you will have burned the bridge. There's also a chance they might try to might renege at the end (you should ask about whether the offer is conditional on play).

pretty much these. even if you did care about future offers but just didn't want to gamble this trip, answer still the same.

Hurt or not, your goal in this thread is to figure out how to maximize your assets. Visit a therapist if you can't shake the 12k loss.

What everyone agrees is that if you accept the room/comps and then don't play, you'll lose future offers.

There are three areas of disagreement outside of that, in decreasing order of importancr:

1. If you don't take the offer, will it be saved for the future? This is a tough question and probably the most important in terms of value.

2. Do you care about the host? I doubt any of us care-care about the host, but it actually tangles with (1) - your ability to get future offers is, in large part, tied to your ability to manage your host. Treating people like they're gonna screw you so you might as well screw them first falls outside the "general obligation of human beings not to be ****bags" umbrella referenced above.

3. How much do you care about your girlfriend? She doesn't like gambling and unless she's an idiot she's going to realize that the suite and the casino host who follows you around like a puppy aren't normal. If you have other offers commesurate with what you think she expects your gambling level to be, that seems like it's a really low cost way to maintain the longevity of your Vegas trips.

As for me, personally and across a broad range of situations, I have generally gotten the best value for being direct. I would call the host and explain that I'm taking a trip with a girlfriend and don't want to gamble much, would it be a problem if this stayed off the radar to preserve my future offers? While I've never had a casino host, in general if you ask someone if there will be a problem, they're going to answer truthfully. Then, it'll be up to your negotiation skills to try to find the win-win.

If you no play them or low play them, they may go back on your offer - typically when they do this, they still give you the room for free, but they stick you with any other charges, so you’d be on the hook for the $300 per night of F&B. It doesn’t happen often, but it definitely can happen and there’s usually fine print about how any offer is explicitly contingent on you maintaining previous levels of play.

If it gets to that point, your best bet is to tell the host you do two types of trips: solo degen weekends, or best behavior with the wife (not gf) in tow. Then tell him that if he wants your business for the degen trips, he has to comp the occasional wife trip too. This should at least keep him from punishing you for the low play on this trip, but obviously wouldn’t work repeatedly


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Holy crap, the poor op just mentions he has a girlfriend and this forum has them off getting married and him getting browbeaten into never gambling again. Lots of people have girlfriends they know they're never going to marry.

the correct move here is to NOT book through your host. Log in to MLife, you will still get free rooms at most MLife props. That way, you get the room paid for and your GF is none the wiser. Book a limo yourself from presidential for $80 and you can say you footed the bill for the hotel as well. That way you dont **** a host over. What good is freeplay if youre not going to gamble anyways?

Yes you will **** yourself on future comps, but who cares? Besides Aria, which you probably wont be comped in May anyways, youre not missing much

It isn’t free play. It’s $900 in comps.

The OP has another offer, non-host, for the room but no limo and significantly less in comps. So the question in how much the $750 plus limo is worth to the OP.

Took 6 post for this thread to turn rude.

Good to see the attitude from the LVL Vlog thread hasn't spilled over and poisoned other threads in LVL whatsoever!

To answer your question do what Canoe said... except I'm still fond of rooms at Bellagio that are in the main tower facing the fountains I'm a sucker for it

Never stayed at the B but Ive never won in their casino either. I'll enjoy the fountains from my Cosmo terrace tyvm

Do you think he shouldn't take the offer because it would be "screwing over" a host?

No I think he should skip the offer because he’s screwing himself over. If you roll in to town and no play an offer that big you’re considered a tourist the rest of your life. If you no play a comped room you can bounce back. I wouldn’t care about screwing over a host in the personal relationship sense, I worry about screwing the host over because it affects me.


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Ahh ok, that makes sense. I do believe he said that he doesn't care about future offers, so if that is the case it shouldn't really matter right?

As said though, he could talk to the host and let him know this trip is about the GF and not gambling and see what he can do for him. I think this isn't a bad option especially if it keeps a big offer in tact for a future solo/guys trip.

A guy who drops 12k in a weekend cares about future offers, even if he doesn’t admit it.

Never tell a host you plan to no play them. No good can come if it. If that host is tied to OPs MLife number, that host could manipulate his account to **** op over. I don’t want to be long winded but if OP gets a $300 per night room comped that’s an expected Theo of around $100 per night the host could have that Theo factored in to quarterly bonuses and they don’t like that


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OP..let us know which path you choose and how it all works out. I'm curious on this one.