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Again, OP admits that future offers aren’t important to him. Even if takes all the comps and doesn’t gamble, he could still get more offers. Also, if he wants to take a degen trip in the future he can call the/a host and maybe still get something. If he doesn’t he can always go to a different property and talk with a host about what he plans to do and see what offers he could get.

I mean what is a one off trip really worth in comps? 1-2 k maybe? I think he would give up 1-2k in offers to not degen off 12k again.

If he was a regular, like several of you are, I can see why not to screw the host, but he’s not. So the value of future offers is minimal to him.

If you want to argue "burn the bridge now because you're going to drop way more money than you intend to," that's fine, but up until now most if not all of the arguments centered around how to screw the host the hardest.

And the way to do that is to maximize the amount of time he/she thinks you're a whale.

If you actually are a whale, then obviously the game is different. If you're going to consider money you may degen off, then the concept of declining the offer even if you weren't with a girlfriend has to be considered.

it's really screw the casino than screw the host.
the host is just collateral damage.

ops concern was really no playing them and getting stuck with a bill which isn't gonna happen.

Screw the host??? Who gives a **** about the host or the property. You think if he degens off every penny he has they give two ****s? Come on man. Why would he pass on getting a free room, limo, and $300 day comps to impress his gf and instead come back with his buddies only to get drinks and food comped for them. Which by the way will go away when they realize he's a $25 Hand or less player. He doesn't care about comps because he doesn't usually play high enough to get comps. Let me him maximize his enjoyment with his gf and not worry about saving them.

You should understand this about the calculation of your worth as a player: there are two metrics, theoretical loss and actual loss. Many properties will take half of your average daily loss or your actual theoretical loss and use that as a baseline for offers, so for example, someone who lost 12k over 2 nights might see a value of $3000/day, so they are willing to give $450 for that person to walk in the door and a free hotel room or dinner. Most people who play low house edge games who have a big loss usually are comped off the losses, because the theo generated by .25% HA blackjack is really worthless in comparison.

The next time you come in and have a big win there, your comps will dry up anyways. Might as well use them, stiff them, and go play at another chain next time you come in and start the process all over again. There are enough places in Vegas that you can play at a different chain each trip or every other trip and generate similar offers while giving little-no action to the place where you are staying. Everything is generated by computer and there is very little discretion at your level of play, while it's a huge amount of money, the strip LV casinos are courting 50k-100k level players and don't have the time to give you much personal attention.

comps don't dry up for winning in a lot of cases unless the casino is run by total morons.the bolded is not true at all.

go drop 12k on 2 hands of blackjack and you're not getting 450 a day in comps. do it playing a bunch of hours over 2 days with a very high adt and then maybe you''ll hit that number. but it absolutely matters HOW you dropped that number as it should.if you get absolutely buried quick and the pit has some discretion you'll might do a little better than adt but not by much.

the casino doesn't even use that .25% as the number used to calculate adt. some casinos have different skill ratings for players (ie some play perfect basic strategy, some play at a huge disadvantage because they play horribly) and your adt would be based off of a number based on those ratings but something like .25% is never the default.

basically none of what you said is true.adt is what matters in almost every case save for massive whales.

this however "Might as well use them, stiff them, and go play at another chain next time you come in and start the process all over again. There are enough places in Vegas that you can play at a different chain each trip or every other trip and generate similar offers while giving little-no action to the place where you are staying."i agree with.

its not like you make one trip where you don't gamble much and all of a sudden all of your future offers disappear. i've been twice now where i've done MINIMAL pit games and i am still getting offers.

Well when life kicks you in the b@lls - it kicks you in the b@lls...

Found out a while back - my company is being sold, and though I'm getting a nice offer to see it through to the end - will be unemployed at end of June - let's just say when the GF found out, our relationship didn't strengthen out of adversity... Probably a good thing.

The good news - I'm heading out on Sun AM, coming back on Tues night, both flights will have an empty seat next to me - so that's a win!

I'm staying at MGM and have been comped free tickets to KA - plus $900 in comps. I explained situation to the host - he was like "gamble what you feel comfortable gambling". Likely to hit a couple of tournaments at Aria and limiting myself to $4k degen budget.

Probably bring my golf clubs - so if anyone is up for golfing Sun after 12 or Mon / Tues let me know, was going to look on GolfNow.

Questions for forum -
1. I have two tickets to KA - What would you do?
- Go On your own?
- Give them away to some couple who look happy?
- Try and meet someone at a bar and hope she's not a hooker, or if she is, doesn't charge by the hour
- Tell box office you don't need them

2. How would you spend $900 in comps?? I can use at any MLife property - was thinking the real high-end places would be wasted on me on my own.

3. I have about $150 in Express comps - can I use them to pay daily fee / tips - if not covered by the $900 comp at check out?

All the best...

Peter,

Go to l’atelier robuchon at the mgm. Expensive and a great place to eat solo.

Steakhouse like craftsteak or prime or jean Georges or stripsteak.

I haven’t been, but carbone at aria for expensive Italian is supposed to be a great place to have a meal at the bar.

That’s a big chunk of your comps in 3 meals.

Edit: more bad news. When ticket holder doesn’t check in, that airplane seat gets released for someone else to sit in even if it has been paid for...

Did you lose the free limo situation? I didn’t see anything about that in the most recent post. Even rolling solo you need limos

If you don't mind a follow-up question. What exactly was her problem (loaded question; i know). Did she think you should start looking for another job right away and not see it out to the end? Or was just totally lacking any empathy and blaming you for the company you work for being sold? Regardless, shes a gf, not a wife; glad she showed her true colors sooner; rather than later.

Why not meet someone on a dating app?

Before I met my current gf, I would go on multiple dates via Tinder or Bumble every time I visited Vegas, and it was a great way to check out restaurants or shows I would never have tried by myself.

Yeah there's no chance that OP is an unreliable narrator with this story.

You paid for $100 tickets for someone you’d probably never see again?

Pretty standard first date price IMO. If you meet at girl at the club you’ll spend far more than that buying her $15 drinks in hopes of sexy time. I’d rather pony up the $100 and know at worst I had a good meal or saw a show

If it was worth it for him to go places he otherwise wouldn't go, why not?

Add Bavette's to the steakhouse list. That's a $150 meal if you do it right.

Hit the spa - take care of yourself first man. I used $300 in comps at the Cosmo last week to indulge in a facial and a peticure (I’m recovering from a shoulder/neck issue so no massages for me right now but if you can def get a massage.)

I always thought the spa was sort of a waste of time in my 20s but it’s a great experience and if you’re not paying for it in cash it’s even better. (Tips will likely not be covered by comps for food or spa just FYI)

Most of the shows I've seen were comped in one way or another, like OP.
But for drinks and (sometimes) dinner, sure.

Free limo to and from airport was still available - I haven't booked it yet as I will likely rent a car to go and play golf.

I don't mind - you don't know me or my ex GF and I'll reveal all when my 7 2 suited cracks Aces at a table we're sharing...

It may not seem obvious - particularly as I'm seeking advice from a bunch of poker geeks I've never met - I'm 51 years old, at some stage you kind of hope for the best in everyone. She's a realtor and in that industry you either know a lot of people or hustle - she saw it as a ladies club that met every now and then and went to the gym etc... In the two years I've been with her - I think she has sold 2 houses...

Anyway - I could see I was enabling all of this and to be fair - I could afford to, that may not be the case post-June, so I started pointing out that maybe she needed to focus on work a little more instead of relying on me etc...

She just had a sense of entitlement that I enabled - when I stopped enabling, it became an issue..

I'm 51 - I wouldn't know which way to swipe, and given my age - I suspect most women wouldn't be swiping in my favor :-)

Thanks for all the food recommendations...

Steak - yes, was on the list - I've done Craftsteak thought it was "meh" so may try to the one at Aria - only thing that pisses me off is they don't do individual sides - not that I should care if I'm comped.

l’atelier robuchon is closed Sunday / Monday - I may do it if i have comps before the flight...

Like the idea of the spa - never had a massage - either happy ending or not :-)

I just want to point out how weird I think it is that you lump all of two plus two as poker geeks. Joking I assume but way to show your age. This isn’t the 70s where you’re either a nerd or a jock. Times have changed. You should too.

I didn't mean to offend - I guess I use the term geeks to identify something you are into - I'm a poker geek as well as golf geek - I guess "poker nut" would be more appropriate.