Has anyone, at any time, ever compiled and presented info on all the Vegas poker rooms' rake and jackpot drop structures? It seems to me that this is the single most important factor in deciding where to play, dwarfing all other considerations, including the supposed strength of the players.

I haven't been back to Vegas since everything reopened, but I feel certain that all the rooms that are open now have bumped up their rake. Everything else in Vegas has zoomed skyward in price. Why should poker be any different?

Another very valuable set of information would be what jackpot drops go to--do they go to high hands, Monte Carlos, etc., or do they go to fund some freeroll tournament at the end of the month that only the locals benefit from? Also, do the rooms ever disclose how much of those jackpot drops they retain as an "administrative fee" (what horseshit!)?

My example from Before the Dark Times would be the Orleans. At one time, they had a straight 10%/max $3 rake; then they started grabbing $1 out of the first $10 to fund promos; then they upped the grab to $2; and someone told me--which I haven't verified--that it's now $4+2. So one way or another, the amount from your pots that goes down the rabbit hole has doubled.

In general, I wish people in their TRs reported what the rake was, what happens to jackpot drop money, and how quick they are to do the snatch. I won't name names, but several casinos pre-Dark Times would rake $4 or $5 from the pot before it even reached $25. Usually, the snatch would be covered up as the pot grew to the point where the $5 grab would be legitimate--but not always. I vividly remember winning a $20 pot and watching the dealer drop $2 into one box and $4 into another.

I know it's probably considered "nitty" to worry about the rake, but those $1 increases will cost you $10, $15, $20 a session, over and over and over. I'd like to see more discussion about it.

Have you tried the search function? There's a rake thread from the last year or two with some of the info you're looking for

Yes, but I assume that anything that isn't very recent is incorrect, now that the casinos have gone to full-blown gouge mode.

What I'd like to see is a website that provides this info on a going basis (though house hold on the jackpot drop probably wouldn't be available). I know that Poker Atlas purports to do that, but their info is usually out of date.

The Empire Casino in London takes 15% admin fee from the high hand drop, wonder if that's standard practice -

someone rake this thread...

One of the totally cool things about the internet is that on online forums, you often see posts with no substance other than that the poster doesn't like the existence of the thread and rather than making himself a sandwich, cleaning the kitchen, feeding the cat, burning down the local 7-11, or sticking his head in the oven, he feels compelled to share his dislike with the world.

It must be a terrible burden to consider oneself tasked with making one's disapproval known to all and sundry. The cat never gets fed.

Many joints take 20%. That was standard, for example, for the bad beat jackpots in the L.A. card barns during the last decade or so.

Amazingly, there is NO disclosure of any kind regarding how much of the jackpot drop in Vegas cardrooms is actually returned to the players. Yes, they have a cumulative jackpot fund, but that's after the admin fee or whatever they want to call it is taken out.

I guess you don't see the irony in your own post then.

There are comments from this year in the thread I saw that brought in some more updated rake info. Good luck

Since my post was a general complaint about a salient feature of the internet as opposed to a remark made in disapproval of a single post, no, I don't see the "irony," any more than I see a rabid gorilla in my fish tank (that reminds me, time to feed the little guys).

Yes, I saw it, too. But I know that the rake has been kicked up by $1 at several of the casinos mentioned. That's why I was wishing for current reports as part of TRs. You know, instead of a picture of a stack of chips or a pile of $100 bills, what was the rake, cap, jackpot drop, etc. I mean, all the pictures of the eggplant Parmesan at The Boiled Tourist are nice, but...

Vegas is currently a completely untenable destination, but I'm sure there's a feeding frenzy right now as the starving sharks (and shark wannabes) tear into the tourist shoals. My intention is to go there during WSOP time and hit all the cash games that I can. So, timely info would be useful, but I have a feeling I'll have to compile it on my own.

Rake has not increased since pre lockdown at any strip property

Any way to confirm that? Also, many Vegas poker rooms aren't on the Strip.

If you are so interested in current rake structures, why don't you just call up each room that you want to know?

Because it would take upwards of an hour to do so, and I was under the impression that there might be some website that offers this information on a current, continuously updated basis.

I also had the other info I want to know, which I doubt the poker room supervisors would tell me, as to what percentage of the jackpot drop is returned to the players.

If you are so concerned about rake and think that it's the most important factor, play at Sahara. $4 up to 10% and $1 jackpot drop. Easily the lowest rake structure in Vegas. Have fun.

And if you doubt poker room supervisors would tell you about what percentage of the jackpot drop they keep, what makes you think anyone else would/could know? Once again, why don't you call one in the daytime and ask? You seem to want to know all this info without doing any work. Plus, if you do this yourself, you will know it's accurate and up to date.

There's not that many rooms on the Strip. Can't imagine each phone call would take longer than a minute. Anyone that answers the phone will know the rake structure instantly.

I humbly chastise myself (flog, flog) for wanting to obtain information "without doing any work." How heinous of me.

And yes, I am "so concerned" about the rake. It's a major factor in whether you win or lose. I know that the studly poker geniuses here pooh-pooh the rake because with so much "dead money"(people who aren't as coruscatingly brilliant as MOI) out there, they could pay 50% with a cap of $100 and still crush the games. However, I'm jest a little ol' guy from the sticks who throws away everything but suited Aces.

All kidding aside, calling around would seem to be a good way to obtain that info, in the absence of quicker options.

If you think $5+$0 over $5+$2 is a major factor in whether you win or lose, then I'm happy you think that way. Good luck at Sahara.

So you think that the rake and jackpot drop are irrelevant, perhaps because you're a poker genius who can overcome it, no matter how much it is?

During the course of a session, you win 2-3 pots/hour. If the rake is increased by $1, that's, say, $10 a session that winds up in the house's pocket instead of yours. Multiply that by however many sessions you play in the course of a week, a month, a year. At some point, it becomes a significant amount.

Your thinking is exactly why the casinos have been able to get away with slowly jacking up the rake/drop (and the price of everything). You're like the frog in the slowly heating pot of water. Because it's incremental, you don't notice when the threshold between a beatable and an unbeatable game is crossed.

But keep on payin' that rake. If it doesn't matter to you, then hooray, or something.

What if the table with 4+0 has 8 short stacking OMCs and the table with 5+2 has 8 drunk tourists sitting 300bb deep? Where you making more money? To think you are instantly printing $10 more per hour or whatever at the 4+0 over the 5+2 is incorrect.

Also, in your initial post you ask if this has ever been done. First response is that it has been done and then you complain that it is too old of information, despite there being a thread that was started in June discussing this exactly. You ask for one thing and then move the goal posts. Now you are getting mad that not everything is being done for you. You say it would take you an hour to call poker rooms, but you have undoubtedly spent more time than that creating posts and coming up with weird responses like talking about gorillas in a fish tank.

It seems quite simple that you would be deciding to stay some place in Vegas and would just check with the poker rooms closest and maybe let that decide where you play. Otherwise, are you going to stay at Bellagio over Flamingo if their rake is lower? You can spend hundreds more on your room, but save $2 in rake, so it would be worth it. Are you going to pay $40+ round trip to taxi to The Orleans to save a few bucks in rake per hour? Are you going to walk past the Bellagio and walk all the way to Sahara to save on rake, but waste hours not sitting in a game? Not really sure what you are trying to figure out and accomplish.

Yes. The post you quoted confirmed it

How about we use this thread, the one that was created, oh about a month ago, and is still on the front page, for this topic. Thanks.

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