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Originally Posted by dietDrThunder
i was sitting in that game with you. In your OP I missed that you said 'this past November' and as I was reading it I was thinking that it was a ridiculous coincidence that I personally witnessed this exact scenario, at the Aria, in a BigO game, but it was last year.
Anyway, here are a couple of points from someone who at least some of you know personally (me), who was an objective observer and has no skin in the game. Of, and for the OP, if you doubt that I was there, I can tell you which table you were at, and which seats you and the other guy were in.
1. I was in the 1 seat, and the first swap that the OP referred to was not noticed by me, or any of the other guys on my end of the table. If the guy in the 7 seat noticed, he didnt' say anything.
2. The second time the OP referred to, when they were called out on it, it is true that a) nobody thought there was any cheating going on and b) everyone else knew that this can't happen. I actually said the words "this isn't a kitchen table game; we have to follow rules."
3. None of the players called the floor. One of the guys on your side off the table (maybe 7 seat) saw it and (as you can imagine he was surprised) said something like "Hey, you can't, like, do that!" He told the dealer, and the dealer caled the floor. At no point was any player at the table upset that is was happening, but all agreed that it had to stop for all of the obvious reasons.
4. Above, you said a few times that you weren't sure what exact rule you were breaking. Well, the floor guy told you in no uncertain terms that even though everyone agreed that there was no ill intent, that they would not allow it to continue, AND (the important part) it was a gaming violation. That means that if they do allow it, they can get in trouble.
The gaming violation comes into play because in order to spread a particular game, the casino has to define the exact rules of the game, and those rules are approved by the gaming people. Since there is no provision in the rules for swapping hole cards with your table mate in those rules, it is a gaming violation for it to happen in that game.
5. I guess I left before you got the hook, because you were both still at the table when I left. I didn't stay long, because the annoying guy in the 4 seat wanted to run every f-ing pot 3 times, then stand over the table and bark out who got which split, and was never right. I think we played like 5 hands/hour in that game. Maybe you remember me...after a few min of this I said "just so you guys know, I am 100% never running any pot I'm involved in more than once. Now I'm going to go smoke about 12 cigarettes; someone yell to me when this pot is resolved."
ANYway, you seemed like a nice enough guy, and I do not, and never did believe that you guys were cheating in any way. If you think it might help you for a random 3rd party who was there to attest to your side of the story, I'd be happy to write an email or whatever.
Hey, thanks for chiming in! I was wondering if anyone who was at the table might actually stumble upon this.
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1. I do remember you vaguely and NCJ actually stopped to talk to you for a bit if I recall correctly. The 7 seat, which would have been directly to my right definitely saw the first switch, the 6 seat did as well and the 5 seat which was Vegas P. saw it also. I know, because they made some comment along the lines of "you guys are crazy/wild" lol type of banter. I mean, I offered the switch to the 9 seat pretty openly to where the 7 and 6 were able to hear it. I'm fairly sure about all of this, but I could be slightly off and I'm not suggesting your account isn't correct.
3. Hmm, ok! I was actually fairly sure, until this point, that the 3 seat (Asian dude playing out of racks) said something like "I don't agree with this and y'all are holding up the game and I want a floor."
4. Ahhh ok, gotcha! Thanks for breaking that down! I remember the floor saying that it wasn't allowed and telling us to not do it again, but didn't know what the exact violation was.
5. Hahaha Man, the 5 seat was something else for sure! Actually forgot about that dude and his antics. I do remember something about taking an extended smoke break coming from that side of the table.
Again, thanks for coming in here and posting as you saw things unfold that night. I remember some small details a little differently, but I could easily be wrong about who called the floor. I'll try and contact the poker room manager tomorrow and see how it goes. Thanks for offering to help!